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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:13 PM
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Holy Crap!! Frank Schaeffer is breathing fire on Rachel Maddow's Show.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM by BrklynLiberal
He called the Fundamentalists the "Village Idiot" of this country and there is no way to deal with them. We have to go past them. A village does not reorganize to suit the needs of the village idiot... WOW!!! He is pissed!!!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 PM
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1. I'll cancel mine, yes I was impressed
and I just got the book for the kindle
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
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6. lol. I was coming back to do the same. You beat me to the post and to the delete.
:thumbsup: :hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
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10. No problem that kindle store is dangerous though
another book to read... I have an excuse, it is source material, really

:-)

(and it is)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:18 PM
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13. I find Amazon.com in general to be somewhat dangerous.
Anything I want, I can find there....It is amazing.
:P
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Rainngirl Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:25 PM
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25. FYI
"half.com" can be useful if you can't find it at amazon. can be CHEAP! (shipping is what costs, but not too bad)
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:29 PM
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29. i read it about a month ago. it's quite interesting, IMHO. nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 PM
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2. Quite a rant he's on
All stuff that needs to be said.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 PM
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3. That guy is PISSED!
He didn't even attempt to mince words.

"You don't rearrange the village to suit the village idiot."

I paraphrase, I think, but not by much.

The guy was DEAD RIGHT ON!

"You go past them..........."
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:34 AM
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51. He is so right! The village idiots don't care what we say or do
They can't be contained because they are off the charts.

They have done a fairly decent job of controlling the Media ~ the discussions on for all day today and all night are about Carter and
"Lil Mike Steele thoughts were on the issue.

Larry King jut did an entire hour on Racism rather than Health Care.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
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4. He was excellent! Worthy of a view when the youtube comes up. nt
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
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5. You beat me to the punch!!! Frank Schaeffer is my new God! (no pun intended)
:evilgrin:

DUDE PULLED NO PUNCHES!! I'm sure someone will have the video up within the hour!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
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9. I was standing up and applauding in front of the television!!!
I hope the video of his rant goes viral.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:41 PM
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32. I was doing the Tiger Woods fist pump, going "YEAH, YEAH!!"
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
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7. He did very well.
Calling Limbaugh and Beck "buffoons", talking about how they feed off the worst of America...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
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8. would like to see the democratic party INC adopt this view and TAKE control pls nt
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:17 PM
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11. KO and Rachel are both rocking the house tonight!
You don't run a village by catering to its idiot any more than you let your 3-year-old make the decisions in your family.

I love these two tonight. :)
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:47 AM
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60. Yes, two of the best hour of television I've seen in a long, long time
I was remarking to my wife this morning what great shows Keith and Rachel had on last night.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:17 PM
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12. WOW. What a rant.
Loved the way he pulled in the Left Behind series of books, saying these people have been left behind by science, by modernity, by sanity.....
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:18 PM
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15. He WAS great!!! His descripti8on of them standing on a hill waiting for the end was fabulous.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:29 PM
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27. and left behind by the Arts....I loved he threw that in....
I too was applauding so much I'm not sure what he said but is was all so right and necessary.
He is my hero since I first heard him.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:18 PM
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14. One of the greatest segments
EVER.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:19 PM
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16. He knows how to confront on this matter.
He is an asset, and should be commended for the statements he's making now.

I don't have cable, so I missed him, but I will seek out the video very soon.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:19 PM
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18. His pedigree is such that he can say these things and no one can accuse him
of not knowing of what he is speaking.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:29 PM
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28. Exactly!
And I appreciate what he's doing, esp in that regard.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:22 PM
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20. Do not miss it.
It is definitely a must-see. :)
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:19 PM
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17. It makes sense
don't waste your time trying to change these peoples minds. Just get on with what needs to be done.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:20 PM
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19. I think that is now true of repukes in general.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:23 PM
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21. He said it: It's a CULT
and the Republican party has become consumed.
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Rainngirl Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:23 PM
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22. Frank Schaeffer is my hero!
I can forgive his past because he's willing to speak the REAL truth now. The best thing about his being willing/able to talk about them the way no one else in the media is willing to do is that he was one of them once (never as stupid, but just as misguided because of who his dad was). Good thing he grew up and learned some critical thinking skills!

Thanks for the heads up--being on the west coast, I have time to get home and Tivo it!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:24 PM
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23. Schaeffer said he supported McCain against Bush in 2000, but was dismayed when McCain sold out to
...this Village Idiot group of religious fundamentalists when he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008. She is one of the members of this Village Idiot group. He said these people are raised to reject facts. They see themselves as left behind in regard to science, to education, to the arts... and they go stand on a hill to wait for the Rapture.


He doesn't see anyone emerging on the horizon to stand up against this idiot group of religious fundamentalists.

No one.


He says the rest of us have to pass them by and continue working at improving our world.



Frank Schaeffer, one of the founders of the Religious Right, knows of which he speaks.


Great interview with Rachel tonight.





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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:47 PM
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34. Amazing that Frank Schaeffer has almost flipped 180 from being a founder to an opponent.
I'm guessing his first thoughts when he wanted to create the movement was that it could never become so intolerant and so anti-science as it has become in recent years.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:25 PM
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24. Good way to put the teabagged into
perspective!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:27 PM
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26. Love it!!!
:D

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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:31 PM
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30. He's correct....Just ignore the fucking republican village idiots-they NEVER have anything to offer
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:07 PM by LaPera
except, HATE LIES & GREED...Fundamentalist Republican idiots bring nothing to the table except a selfish,lying, hateful pig-fest!!

That's the republican party & their ideology in a nutshell, always has been.

People now are just finally getting hip to that fact now that because the republicans have gotten so greedy & hateful shown the bullshit fundamentalist that they embrace as complete crazies, we see their true intentions and it's extreme.....Corporate fascism, imperialism & idiotic fundamentalism, i.e., fuck the people and the workers is their philosophy!!
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:33 PM
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31. That was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Awsome
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:35 PM by montanacowboy
now that's the way the Dems must think, move past the turds
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:47 PM
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33. I was sooo happy to find this thread.
Tonight on Rachel was the first time I've ever seen or heard of Mr. Schaeffer. Woweee! He was pissed, on fire, and really seemed to know what he was talking about. I hope he can get his message out to those who will listen and learn. He made sense out of a subject that really hadn't made sense, at least to me.

k&r
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:05 PM
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41. Then you must see this thread:
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:32 PM
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44. that thread you link to is a must read imo
thank you!
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:41 PM
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46. Thank you, seafan, for that thread and mention of the August 7 youtube.
I don't quite know what to say about all of this. What Mr. Schaeffer speaks of is absolutely terrifying, yet at the same time fascinating. I do believe him. I hope he keeps speaking to anyone who will listen. The man has guts and conviction, and is a true hero, IMO.

I hope he can make a difference, before it's too late......
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:41 PM
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45. I hope he gets a huge audience for his rants..
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katanalori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:52 PM
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35. Here is some frightening stuff

'Blackwater Offers Training to 'Faith Based Organizations'

"Also, let's remember that Blackwaterheaded by a man described in a sworn statement by a former employee as view himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe is itself a twisted faith-based organizationand a very violent one at that."

http://tinyurl.com/nov3hd

We ignore the Fundies at our own peril.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:07 PM
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42. Oh geez, that's some crazy right there. Imagine the implications...
This post should be an OP!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:45 PM
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48. Absolutely true.
The Christian Reconstructionists and their ilk..."The Family", "Dominionists" are not to be ignored....

Great place to check out all these "Village Idiot" types...

http://www.theocracywatch.org/
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:53 PM
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36. I so appreciate that Rachel just gives him the floor
and lets him go. Schaeffer also seems unapologetic about working from notes, and I appreciate that. He's always got his facts in order and pulls no punches when calling out the batshit crazies. Love him.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:56 PM
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37. Will watch for You Tube vid at home! Thanks!
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:02 PM
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40. Here's the vid, courtesy of fellow DU'er Turborama:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:46 PM
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49. Thanks for link. I must share this with everyone I know.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:47 AM
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52. Thanks for the cross post! That was great!!!
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:06 AM
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57. Thanks for the connection to the video.
It is scary when you see these people demonstrating. I certainly hope one of these crazy people doesn't get a chance to assassinate President Obama.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:58 PM
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38. "They dismiss fact for religious reasons!"
Guy nails it.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:01 PM
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39. It was amazing. I hit rewind and listened to it again.
K&R
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:24 PM
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43. His blog - The 9/12 Marchers and the Far Right Subversives
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:25 PM by Shallah Kali
http://frank-schaeffer.blogspot.com/2009/09/912-marcher...

Protecting Your Children From Satan

A big part of the answer to understanding the heightened climate of outright hate and fear of the "other" is the home school and Christian school movement. It is a modern incarnation of the anti-federal government ideology of earlier firebrands such as John Calhoun who was the 7th Vice President and a Southern politician in the 19th century. Calhoun embraced slavery, states' rights, limited government, and said that Americans should secede from the union if it went against their wishes. (See: "Calhoun Conservatism Raises Its Ugly Head" by Mike Lux in the Huffington Post Sept 11/09.)

In the early 1970s the evangelicals like my late father and James Dobson decided that the our society had fallen so far "away from God" and so far from "America's Christian history" that it was time to metaphorically decamp to not just another country but to another planet:. In other words virtually unnoticed by the media and mainstream political operatives, a big chunk of American society seceded from the union in all but name.

What they did is turn the white race-based in "Christian school" movement of the 1950s into a countercultural phenomena. As tens of thousands of new Christian schools opened, it was no longer just about "protecting" white kids from minorities and African-Americans. It was about protecting your children from Satan in other words the United States government's long reach through the public school system.

To protect your children from Satan -- in other words mainstream, open patriotic and pluralistic America -- you either kept them at home where mom and dad could teach the children right from wrong or send them to a cloistered private evangelical/fundamentalist school. At home or in school you used curriculum prepared by the likes of James--beat-your-child-and-dare-to-discipline-Dobson, RJ-slavery-was-a-good-thing-Rushdoony, or many and other right-wing anti-American activists. That curriculum presented "secular America" as downright evil. Hating the USA became next to godliness.


http://frank-schaeffer.blogspot.com/2009/09/912-marcher...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:49 PM
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50. Thanks for link....
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:45 PM
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47. This Witch Tips her Glass to Frank!
He rocked the house!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:48 AM
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53. thanks, saw it on the replay.
Wow. he said what I think. Only better than I could have said it.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:33 AM
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54. Diary of a surivor of a dominionist group who has written extensively on their dangers - link
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:16 AM
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55. I gave him 4 snaps in a Z formation-he nailed it!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:16 AM
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56. KO and Rachel were superb last night
Keep talking Frank

rec
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:34 AM
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58. I'm still thinking about that interview of last night
It needs to be viewed about once a week to keep up the spirit. We need to keep in mind what nutballs they are and how we do outnumber them.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:43 AM
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59. HUGE K&R
This man leaves me breathless, as I think he did Rachel. John Dean is no slouch either. How ironic we have 2 former Republicans, one a former evangelist, rallying the sane.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:17 AM
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61. to anyone familiar with the Evangelical movement - his father was a super star
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 11:23 AM by Douglas Carpenter
- probably the most important fundamentalist-Protestant theologian and scholar of the later half of the 20th century.

link to youtube interviews:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



I highly recommend EVERYONE read his fabulous book:



Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back



Book overview

By the time he was nineteen, Frank Schaeffers parents, Francis and Edith Schaeffer, had achieved global fame as bestselling evangelical authors and speakers, and Frank had joined his father on the evangelical circuit. He would go on to speak before thousands in arenas around America, publish his own evangelical bestseller, and work with such figures as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Dr. James Dobson. But all the while Schaeffer felt increasingly alienated, precipitating a crisis of faith that would ultimately lead to his departureeven if it meant losing everything.

With honesty, empathy, and humor, Schaeffer delivers a brave and important book (Andre Dubus III, author of House of Sand and Fog)both a fascinating insiders look at the American evangelical movement and a deeply affecting personal odyssey of faith.

link on Google Books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=mJIKlq2v6WAC&dq=frank+...



Frank Schaeffer also wrote three semi-autobiographical novels known as The Calvin Becker Trilogy, which tells the story of a young boy growing up in Europe - the son of a prominent fundamentalist scholar. They are wonderful stories, filled with brilliant anecdotes. Anyone with an Evangelical background or interested in this phenomena will particularly love these books.

The first of these three novels in the Calvin Becker Trilogy is Portofino :



Portofino

By Frank Schaeffer

Book overview

Calvin is the son of a missionary family, and their trip to Portofino is the highlight of his year. But even in the seductive Italian summer, the Beckers can't really relax. Calvin's father could slip into a Bad Mood and start hurling potted plants at any time. His mother has an embarrassing habit of trying to convert "pagans" on the beach. And his sister Janet has a ski sweater and a miniature Bible in her luggage, just in case the Russians invade and send them to Siberia. His dad says everything is part of God's plan. But this summer, Calvin has some plans of his own ... Portofino is the prequel to the noted trilogy that includes Zermatt. A huge bestseller, Portofino has been translated into seven languages.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6iQFGwAACAAJ&dq=frank+...




==============================================

The second novel in the Calvin Becker Trilogy is Zermatt



Zermatt

By Frank Schaeffer

Book overview

A sequel to Portofino takes readers on a hilarious, poignant coming-of-age journey as Calvin, a fourteen-year-old boy from a fundamentalist family, confronts his first sexual feelings while on a ski trip to Switzerland, enjoying his first sexual encounters with a waitress.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tMwtWxGcLk8C&dq=frank+...





his third novel in the Calvin Becker Trilogy is Saving Grandma



Saving Grandma

By Frank Schaeffer

Book overview

This final entry in the Calvin Becker trilogy continues the story of an utterly unpredictable familyfilled with the same wit, warmth, and flashing insight that earned widespread acclaim for Portofino and Zermatt. Calvin Beckers family have survived and persisted as Bible-thumping missionaries; its their duty to spread the Word to everyone they meet. But now, having weathered a crisis precipitated by the godless Swiss, they face an even greater spiritual challenge right in their own home: Grandma. Foulmouthed, foul-tempered, and heathen through and through, shes staying in the spare room, recuperating from a broken hipand making it next to impossible for the Beckers to do the Lords work. Calvins pious mom is determined to save Grandmas soul, even if shes doing it through gritted teeth and deadly measures. His fathers spending more and more time in his room, blasting opera to drown out the old ladys voice. And Calvin wishes things would just get back to normal so they can go on vacation and he can get close to the girl he loves. But then Calvin starts to understand Grandma a little better and appreciate her a little more. After all, misery loves company.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tNtHXDD_siAC&dq=frank+...








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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:08 PM
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62. Watch this video!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

k&r

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:14 PM
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63. Thanks for this...
already looking forward to watching this later.
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