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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:03 PM
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if we're against the healthcare reform bill, does that mean the thugs will support it?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:10 PM
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1. The Party of No opposes any change, reform, regulation, statute or law.
Health insurance companies are raking in record profits and are raising rates by as much as 29% all over the country. The status quo is just fine for the Corporate (D)s and (R)s.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:12 PM
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2. hell no, they won't support it.
which means it's especially stupid that they pulled the public option out.

ditch the Baucus bill. pass a real one.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:14 PM
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3. why did we give up one single thing? i predict they won't get one thug vote.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:17 PM
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4. cosign. n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:22 PM
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6. "We" weren't really negotiating w/ Repukes to get their votes.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 07:26 PM by kenny blankenship
"We" were negotiating w/ Repukes in order to give away stuff to the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies. "We" knew from the start that Repukes would not vote for the bill -any bill. "We" needed the Repukes around, however, as a shadow sparring partner, as a convenient excuse for why "we" continue to give stuff away. "We" are actually competing wings of the Democratic Party vying with each other over who can be Big Insurance's and Big Pharma's biggest best friend forever.

That's not a nice thing to contemplate, but that's what all the evidence points to.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:18 PM
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5. You might be surprised.
If the Progressive Caucus holds its ground and insists on a robust Public Option, and if the final bill does not promote a robust public option and the Progressive Caucus votes against it, I suspect the final bill will still pass with just enough Republican votes to get it through.

The health insurance industry really wants a Federal law on health care this year to preempt state action and prevent several states from enacting single-payer systems. The health insurance cabal doesn't care whether whether it's D or R arms they have to twist. They want the individual mandate and they want preemption. They do not want a robust public option, so that portion of the bill will likely get "triggered" away or replaced with co-ops.

Looks like it's the Democratic Party that gets to take the blame for giving the health insurance industry what it wants ... this time. It's tragic, really.

:shrug:

:dem:

-Laelth
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:29 PM
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7. Obama could tell them to put forward that bill they were all waiving around during his speech for a
vote, and I bet they'd still vote against it. It probably only had connect-the-dots games in it, but still, they'd vote no on anything that would allow Obama to claim that HC was passed under his leadership, let alone within the first year.
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