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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:53 PM
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Poll question: Is calling a White person you don't like, 'cracker,' a verbal act of racism?
For example: "Hope this cracker ends up in prison for a very long time."

Extra credit question: Were the commas in the subject line used correctly for American English?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:54 PM
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1. Depends, I think, if you are referring to a Ritz cracker or just a saltine.
And a rye cracker???

Fuggeddaboudit.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:03 PM
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14. Are rye crackers Kosher?
And is matzo technically a cracker?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:54 PM
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2. More classism.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:55 PM
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3. How so? nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:44 PM
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112. Well....
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 11:45 PM by aquart
"Cracker" would be racist if used by another race to describe any members of that race. Say, if Chiang Kai Shek called Thomas Jefferson or JFK or George HW Bush a "cracker."

But I know "white" people who use the term more exclusively to scornfully describe poor fellow whites who live in rural areas and drive elderly pickup trucks. That's a class distinction, not a racial one.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:55 PM
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4. Honestly,
I think if a white person used it about themselves or another, usually in a self deprecating manner, I think that would be OK.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:58 PM
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9. My brothers, in Construction, use the term re other average white guys.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:30 PM
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178. I'm a native Floridian, and Cracker has a unique connotation there so I said
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:30 PM by catzies
"No" in the poll, because to me a Cracker was a socioeconomic condition with a geographical implication, not a racist one.

Crackers were certain people that came from a certain place. Bob Graham and Janet Reno both claim Cracker roots.

And the other meaning I associate it with is "white trash," or "poor white." Neither of those are racist insults to me but class insults.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:24 PM
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204. Hill people? I don't use it, but my Dad's family is from Arkansas.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:56 PM
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5. Yes
and the DU admin feels the same.
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TannerBoyle Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:57 PM
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6. Of course it is.
But, no one will ever get into a tiff over it, the way if someone called a black man a "nigger".
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:58 PM
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7. Who cares?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:00 PM by liberalmuse
I don't know a white person who would be hurt by that. True 'crackers' are proud of it. It's not like white people have been victims of systematic racial abuse by people of color for centuries or anything like that. Au Contraire. I don't fucking buy that it is even close to meaning the same thing when a person of color calls a white person, 'honky' or 'cracker'. C'mon. White people (yes, I'm caucasian) have no fucking clue what racial discrimination is like. And to pretend otherwise is being nothing more than a pathetic martyr.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:47 PM
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232. While I agree that it does not bother me to be called 'crackers'
I still feel it can be an act of racism because of the feelings the person using the word may have. Of course the 'N' word is a hundred times worse because of its historic use and meaning. Just like there are many hurtful words for non-whites, there are many words meant to be hurtful for whites. While most of those used against whites don't really affect me, I do hate being called a WASP. To me that indicates a hateful, racist person whether the person that uses it means that or not.

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:58 PM
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8. For extra credit, no, the commas in the subject line are not used correctly for American English.
The correct form would be:

Is calling a White person you don't like, 'cracker', a verbal act of racism?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:30 PM
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Why do the police always show up too late to these things? n/t
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:35 PM
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68. Just the facts, ma'am.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:17 PM
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165. Are you sure?
I thought the punctuation almost always goes inside the quotes.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:24 PM
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231. Usemention distinction
The usemention distinction (sometimes referred to as the words-as-words distinction) is the distinction between using a word (or phrase) and mentioning it. It arises in the context of grammar and philosophy.

...

In written language, mentioned words or phrases often appear between quotation marks ("Chicago" contains three vowels) or in italics (When I say honey, I mean the sweet stuff that bees make), and some authorities insist that mentioned words or phrases must always be made visually distinct in this manner. Used words or phrases (much more common than mentioned ones) do not bear any typographic distinction.

If quotes are used, it is sometimes the practice to distinguish between the quotation marks used for speech and those used for mentioned words, with double quotes in one place and single in the other:

* When Larry said, "That has three letters," he was referring to the word 'bee'.
* With reference to "bumbershoot", Peter explained that 'The term refers to an umbrella.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distin...

Note that the example, "bumbershoot", shows the comma outside the quotation marks.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:08 PM
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198. I don't think that's correct. n/t
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:59 PM
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10. I never use the term for a person, just a snack food.
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:03 PM
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15. Same here--to me, a cracker is something that tastes good with crunchy peanut butter on top...
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:59 PM
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11. Absolutely. n/t
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:59 PM
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12. No the commas were not used correctly for American English.
And what the hell is a 'verbal act of racism' supposed to mean? An insult? A racial epithet? Or some sort of institutional system of oppression that is brought to bear by said 'verbal act'?

("Is calling a White person you don't like, like Sean Hannity, 'cracker' a verbal act of racism?")...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:01 PM
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13. i've never heard a person IRL say "cracker" to refer to whitey instead of snack food
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM by pitohui
so my vote is that it isn't racism, it's just irony

and i've lived in the south my whole life, so there's that

is cracker a georgia regionalism or something (that is what i've always assumed, as i somehow always drive/fly thru GA as fast as i can, sorry ATL guys)

(the term i have heard and the term i use is white trash, and i'm sorry if it's offensive but since i'm from a scots-irish background, then i'm afraid that's the language we speak, as it were) -- i'm not gonna lay awake night being offended because someone called me white trash, it's just a label

the discrimination/stalking i've suffered is not because of my color, it's because i'm female so you can take my comments FWIW

reverse racism may exist but it's a pimple on the butt of sexism, so forgive me if i think white males whining about racism are babies
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. I have
Said it, that is.

Said to me: Do you mind if a call you a Messkin?

Reply: not at all, you dumb cracker.

PS: the other person was a Belorussian immigrant, and openly racist.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:09 PM
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24. ok but you were neither of you from the south, you were both of you playing a part it sounds like?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:10 PM by pitohui
sure, we've all heard jokes and made jokes

but you're talking a mexican(or latin american?) talking to eastern european

cracker is supposedly an american term and i think it really doesn't exist on a wide scale or maybe i've just spent too much time in louisiana -- there are other (more specific) words for the white person you don't like -- the chalmatian, the coon ass or what have you depending on where the person is actually FROM

you're talking both of you looked at some foreign dictionary probably written by a yankee who never used the word cracker either...?

asking not telling here, i really never hear this term used
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:17 PM
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37. You presume too much
First, I lived in Texas for half of my life.

Second, I scored in the 95% percentile range of the verbal section of my GRE (English), meaning my verbal skills are above 95% of the US population, despite being a Mexican native.

I used the term 'cracker' deliberately, and advisedly, knowing how proud he was of being a Belorussian (White Russian). Nothing pissed him off quicker than having his ethnicity denied or diminished.

The only thing that would have pissed him off more, would be to call him a Russian.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:17 PM
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actually i presume nothing, that's what "asking not telling" means in english
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:18 PM by pitohui
i'm not criticizing your reading comprehension or asking for your GRE results but you clearly didn't read MY post correctly

are you saying the word "cracker" is actually used, among native speakers, in texas?

what part of texas? it's a big place

that's why i'm asking, i've NEVER heard this word used, and it sounds like you didn't use it in any meaningful sense but rather to tease/annoy the russian guy -- IF you were using it to insult his race, then yes, that's racism but why would you be bragging about it?

i hear redneck, i hear white trash

i don't hear honkey (except in old movies), i don't hear cracker

i'm just curious to know if these words were ever actually used more than once -- if they've only been used one time by a mexican guy to play with the head of a russian guy, i dunno -- i just don't find that a terrible threat to civil discourse altho sure in theory you should never engage in race-based insults
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:55 PM
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197. Your questions presumed things that were not factual
Assumptions about my background based on where I live today, and assumptions about my knowledge of English, and his knowledge of English, based on our respective ethnicities. Your questions were loaded with such prejudices.

>> Are you saying the word "cracker" is actually used, among native speakers, in texas?

Yes, I am saying the word "cracker" is actually used, among native speakers, in Texas, just not the white native speakers in Texas.

>> What part of texas?

Galveston county, Harris County, and Beaumont in my experience.

>> I've NEVER heard this word used, and it sounds like you didn't use it in any meaningful sense but rather to tease/annoy the russian guy.

Again, he was not Russian; he was Belorussian as I explained earlier. I used it to tease and annoy him by pigeonholing him in the wrong ethnic group. I knew the meaning of the term and used it deliberately. He also knew the meaning of the term, and the fact that I was returning an insult.

If you haven't heard the term, maybe it is because it does not belong to your generation? Who knows. Maybe now I'm presuming too much.

>> IF you were using it to insult his race, then yes, that's racism but why would you be bragging about it?

I was using it to deny his race. Yes, it is racism. No I am not bragging; just answering the question asked. If you don't want replies, don't end your sentences with question marks.

>> i hear redneck, i hear white trash i don't hear honkey (except in old movies), i don't hear cracker

You probably haven't heard the term goat roper either, but that says more about your life experience than about words that may or may not be used in social circles you may not be privy to.

The moral of the story is this:

Don't ask a question, if you can't stand to hear the answer.

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. As a Belorussian immigrant, the other person doesn't qualify as a cracker.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. I know. See #37
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:34 PM
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66. I've used the term to describe brittle white people who crumble easily when faced with color
As in: the crackers are snapping and crumble. Not a race, but specifically a brittle type of racist. Does that make me a racist? Maybe, maybe not. Could make me a poet.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Poet. Definitely. n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #66
190. +1
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
233. I am a white female
and while living in NYC some years ago I was called 'cracker', 'honky' and 'white trash bitch'. Of course the 'white trash bitch' came from my Latino husband so I don't know if that counts. I was also threatened and rescued by people who were not my shade of white.

The names did not bother me that much, the threats did however but the rescues renewed my faith in people of all groups. I came out of my experience prejudice against an ethnic group that was as white as I am and I had to work on that for many years, but have to say I still do not like their attitude toward others. I had a professor tell me one time that my problem was that I was prejudice against prejudice people. ;)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:04 PM
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16. Crackers don't like it, but I don't care what crackers think.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. I'm as white as they come. and I am not offended by it
maybe it is just me
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:47 PM
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234. Not just you.
Crackers has no meaning to me, unless there is a threat attached. (live experience there) I am not saying anything about anyone in particular here. I have also been threatened by whites when they saw me with my then Latino husband or with our children. I have been called a "N lover" more times than I can count and I took that as a compliment. My life has taken me to diverse areas and non-diverse areas, so I have had a variety of experiences.

As I said in another post, if you want to call me something that bothers me call me a WASP. I was raised to hate that term even though we were white anglo-saxon protestants. To us it represented the KKK, something we were far from.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:04 PM
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17. You're using the term 'cracker' as an appositive, and it is not. And yes, cracker is racist. nt
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padumdang Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. That's right. I wanted to say that but I couldn't remember 'appositive'!
:blush:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:05 PM
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18. as a white man in america, not sure what someone could call me that should upset me.
as c k louis points out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. OMG that's hilarious
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 PM by pitohui
thanks for the link -- before 1980 NO THANK YOU!!!!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
42. Louis CK is great
I've seen all his shows... more than once. :D

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM
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20. What's the impetus for this?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
79. The quote in the OP is from another post. I was wondering how my fellow DU poll voters felt about
the word cracker when used that way.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM
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21. I am almost old enough to remember when men were lynched
in this country, just for being a cracker. Oh wait. No I'm not. That never happened.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:13 PM
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28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Exactly
:thumbsup:

False equivalence that assumes racism is primarily symbolic and about personal "offense" rather than structural, material, and about systematic exploitation. It's a shame 67% of DUers are that dumb.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
48. Racism is an ideology...
and that is what some DUers are missing. Structural, material, and systematic exploitation are things all unto their own and can be achieved by many different means, racial discrimination only being one of them, and racial discrimination doesn't even have to be based on the ideology of racism. In many cases nowadays, it is based on bigotry and steryotypes.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
80. Racism has more than one definition according to the dictionary. You are using definition 2 of 3
according to Dictionary.com. This poll uses definition 3, which most DUers seem to have figured out.

rac⋅ism
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #29
143. BS
You are probably one of those people who believe that a non-white person couldn't be racist. Talk about dumb
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
56. So calling someone of another race a derogatory name for a member of that race, isn't racist?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:17 PM by DefenseLawyer


Get over it. Name calling without the power to actually oppress to target is just name calling. Sticks and stones and all that.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. So people can't be racist against the President since they have no ability to oppress him.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. Listen, if you want to spend your life worrying about "reverse racism"
be my guest. I have better things to do.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. You really are a lawyer. You can't answer simple questions. Who said stereotypes aren't true.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. I wish you the best of luck as you struggle through life as a white man in America.
Endeavor to persevere!
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. I've never been discriminated against that I'm aware of.
To get where I've gotten and claim discrimination would be silly. Your complete inability to answer simple hypothetical questions though is hysterical.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #74
126. He does have a handicap
Tends to set his own strawmen on fire :nuke:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #126
140. I have several actually.
Military service and fire fighting have left me with several manageable disabilities.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #140
171. Have any of these life experiences affected your compassion for others?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #171
181. Most people who know me would refer to me as compassionate.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 04:33 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
It's impossible to provide quality health care without compassion and empathy. In 20 years of EMS I haven't had a single complaint and have numerous commendations and awards.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #181
183. Would you consider
bringing that to DU?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #183
184. What in this thread has led you to believe that I lack compassion?
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 04:37 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
Before answering please consider the way you started our discussion here. Especially when you feel the need to lecture others on respect.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #184
191. That reaction
and your threatening tone are indicative.

I didn't "start our discussion here," I made a joke about you and your strawmen arguments.
I didn't say you "lack compassion." One of your strawmen, lit on fire.

Your defensiveness, your quick hostility, your insistence on foisting your POV on the other, your threatening tone, all of these contribute. Compassion does not speak that way.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #191
194. That's hysterical. Threatening tone, hostility, that's good stuff. Thanks for the laugh.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #191
205. Just so we are on the same page here.
Could you please point out where in this thread I demonstrate an insistence on foisting my point of view on others? Could you also point out examples of my threatening tone, hostility and defensiveness?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #181
215. Oh Dave, to receive the accolade: Compassionate, one must first fit...
into DU's alterable kaleidoscopic image of what 'compassion' really is. My brother is EMS and was pulled off to ground '0' 9/11 to assist with all of it - but we don't talk about things like that here at DU anymore, we've moved on
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #215
228. Is he doing okay?
I hope so. A lot of the firefighters are having respiratory problems. My thoughts and prayers to you and your family.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
185. There's a kind of a point there, that you're dodging
Not sure exactly what it is, but it's going to be harder to claim that this oppression had not lifted at least somewhat upon the election of a black President.

As Jessie Jackson said last Nov. 5, the white people in this country have changed.

Sure there are some racists and they are racist against the President. But we rightly call them "wingnuts" or "racist nutjobs" and other such names. We could call them crackers, too, if crackers meant "crazy."

But there are white people who voted for a black man to be their President. Enough to get the man elected.


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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #60
82. So I can call you a misogynist pig and it's not sexist? My being a LayDee and all, and you being
male and all... :hi:
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. You can call me whatever you want
and you can call it "sexist" or just plain mean. I can choose to be offended or not, but I will still make more money than you will for doing the same job.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #90
155. Funny how you're not at all offended by that...making more money for doing the same job...
but your ire SURE is going all over the place at the fact that a black person calling a white person a cracker is INDEED racist.

Funny this.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #155
157. You misunderstand
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:33 PM by DefenseLawyer
I AM offended by the fact that, statistically, I would make more than you for the same job. That is offensive to everybody. I am not offended if you want to call me names. The point is, you calling me names or not isn't really going to bother me, because as a white male all the name calling in the world isn't going to make me part of an oppressed class. Women face a very real glass ceiling. They face wage discrimination and all sorts of battles in the workplace relating to gender. A man using sexist name calling to perpetuate that status has very real consequences. In my mind it is similar, although not identical, to the use of racial slurs against minorities. There is the power to oppress backing up the slur. That gives it its particular destructive effect. Calling me a cracker just isn't the same thing. You can call me cracker til the cows come home and it won't mean I can't get a loan or buy a house where I want or get a job or a promotion or drive down the street without getting pulled over for no reason, etc. etc. etc.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #157
168. Oppression does not need to exist for racism to happen. period.
equal means equal, not anything else. It's almost akin to saying we can call Muslims "terrorists" because there are more Muslims than there are Christians in the world. It's all relative. to your area, to your community, to your world.

And racism is racism by any stripe.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #168
170. Fight the good fight
Hopefully you can thwart the reverse discrimination that is keeping me down. I appreciate the effort.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #157
177. i like the post by defenselawyer
i think this is just a good common sense attitude

sticks and stones is one thing, being arrested for DWB or being turned down for a job because of skin color is a different thing

sure name calling is stupid and no one should do it, but there are way bigger issues out there and way bigger battles to fight

seeing that time and life are limited it is good to have priorities and not sweat the small stuff
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #157
218. Great post.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
160. Then I myself may, with free and clear conscious call anyone anything
Then I myself may, with free and clear conscious call anyone anything without it being construed as racism in any way, as I personally have zero power to oppress any target or targets...?

Or does your statement need additional qualifications?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #160
163. Yes, you can call anybody anything you want whatever you want
It can be construed as racist or not. I'm not talking about the specific intent or beliefs of the speaker who calls a white man a cracker. I'm not venturing a guess about your conscience. What I'm saying is, so what? White guys like myself have a leg up in this country. Calling me names may be a personal affront, but it isn't going to contribute to or denigrate my status in the society. Any white man who seriously believes that being called a "cracker" is going to keep him down is psychotic.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #163
172. except on a group discussion board with Rules based on Respect
and other places respect applies.


"Any white man who seriously believes that being called a "cracker" is going to keep him down is psychotic."

You must be pretty comfortably established in the pecking order to not see the flaw in your logic. A white man who is in a position to be called a "cracker" may be very touchy about that charged word -- and his particular situation -- no matter how you look at it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #163
192. Did not seem to answer the greater question posed...
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 05:25 PM by LanternWaste
Did not seem to answer the greater question posed...

"...call anyone anything without it being construed as racism in any way...?" as your position seems to imply without any additional qualifiers.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #192
196. Anything can be construed as anything by somebody
That is NOT the "greater question". That is the nearly meaningless question. You folks are getting all caught up in manners and hurt feelings. I could care less who calls whom what name. Equating racism with name calling is foolishness. Suggesting that the white man is about to be thrown in the back of the bus because someone calls him "cracker", well, that's just laughable.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #196
199. construed not by a single person, but by our cultural mores
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 07:19 PM by LanternWaste
Calling a question meaningless does not make it so. From the very nature of this thread, it appears to have great meaning for many people, all pejorative and dramatic minimizations aside.

In context, construed not by a single person, but by our cultural mores, you see-- a most precise and relevant different than what you seem to have inferred. I didn't imply simple name-calling, it should be obvious given the context of the thread that I was referring specifically to racist comments. You appear to be attributing to me both statements and positions I have not made, nor stand on.

Specifically, I am not asking about "hurt feelings", merely racist comments. You allow us wonderful replies... yet as all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.

ed: sp
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #196
229. So you strongly disagree with President Carter?
To be clear, you believe that Joe Wilson's use of the word liar had nothing at all to do with racism and calling anyone any name is not racism and it's foolish to equate the two?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #60
220. Do you tell that to Blacks and Hispanics
when they are called nigger and beaner?
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #60
235. Name calling based on race is showing prejudice
even if you do not consider it racist. True the prejudice may be based on life experiences, but it is still prejudice. :shrug:
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #56
230. going 5 miles over the speed limit is breaking the law, but so is murder
eom
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padumdang Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM
Response to Original message
23. Yes, and the commas weren't necessary.
:D
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Yunomi Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
30. I dunno.
I call my dogs and parrots 'crackers' affectionately all the time. And I have called white people 'you dumb cracker!' in anger on occasion. Although the Squidbilly term 'chalky' is quickly gaining favor with me.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
31. Commas are used with quotations;
they're not used with scare quotes or quotations that aren't cited as speech but as examples. Unless the sentence otherwise requires commas.

He said the famous "To be or not to be" line from Shakespeare. But:

He said, "To be or not to be," quoting from Shakespeare.

Similarly: What do you mean by calling me a white "boy"--I'm over 35.

Chinese has a distinction between "hanyu" and "hanwen", one that largely distinguishes spoken and written norms. (Note that I've had to comply with different competing American stylistic norms on whether a syntactically required comma goes inside or outside this kind of quotation mark. In other words, there are competing norms--and no one authority is the Law of God on the matter, just "good usage" and what's proper within a given norm. Oddly, with single quotes I've only ever put them outside: The Russian Academy has recently revised its official norms to allow initial stress in 'dogovor', along side the older norm with final stress, but mandates only final stress in 'pozvonit'.)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #31
83. Your post is very helpful, thank you.
I used the single quotes because traditional quotes mess with DU polls when the quotes are used in the subject line or the poll options. If one uses traditional quotes in the subject line and/or poll options and then click the "Preview" option, the quotes and everything typed after the quotes will disappear. This only seems to happen with polls.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
32. Yes but I am white.
So I would like to say that most republicans are crazy KKKrackers.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
33. Is this the attempt to be 'fair and balanced'
to the guy who kicked a black servicewoman's head and called her 'black nigger bitch' while doing it?

I don't think 'cracker' rises to the level.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #33
84. The poll is straight forward.
Clear your head, read the question and choices, and you will do fine.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. The poll is "straightforward", in your opinion.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #87
103. Do you think my poll is crooked?
If so, please tell me all about it.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. It's oversimplified.
If a white person condones its usage, as I posted below, is it racist? Opinions vary.

As does intent. I believe someone could call a white person a 'cracker' without holding that opinion of the entire white race. There are other posts in this thread explaining the regional origins of the term. It is not a wholesale indictment of an entire racial group.

When someone calls a black person a 'nigger', I'd say it's a safe bet that they harbor that view of the entire race.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. I personally believe that inserting race into a sincere insult is racist.
Since the OP designates the white person is unliked by the insulter, the insult would be sincere.

"As does intent. I believe someone could call a white person a 'cracker' without holding that opinion of the entire white race."

I don't remember where*, but I once heard someone say, "There are Black people and there are niggers." I personally found this to be racist because the speaker was inserting race into the equation. The speaker could have said, "Some people I like and some people I look down upon." but the speaker was motivated by something to insert race into the insult and that something is most likely to be bigotry in my view.


*Maybe a TV show?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. That was Chris Rock, who is black, and the point he was making
was that there is a subset of the black community who appear to live down to the racist sterotypes - not knowledgeable and proud of it, etc. - versus the majority of the community who do not do that.

A racist would not make that distinction.

For what it's worth, he also has a riff about "crackers", but takes the position that it's a characterization of an attitude that does not have a basis in being white.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #109
116. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #116
130. God won't save you.
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nccomms Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #107
206. not really
originally the word nigger meant ignorant, not black. So you could call any dumb ass a nigger with no racial intent at all. I have some friends that refer to nigger as a shitty person, & they call shitty people of any race niggers.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
34. Racism is prejudice plus power
In the absence of power, it's just prejudice.

So a racial epithet from white to black is different than one from black to white.
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padumdang Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #34
47. I think you have it backward. Some of the most racist people I've ever known are
very poor and very powerless. To some extent, that's exactly what makes them so mean and nasty. Well, that and the fact they're too damn lazy to work...

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #47
59. PIZZA!!! Good job, mods! nt
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #47
73. I know that guy! He lives across the street.
He's in a fued with his next door neighbor for no reason except the man's black. It's incredible how nasty he is.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
167. I was with you up through "very poor and powerless" and was going to add
undereducated, but then I saw the rest of your post and thought "why contribute to a classist's argument?"
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
85. Racism has more than one definition according to the dictionary. You are using definition 2 of 3
according to dictionary.com

rac⋅ism

noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #34
118. +1
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #34
136. So it's impossible to be racist against the President? It's just prejudice we are seeing.
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #34
151. By that definition wouldn't it be nearly impossilbe
for a white person of limited means and no authority to be racist as they would not have the power to do anything? Same with a white person that lives in a rural area of whites only?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #34
187. Different, but is it excusable?
Is it OK, or just a much more minor offense?

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #34
210. No it's not. That's simply one form of racism (i.e., institutional). nt.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
35. Don't know for sure but I edited it
out of a post I was writing earlier today when talking about the guy who beat up the Female Black Soldier in front of her daughter.

I wanted to call him a racist cracker but went with bigot instead.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:17 PM
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36. If you use the term as a pejorative, it's a pejorative. If you use it as an
affectionate and/or joking ethnic/racial designation, it's OK.

Typically, it's safe for fellow members of a group to address each other with a slang designation, but people not members of the group should use caution. For example, people with an Italian heritage in my area often greet each other by saying "How you doing, you Dago?" or "How you doing, you Wop?" Trust me, I'm one Mick not dumb enough to ever use either word myself! If I did, someone is liable to end up in the Paddy wagon.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:27 PM
Response to Original message
39. The term cracker came from the sound the whip made while whipping slaves.
I would consider it an insult.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. Here's another source suggesting it depends on who uses the term and how they use it::
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:36 PM by hedgehog

The epithet cracker has been applied in a derogatory way, like redneck, to rural, non-elite white southerners,
more specifically to those of south Georgia and north Florida. Folk etymology claims the term originated either from their cracking, or pounding, of corn (rather than taking it to mill), or from their use of whips to drive cattle. The latter explanation makes sense, because in piney-woods Georgia and Florida pastoral yeomen did use bullwhips with "cracker" tips to herd cattle.

The true history of the name, however, is more involved and shows a shift in application over time. Linguists now believe the original root to be the Gaelic craic, still used in Ireland (anglicized in spelling to crack) for "entertaining conversation." The English meaning of cracker as a braggart appears by Elizabethan times, as, for example, in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this . . . that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?"

By the 1760s the English, both at home and in colonial America, were applying the term to Scots-Irish settlers of the southern backcountry, as in this passage from a letter to the earl of Dartmouth: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode." The word then came to be associated with the cowboys of Georgia and Florida, many of them descendants of those early frontiersmen.

Among African Americans cracker became a contemptuous term for a white southerner; among some southern whites it has become a label of ethnic and regional pride, boosted by the election of south Georgian Jimmy Carter to the presidency in 1976. This led to the coining of the word crackertude as a not entirely serious answer to negritude.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h...
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:52 PM
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52. Also interesting. Thanks! nt
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
50. I wondered where it came from. Thanks! nt
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #39
75. I thought it was from the whip cracking by pig farmers.
Hence, Florida cracker. :shrug:
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:28 PM
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40. From what I recall at a museum display.
The term originally referred to poor white cattle farmers in Fla.
They would use whips to drive the cows, by cracking it above their heads.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. And rednecks are poor working class people
no matter the race. But not here on DU.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:32 PM
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43. Why is "white" capitalized?
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:33 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
I believe the commas are correct for American English; for British usage, the second comma would have been outside the quotation marks. But if single quotation marks are used to signify a special term, should the second comma be placed outside the quotation marks? Now I'm confused. ;-)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #43
88. I capitalized the word "white" because I was using it as a skin color.
I have almost always seen white, black, yellow, red, and brown capitalized when those words stood for a skin color.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:41 PM
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45. "don`t call me nigger,whitey...
do`t call me whitey, nigger...."

sly and the family stone

http://www.zappinternet.com/video/difYsaNmuQ/Sly-amp-th...
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:58 AM
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124. The Jane's Addiction version is pretty edgy.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:42 PM
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46. Bigotry... yes
Racism, not necessarily. Lots of people who use the word "cracker" as an insult on here probably don't believe whites are inferior.

And, it all depends on context. If it is used in the specefic context of your example, I guess you could say it is bigotry. Obviously, it is used sarcastically a lot as well and in jest or even affectionately. But if it is used as an insult, then it is showing hatred towards a group of people. Doesn't matter if it is a white person saying it, because they are talking about a specific type of white person that they have bigoted feelings about.

I guess the question would be, "why would you, in the process of insulting somebody for some reason, include their race"? It's a very complicated idea, but you can be bigoted towards a certain "type" of person of your own race. The terms "trailer trash", "white trash", "hick" all come to mind. They all have equivalents in meaning with other races as well. And often it has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with classism. Indeed, the nastiest, most steryotypical insults towards whites is reserved for the poorest whites. And it's often the same with all races. Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, as dastardly as they are, are rarely referred to the same way as the "moran" sign dude is. It is a sad irony really, that the worst insults are reserved for those with the least power and the most ignorance.

The thing is, these terms are used so often in other contexts that are not bigoted, as jokes, sarcastically, etc., that when they are used in a bigoted manner, it's hard to really see it I guess for a lot of people. It's like, "what's the big deal?"

In many ways, because this is a progressive board, and conservativism has become synonomous with being white for many on here, the word "white" itself is often used as an insult of sorts. It's an easy identifier of "the enemy" and it is still quite pc. It is also why many on here, when they disclose they are white, do so in an almost ashamed way, as if somehow they are now associated with the conservative ideology they disagree with. That's just MHO anyways.

I personally am not entirely comfortable with it, but when many, but not necessarily most, of the conservatives we disagree with use race to identify themselves as well as liberal ideology, I guess many on the left consider it fair game to return the favor.

And finally, it all depends on how someone defines "cracker" in the first place. Some will say that they use the insult "cracker" to refer only to white bigots, so how is that bigoted in and of itself? I guess the question would then be, why would you need a word to seperate bigots by their color when the adjective "white" in front of the word "bigot" would do just fine? And obviously, the definition of cracker is not agreed upon by anybody and can be seen very differntly by others who have had very different experiences with the word. On a progressive board, I think it is just best to try to avoid words that historically label a whole bunch of people as an insult, period. Not that I think it's much of a problem. I rarely see it happen on here.

Oh, and I hope anyone of any race feels free to give their opinion on the word "cracker". If it's one thing I can't stand, it's the idea that discussions about race are seperate and unequal depending on the subject and the race of the person speaking. How can there be any meaningful discussion with such an idea present?


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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:50 PM
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49. Is racism an act? Is it a verb?
I'd say that it reflects racist attitudes.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:51 PM
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51. White folks have been oh-so oppressed with "cracker" as one of its mechanisms...
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:52 PM by BlooInBloo
Poor, poor downtrodden white folks. It's really very sad what black folks do to us. We're people too, after all.


EDIT: That might have been too subtle. Try it this way: Fuck all "reverse racism" whiners.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:56 PM
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54. Sometimes, "cracker" is used by wealthier whites in place of the
less polite "poor white trash" or "trailer trash". You don't have to be a member of a minority to be oppressed, just poor.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:04 PM
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55. Tack on the "it's not race, it's class"-ers, as well. My apologies for forgetting about them.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:35 PM
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67. I have never heard a white person use the word, unless discussing
that they'd heard a person of color use it. Born and raised southerner here. :shrug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:15 PM
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92. Neither have I. But I'm sure *someone*, *somewhere* at *some time* has done so...
So I didn't bother going that route.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:31 PM
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65. Nobody was arguing this...
so why are you pretending they are? Shit, you seem awfully fast to try to shut down each and every conversation that has anything to do with race. Your comment shows that you have little care for discussion of a subject that isn't one of your pet issues and would rather derail it entirely.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:16 PM
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94. *yawn*
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:18 PM
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97. Bloo doesn't care much for those who claim reverse racism
in some twisted attempt to try to mitigate racism in this country by pretending it's a two sided thing.

I share his antipathy.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:58 PM
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188. When did the OP reference "reverse racism"?
First of all, there isn't such a thing, there's just "racism". And second of all, the question the OP was basically asking was whether using the word "cracker" as an insult was racist, no doubt in response to the Cracker Barrel story and some of the responses on here.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:49 AM
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208. First of all, I'm completely aware of exactly how full of shit the term "reverse racism" is
hence my antipathy for those who claim it. I don't need you patronizing me by defining words to which I already know the definition.

The OP doesn't have to use the words "reverse racism" to make the argument (if that's the argument being made and I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt on this one. Inference and implication being a powerful thing and all it was bound to happen) However, there are plenty of people who HAVE used the term "reverse racism". It is the obvious consequence to the question posed in the OP and unfortunately, a tendency of a certain subset of people who work to deflect any discussion on racism.



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:47 PM
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78. Amen, brother Bloo!
:rofl:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:17 PM
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96. You seem to have confused a simple poll with your favorite TV show. Easy mistake. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:52 PM
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104. Ah. "it's just a poll!". I like that variation. +3 for the riff.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:00 PM
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105. I did not say "just a poll." DU polls are OP+. There is something about DU polls
which seems to inspire passion in repliers. I suspect DU polls are the source of all love and hate in this world.

I said "a simple poll," which is still greater than a complex non-poll OP.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:18 PM
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108. Phew. Good thing I didn't say you *said* "just a poll". That was a close one.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:53 AM
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131. Woah, good thing I did not say you said I said "just a poll".
Everyone would have accidentally slipped when wiping themselves and got some poo on their hand.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:00 PM
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106. My computer had a little burp, don't we all from time to time? nt
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 11:01 PM by ZombieHorde
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:17 AM
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150. Bloo, I truly get that you loathe the concept of reverse racism. You make that quite clear.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:17 AM by Hosnon
But calling a white person a "cracker" or any other race-based derogatory name is not reverse racism. It's simply racism.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:01 PM
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158. I stand in solidarity with my oppressed white brothers and sisters everywhere.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:28 AM
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209. Again, I get your stance. But that doesn't change the facts of the matter. nt.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 10:29 AM by Hosnon
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:37 AM
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214. The facts being that reverse racism whiners need to harden the fuck up...
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:39 AM
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216. Bloo...it's not "reverse" anything. It's simply racism. nt.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:41 AM
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217. You make Hannity look like a Mensa student.
Give us a heads up if you're about to get even more inane and simplistic (if such a thing is even possible at this point). Otherwise, let the adults talk while you play with some legos or something.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:55 PM
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53. I thought for racism to be present
a power imbalance had to exist. I would consider the term prejudiced under some circumstances, but rarely "racist".

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:37 PM
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70. I have never heard it used except in a racist context. n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:19 PM
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98. That is one definition of the word "racism".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

rac⋅ism

noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Definition 3 is the definition used for this poll.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:09 PM
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57. In the most literal sense, yes, but it does not typically involve being oppressed,
since whites have had the power in most of our society throughout our country's history. But in the most basic definition of basing action on race, then yes, calling someone a name based on their race could be called racism.

No, your commas were not used properly.
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:10 PM
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58. Using derogatory names in this political climate...
is just plain stupid.

Trying to get respect by showing disrespect doesn't make any sense.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:28 PM
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62. Calling someone cracker cracks me up.
I'm sorry, but I laugh at the term, especially if it's directed at me. It just has no ill effect whatsoewver. I DO not get it. "Shut up, Cracker!" :rofl:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:30 PM
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63. it is racism, but it doesn't do anything to a white person... so we dont need to get all offended
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:32 PM by seabeyond
about it.

what is in it. where are we being hurt in any way.

it is like males telling jokes about women, gays, black, hispanics and then saying quit being so sensitive. tell me a joke about a male that will offend a male the same as it does any of those groups. there are none

when a person uses cracker what does it do. doesn't make us inferior because whites sit in a position of power/privilige

so it is empty. it is not equal to using other derogatory names with minority groups
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:23 PM
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102. "but it doesn't do anything to a white person"
What does it do to a Chinese person?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:40 PM
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72. Republicans used to call Bill Clinton a cracker behind his back. Not racism. Classism.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:47 PM
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77. Yes, it is.
I'm not hurt by it personally, but I scoff if someone calls me a "faggot" as well. What makes it racist or derogatory isn't the collection of letters, of if they disturb the target, but the intent behind it.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:57 PM
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81. No it is not
Call me a faggot we got problems. Call me cracker I'll ask you what kind.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:10 PM
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86. Yes. Racism is racism no matter who it comes from.
And it is unacceptable.
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Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:13 PM
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89. If you mean it to be, it is. If you do it out of ignorance, it is.
eom.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:14 PM
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91. Obviously. nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:15 PM
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93. It makes no sense to call the descendants of 19th and 20th century immigrants "cracker"
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:17 PM by Nikki Stone1
So when you call Russian, Irish and Italian Americans "cracker", it's just confusing. Our ancestors were poor, starving, running from being killed and didn't own slaves.

If we're being racists, call us racists.

But "cracker" is just historically inaccurate.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:16 PM
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95. It was used in the film Deliverance and it didn't seem intended as a slur
After Burt Reynolds shot one of the psychos in the woods with an arrow, the main characters discussed whether they should go to the police or just bury the body. Reynolds said they wouldn't get a fair trial because the man they killed was a local boy, "a mountain man, a cracker". To me, it sounded like it was used to describe a local country boy from the south and nothing more.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:23 PM
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101. That's the natural flipside to the question
If a white person uses it, is it racist, or do they have "dibs" on it?

There was a scene in "Six Feet Under" - which was created by Alan Ball, a white southern man - in which one of the lead characters, a white man in an interracial relationship with a black man, imagined himself in a contest surrounded by black men, in which he wore nothing but a sash that read "Mr. White-Ass Cracker".

Is self-deprecation by white guys OK?
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:20 PM
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99. Yes, it is
just as calling a woman you don't like a "bitch" is a verbal act of misogyny.

Is this important to you for some specific reason?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:24 PM
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110. I saw a White, violent, and bigoted person referred to as a "cracker" on another thread
and I was wondering how my fellow DU poll voters viewed that use of the word "cracker".
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #110
137. Oh - that thread
Your description of him probably took to long to type, although it is more accurate.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:22 PM
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100. Of course it is. nt.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:32 AM
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113. No it is not.
If it were on a sign that hung above a water fountain that said "no crackers allowed" or if I were chased away from a polling booth with shouts of " go away cracker"!...those would be a verbal acts of racism.

Otherwise get over it...you've probably been called worse things.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:37 AM
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114. You are using one of three definitions of racism.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:59 AM
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115. Dictionary definitions do not always equal common or even proper use
And, your poll does not require me to use any of those definitions provided by you later in the thread in order to qualify for participating.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:28 AM
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127. I will take dictionary.com over an anonymous poster any day.
"your poll does not require me to use any of those definitions provided by you later in the thread in order to qualify for participating.

I was not trying to qualify you for my poll, I was providing evidence for the proper definition of the word "racism".
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #127
164. Perhaps you should list your qualifiers in the poll question
You created a poll and later decided to qualify the terms used in the poll by posting definitions from dictionary.com? So, if you don't like your data, you tweak the original question to get the answer you want?

Un-anonymously un rec'd for yanking my chain.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:59 PM
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200. "You created a poll and later decided to qualify the terms used in the poll by posting definitions"
No, I created a poll and then informed some about the full definition of the word "racism".

"So, if you don't like your data, you tweak the original question to get the answer you want?"

I tweaked nothing and I am happy with the data.

"Un-anonymously un rec'd for yanking my chain."

Cool. No hard feelings.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #113
147. So just using a racist term to describe someone
but without any sort of force being involved cannot be racist?

So calling obama a "lying african" is not racist, since that person couldn't prevent him from doing anything and had no authority over the president?
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #147
166. "That person" --- was a white lady
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:23 PM by The Midway Rebel
If you can show me in the history books where black men hung white ladies from trees just to keep them terrorized and socially, economically and psychologically oppressed, then I will agree with your premise that calling a white person "cracker" is racism.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:57 AM
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117. I've been called a white bitch before.
It's racist and despicable, but it's also not on the same level as the 'N' word or other epithets describing blacks.

As a person below put it, power is a major factor. History is another.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:30 AM
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119. Yep and there is a SHITLOAD of reverse racism on DU these days. nt
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:33 AM
Response to Reply #119
128. What is "reverse racism"? nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #128
161. Your own poll proves that what's going on here at DU is NOT ok...
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:06 PM by earth mom
So quit playing games and questioning me like I'm making it up or something.



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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:06 PM
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202. "questioning me like I'm making it up or something"
I asked you a question about a term you used, I did not accuse you of making stuff up. I have heard the term "reverse racism" before your post, but I never researched the term. I am wondering why you seem annoyed by my simple question.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:49 PM
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173. Its a new word that was invented 5 minutes ago
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #128
179. It's complete bullshit.
Although I don't think that was quite the answer you were looking for.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #128
219. It's racism that comes with the added benefit of not being opressed.
All the great flavour of your original brand of racism, with none of the lynching, beatings, pulled over for nothing, and lack of access to institutions of power.

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:53 AM
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226. Holy poop, an answer! Thank you. nt
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #119
180. What a complete load of horse shit.
The idea of reverse racism is about as credible a notion as the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:49 AM
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120. any white person who would complain about that is racist with closet racial-grievance envy
they WISH they were offended, but are really offended that they aren't offended.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:41 AM
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129. Do you have an arguement for your seemingly extremely broad claim? nt
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:53 AM
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138. you were able to make sense of that gibberish? nt
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:24 PM
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153. black reaction to racial epithets is based on a memory of absolute powerlessness with
no help from authorities when epithets were followed by violence.

When a white person is called "cracker" or something similar, the real level of offense is the same as if someone called you lardass, retard, or whatever insult bothers you. The offense is that the person tried to intentionally hurt your feelings, but they probably didn't evoke the cultural memory of a burning corpse hanging from a tree often with the local sheriff smiling nearby, or helpfully reading the paper in his office until the whole thing is over.

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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:17 PM
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176. Words mean things. Racism, here is the definition...
racism |ˈrāˌsizəm|
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief : a program to combat racism.
DERIVATIVES
racist |ˈreɪs1st| noun & adjective

You are describing oppression. It is not the same. And cracker is the racial equivalent of nigger or mic or gook. They are all racial hate words.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:27 PM
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182. So young black people with no memories of those events can't be offended?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:02 PM
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201. I still don't see how taking offensive to being called a cracker makes one a racist. nt
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:14 AM
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149. typical DU explanation.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:33 AM
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211. According to you, we all get to decide when another is offended, right? nt.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:55 AM
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121. Technically yes. Practically? No.
Louis CK on the word "Cracker"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:25 PM
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193. Shhh!!!! We're on the verge of shutting up all talk of racism! Don't ruin it for us!
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:55 AM
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122. Dupe.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 02:59 AM by armyowalgreens
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:57 AM
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123. From Wiki: the origins of Cracker
The Folk Etymology is what I originally thought of the term cracker.

Apparently this term has been around for a very long long time.




Etymology

There are various theories concerning the origin of the term "cracker."

The term was in use in Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack meaning "entertaining conversation" (one may be said to "crack" a joke); this term and the alternate spelling craic are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"

By the 1760s, this term was in use by the English in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish settlers in the south. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads:

I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode.

A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in his introduction to The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers).<1>

Spaniards in Florida called them "Ququeros," a corruption of the English word "Quaker," which the Spanish used to contemptuously refer to any Protestant.<2>

Other possible origins of the term are linked to early Florida cattle herders (Florida crackers) that traditionally used whips to herd wild Spanish cattle. These cowboys were distinct from the Spanish vaqueros of Florida. The crack of the herders' whips could be heard for great distances when they were used to round cattle in pens and to keep the cows on a given track. Also, "cracker" has historically been used to refer to those engaged in the low paying job of cracking pecans and other nuts in Georgia and throughout the southeast U.S.

According to the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, it is a term of contempt for the "poor" or "mean whites," particularly of Georgia and Florida. Britannica notes that the term dates back to the American Revolution, and is derived from the cracked corn which formed their staple food.<3> (In British English "mean" is also a term for tightfistedness,<4> with no malice implied.)

Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the back country (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1913: "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders', 'corn-crackers', or 'crackers'." <5>

Folk etymology

There is also an apocryphal belief that the term dates back to slavery in the antebellum South. The popular folk etymology is based on foremen using bullwhips to discipline slaves, and the sound of the whip being described as "cracking the whip." The foremen who cracked these whips are believed to have been known as "crackers."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29





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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:33 AM
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125. FYI
In FL, the original settlers were called Crackers and many descendants proudly wear the title as it implies they've paid their dues as "true" (yeah, not really) FL natives, not to be confused with every yahoo who's moved here since--half of whom don't even have the cajones to stay through the summer.

I've made mention elsewhere of my funky, old Cracker house and raised all kinds of hackles amongst idjuts from other Southern states who didn't grok that it isn't necessarily a perjorative.

In general, I guess I agree that it's an insult leveled at a class of people more than anything. I've been called one (once as a joke and once as an attempt at psychic violence, I suppose) and I seem to recall it just made me giggle. I really don't think it has the same history, connotation, or baggage other bigoted terms carry.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:44 AM
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132. No, but it is classist nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:49 AM
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133. No it may be discrimination, prejudice or just
insensitive behavior. Racism is different.
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:41 AM
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134. I suppose it is...

but still fall off the couch laughing when Chris Rock does that "Cracka! Cracka-ass cracka" schtick.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:47 AM
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135. There was a baseball team in Atlanta called the Crackers for decades...
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:54 AM
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139. I believe the history of "cracker" comes from white people cracking the whip on slaves. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:10 AM
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141. It is an example of hate begetting hate.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:47 AM
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142. Of course it is
and to say it isn't, is incredibly disengenuous.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:55 AM
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144. I'm white
And when I see a backward bigoted stupid assed hick with a rebel flag on his truck I'm liable to call him a piss ignorant cracker.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:59 AM
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145. Not in Florida. n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:07 PM
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162. You Beat Me To It!!! But I DID Make A Comment About It Below!! n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:03 AM
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146. What I have learned here on DU
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:04 AM by The Straight Story
If you are offended by something then people should not use the word around you.
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:12 AM
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148. sure, why not . If someone called me cracker I'd laugh in there face
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:54 AM
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152. Yes
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:39 PM
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154. Well if I were called a cracker I would hope it would be more multi-grain than a common saltine
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:42 PM
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156. I don't see how it could be anything but.
And no, I don't think those commas were used correctly. Could be wrong, though.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:04 PM
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159. I'm Not Voting!! Remember There's A Whole State That Calls It's People
"CRACKERS!" Just making a fun comment, but generally white people do get called crackers, or is it "honky?"
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:31 PM
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169. No more than Georgia Peach
My families in Georgia and Florida have always referred to ourselves as crackers. Not everything in the south is racist.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:12 PM
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174. My Point Exactly! I LIVE In Florida! Know the Term Well...
And that means ALL the citizens are included! But I really DO think the term "honky" is the ONE blacks use more than "crackers" when talking down whites!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:33 AM
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212. And lots of black people refer to themselves as certain words...
it doesn't change the default setting on that word, does it?

So yes, while 'cracker' can be used in a non-racist way, the word is inherently racist. IMO.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:13 PM
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175. What if you are white?
:confused:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:48 PM
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186. Maybe if done out of hatred toward the person and if that hatred
was just because that individual was white.

The argument that the person who has it directed to them can say if it is offensive if often quoted on DU, so there is a problem with inconsistency if one certain group can't say they'd find that offensive if it were directed to them. At least there is an issue there that would need to be addressed.

I get that I belong to the race that has oppressed others. But I don't know that anyone should get to hate me for it as an individual. I know it's not being lynched, etc., but it's being on that end of racial hate - the golden rule seems to come into play.

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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:02 PM
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189. There's a difference between having your feelings hurt....
and having your opportunities limited because of the color of your skin, or having society think of you as inferior because of it.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:10 PM
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203. The definition of racism is a little more broad than that. nt
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:47 PM
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195. Not if it's true!
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:34 AM
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213. Umm...the idiocy of your statement should be made obvious by the obvious counter-example. nt.
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nccomms Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:06 PM
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207. yeah i'd say that racial is racial
no mater who is doing the hating. Also this reminded me of the time i worked in a pet store. We had a niger trigger fish in the saltwater section, & some really little kid came in and said look mom whats a nigger trigger.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:57 AM
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221. In your context, yes, but to a far, far lesser degree than the N word.
Cracker has no historical baggage to it like the N word does, and it has no institutionalized weight backing it up. And I doubt many black people would laugh at being called the N word, but I know a lot of white people will laugh at being called a cracker (myself included). That alone tells me the two aren't very comparable. If being called a cracker is the worst type of racism white people have to face then I'd say we got off pretty damn lightly.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:31 AM
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222. I agree with everything in your post, at least as far as adults are concerned.
A nine year old White kid may feel very bad about being mocked for being White.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:34 AM
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223. Yes, you're right.
I was thinking of just adults, so I'm glad you added that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:34 AM
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224. I'm sure it is. But there has to be a word that separates the demographic
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:35 AM by Cleita
of Kool-Aid drinking white people from the rest of us. I certainly don't want to be lumped in with them.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:50 AM
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225. By definition, a derogatory term based on someone's race is racist
but speaking as a white dude, I take no offense when I hear it. I think it's actually kinda funny.

For example, the scene in "The Stewie Griffin Story" depicting Condoleeza Rice in college: "Listen up you crazy crackers!!!"
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specialed Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:57 AM
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227. Absolutely...
I grew up in a mostly black neighborhood and anyone who ever called me a cracker got his ass kicked. Period.
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