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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:45 PM
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Jimmy Carter doesn't do politics
that's why he'll go down in history as one of the most noble of all Presidents. imho

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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:48 PM
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1. Noble ex-president-----lousy president. I remember his term well.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:50 PM
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4. Yeah, Reagan was a lot better.
The traitorous reich-wing and corporate masters destroyed Carter's presidency.

You are gullible.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:18 PM
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16. Thanks
You saved me from having to type the same damn thing. President Carter was a great President and if not for the reich-wing noise machine would have been a damn fucking great President. In spite of the repuklicons he was able to do what he did. :hi:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:41 PM
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29. another thing we agree on
hope all is well..
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:10 PM
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39. Yes it is
hope the same with you. :hug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:45 PM
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32. Carter's failed presidency paved the way for Reagan's election
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:57 PM
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37. No, Poppy Bush's treasonous backroom deal to extend the Iranian hostage crisis
paved the way for Reagan's election.

Carter was left with the huge job of cleaning up after both Vietnam AND Watergate. It was too much for anyone to pull off in 4 years. Unfortunately, the policies begun in 1981 (and continuing to this day) have left our current President with a far bigger mess than the one Jimmy had. And he doesn't have the right people working on it, in most areas either, unfortunately.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:08 PM
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48. If Operation Eagle Claw had been a success no one would be blaming Carter for Iran
And don't forget that there was a recession in 1980.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:20 PM
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43. Please list the failures...I am ignorant
Panama Treaty= win
Camp David accords = win
B-1A cancelation= win
Energy policy = win
drug policy = relative win
arms reduction talks = win


Where was the fail?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:06 PM
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47. The economy = failure
Voters tent to be in a "throw the bum out" mood during and after recessions.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:53 PM
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5. (Obama excluded) Carter has been the best president in my lifetime
Carter didn't give us easy answers. He gave us real answers, real solutions. Not easy answers.
Ray-gun gave us easy answers. Bush and Clinton gave us easy answers.
Jimmy Carter was the last decent man to be President (again, Obama excluded).
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:22 PM
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19. 100% correct n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:53 PM
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6. yea, he did lousy things like putting emphasis on human rights and negotiating israeli/egypt
peace treaty. camp david accords. dept. of energy. dept. of education.

i wasn't nearly as disappointed in President Carter
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:08 PM
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12. I was raising 6 kids at the time and remember the gas lines and the inflation.
Carter was so busy looking at the big international picture that he ignored the people that voted him in.

I was a lousy four years IMHO.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:25 PM
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21. those were not good times
but he did give us real solutions to those harsh problems.
Were the years that followed better?
Look at the world that the corporatist have left us.
Is it really better?
I think that Carter gave us real solutions to complex problems.
Everyone since then (Obama excluded - too soon to condemn) has given us easy answers. Trickle down answers.
IMHO, of course. I am younger and do not know the ways of the world as much as you might know.

But I must add that I never felt left behind by Carter. I have always felt left behind - from 1980 on. ALWAYS.

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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:40 PM
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28. He was trying to get us off oil and out of debt.
I did not feel ignored by him at all.

And what is so wrong with looking at the big picture?

He is a humanitarian and he walks the walk. I adore him.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:42 PM
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30. That all developed under Ford, Remember his campaign slogan
WIN..Whip Inflation Now.. Carter inherited the mess and then came the Iran Hostage Crisis. Notice though because Carter didn't go all Rambo on those Iranians every hostage came home safely...I believe if a Republican had been in office at the time every one of them would have been killed plus about a million Iranians.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:52 PM
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35. The President doesn't have a whole lot of control over those things
Reagan didn't wave a magic wand and make gas prices go down. OPEC collapsed because of the Iran/Iraq war. And inflation was brought down mostly because of Paul Volker, who was appointed by Carter.
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:11 PM
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13. I always wondered where we could have been by now
If we'd only paid attention to just his energy policies.

Carter said we needed to conserve energy and learn austerity. Reagan ran against him by saying, "no we don't, let's party".

Reagan had the solar panels Carter put on the White House removed. So. Who was correct?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:11 PM
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14. I remember his term well too--he accomplished a lot and was ahead of his time
especially on energy policy. If we had followed his lead we would be much better off as a nation today. But he didn't handle the political part of being president well. That hurt him.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:15 PM
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15. How right-wing media spin of you
What a dumb thing to say in this day and age. Wow - the ignorance just drips off that statement.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:26 PM
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22. Hey,I lived through it,was an adult with a family,and remember it
well--------I don't need any media guidance to form and express and opinion based on my experience.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:40 PM
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27. I lived through it too, and disagree with you completely. I'd like to know what,
in your experience, makes you say that Carter was a "lousy" President.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:19 PM
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42. Here's why---it was tough for a family of 8.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 07:21 PM by virgogal
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01/the-economy-is-... /

I just remember them as difficult years and Carter was the man at the top.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:06 PM
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51. Yes, I was there too
...and I was even a Reagan Democrat due to my entering college at the time and I was worried about the economy. However, that was the worst vote of my life and I've never voted for a Republican since. I've also matured enough to realize that blaming Carter for the state of the nation at that point in history is incorrect and would require me to not have matured since 1980. I'm surprised that you haven't re-examined your misperceptions about Carter. Listen to "Our Endangered Values" on tape - narrated by Jimmy himself, then see if you feel the same way.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:43 PM
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31. I disagree
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:45 PM by lunatica
He was one of the best Presidents this country has had.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:49 PM
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2. Damn right.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:49 PM by tabasco
The idiot freepers reveal their moral decadence when they revile this great man.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:49 PM
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3. I love Jimmy Carter
big time.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:56 PM
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7. How did you come up with your DU handle?
Your one of the best DU'ers out there.. Peace and low stress my friend
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:19 PM
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17. LOL
my general feeling of malaise re the planet under Bush, but I was very familiar with Carter's speech re the Crisis of Confidence.

The Wingnuts called that the Malaise speech but it was one of the great speeches of all time - if only people had taken him seriously re both the oil crisis and the crisis...

:hi:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:32 PM
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24. I've always watched your posts here
I thought ya chose that name because Carter never said the word "malaise" in that speech. I've often wondered about your DU handle. Now I know the story!
:)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:37 PM
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26. I love your peace and low stress line
There are more than a few of us here who try to live that line. :fistbump:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:56 PM
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9. President Carter said what he said about racism because he believed it...not for politics
a rare species in politics
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:21 PM
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18. No one will ever say that Carter didn't speak the truth about
South Africa, Israel, George Bush or racism. What I love most about Carter is that he is fearless. He should be taken way more seriously but the corporate hacks refuse to have a discussion on anything that condemns their modus operandi. So they attempt to ridicule him. Fuck them.

History will be very kind to Carter and the same is not true for the tools at M$Greedia.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:24 PM
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20. that's what prompted this post...
the 'news' was saying how this was politically what the Obama administration DID NOT WANT right now, especially after a week of joe the liar.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:33 PM
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25. Like they care
They don't want this discussion.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:56 PM
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8. He is a great man, and he was a good president
but the propaganda bely that.

Yes, there was the malaise... here is a clue, that was the price the nation paid for trying to pay for both guns and butter. That should a lesson for the current white house, but lets not go there.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:07 PM
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10. Exactly. If you don't believe Carter you are wrong
99% of the time.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:08 PM
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11. One of the best human beings who ever lived.
And I consider him qualified to offer an opinion on racism in this country.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:27 PM
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23. Actually he's qualified to offer an opinion on most things
in the country, but since he's from Georgia I'm betting he's supremely qualified on that subject.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:45 PM
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33. Nope. Obama will be the most noble.
Yup, Obama. And don't you dare disagree with me.

Ok, got to go play chess now.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:47 PM
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34. with all due respect, he'll have to prove himself...i'm sure you're right, though.
i think they will both carry that distinction.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:42 PM
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44. I'm just being silly.
We will have to wait and see on that one about Obama.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:50 PM
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45. i knew it ......
:hi:
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:53 PM
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36. Georgia is my home
and I may have been a teenager, but I well remember my relief when Jimmy Carter became Governor after that laughingstock Lester Maddox. He brought honor back to the office.

President Carter is one of my heroes.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:09 PM
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38. 'ol lester was a scary piece of work...hard to believe he got elected to anything
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:18 PM
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41. KO about to show evidence on why Carter is right
Go Keith
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:11 PM
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:53 PM
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46. Jimmy Carter
will be remembered as a great American. He has done umpteen great things for the country and the world as a citizen, more than he could have accomplished as President.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:13 PM
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49. He's an elder statesman
That puts him way above the political fray
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:51 PM
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50. Most of the economic problems during his term...
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:51 PM by roamer65
were a result of Nixon's horrible economic policies. Carter had to try to clean up after Nixon's massive inflation of the money supply and delinking of the dollar-gold peg.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:09 PM
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52. Jimmy is the man!
:D
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:12 PM
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53. Greatest President ever! Not a political bone in his body.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:46 PM
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54. thanks for the OP
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:48 PM
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55. Go Jimmy go!
Kick&Recommended.. :kick: :kick: :kick:
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:50 PM
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56. Now follow his example....where you see racism....call it out
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