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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:25 PM
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A clear photo of 9/12 protesters NOT on the Mall
I'm sorry, but I've been pretty obsessed the past few days with the right wing blogs that continue to spew this 1.5 - 2 million garbage for the protests. I know that they don't deserve any time, but it's really fun when you realize they finally get it...and of course stop commenting/posting (they would never admit it).

Anyway, I could not find a single clear picture of an empty Mall, until now:



Notice the big blue buses in the background? They're parked on 3rd St. All of that stuff in the background (and most likely the people walking up and down the Mall paths) is associated with the Black Family Reunion, which was taking place from 7th to the Washington Monument (betcha didn't know that! Talk about being ignored by the media).

I know that not many will care, but if there are any others obsessed with this, here is a tool to use.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:27 PM
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1. Looks closer to 25,000 to me.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:28 PM
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3. Don't do that.
There were a lot of people there. There is no need to start lying like them.

If I was pinned down and forced to declare a number, it would be 69,000.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:30 PM
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7. Nope, I counted them, including the press, there are only 1323. That's it.
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Stables2010 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:01 AM
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49. I agree!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:32 PM
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8. When Park Police used to do estimates, 4th street was considered the 50,000 mark
Just sayin'.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:34 PM
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13.  maybe
but not in that picture. No freakin way does that picture show anything close to 69K
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:51 PM
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30. Oh, you're right. But remember: I've been obsessed.
There are more pictures that actually show people on the sides of the Capitol. There were legitimately a lot of people there.

I have known all along that there weren't that many people beyond the reflecting pool because I was down there, on the side path of the Mall (I live in DC and I just had to see it, but I couldn't bring myself to cross 3rd St).

Incidentally, this also explains all of those "comparison" pictures the wingers are showing of 9/12 and the inauguration. Of course the Mall (which is depicted in their picture) is litter-free; NONE OF THEM WERE ON THE MALL.

I'm still sticking by my roughly 70,000 estimate. There was a lot of hate down there that day, make no mistake.
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:35 PM
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16. I thought it was more like 48,000
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:35 PM
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17. I'm sorry I meant about 75 Chickenhawks and
47,925 sheep
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:50 PM
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29. "And 69,000 were trampled in the rush, for in those days the King's word was law!"
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:54 PM
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44. I'd agree with you.
Give me a 180 degree pan and I'd see many more people to the left and especially the right, up the road.

Alot of people around here are doing the "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" thing.

I could put on blinders and only see 12 people if I wanted to sit at home and pretend the battle is over.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:30 PM
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6. I zoomed in in PhotoShop...
and I individually counted each person... it was 2 million people. Or was that 2 million pixels?

Anyway... this proves Glenn Beck is right!

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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:58 PM
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33. I'm downloading that jpg - hilarious!!
:rofl: :rofl:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:28 PM
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2. And the Black Family Reunion was also held the same day. Which
means some of those pictured further back are part of that gathering.

Is there a high-res version of this pic somewhere?

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LurkerJohn Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:42 PM
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22. Here's a larger picture
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:47 PM
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24. Welcome to DU.
If every single pixel in that photo, including the sky, trees, bushes and buildings was a person, there would be 700,000 people there. :rofl:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:49 PM
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27. Welcome to DU. You realize that photo is pretty much proof that the DC Fire Department
was being fairly generous, don't you?
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:01 PM
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36. So that's 1.5 million, right?
Right?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:12 PM
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40. Wow!
That's sure a lot of whack-job idiots in one place.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:02 PM
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45. Thanks. Hadn't seen that one. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:34 PM
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48. ALL the anti-war rallies I went to, and the Inauguration included, had MUCH larger turn-outs.
That is pathetic.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:29 PM
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4. Compare/contrast.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:34 PM
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14. I know, right. The contrast is so drastic.
I think that I will forever get a laugh out of the "ZOMG!!!! WE GOT MORE THAN OBAMA!!!!!" hysteria out of those losers on Sunday and Monday. Priceless.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:39 PM
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19. Inauguration was a sea of humanity and not just at the Mall.
But all the way back to G Street at my workplace.

The FReeps barely made a rat's fart.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:12 PM
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39. Exactly right, and that's what they don't understand.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 01:13 PM by jpljr77
In DC, there was no impact whatsoever on Saturday, I guess unless you were trying to drive down Penn Ave to the Capitol, or something. We were out of there by 2pm, with no problems on Metro.

Really funny story: a friend of mine came over to my house to watch a football game that night. He got on the Red Line at Dupont at 4pm and came all the way to Silver Spring (for those that don't know, that trip takes you right through downtown). He made it in his usual time (well, usual time plus the Fort Totten delays, of course). In fact, he had forgotten about the protest until he saw some of the poor souls on the train. He said the trains were pretty full, but it wasn't Tokyo rush hour stuff or anything.

Inauguration crippled DC. So much so that while I was very, very happy, I'll admit I was a little put off. People were EVERYWHERE.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:46 PM
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43. Inauguration people were HAPPY!
These bastards are the most ignorant and miserable mutts you've ever seen. Granted protestors never are happy but sheesh...
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:41 PM
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55. We even walked down the freeway, HA!
Ah, what memories, thanks for the reminder! :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:29 PM
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5. Excellent work! Kick, Rec, Bookmarked and Twittered. n/t
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:32 PM
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9. That is nowhere near 70,000 people. That's a tiny space on the mall and they are not tightly packed.
I say less than 25,000.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:33 PM
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12. Teeth, 70,000 teeth.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:41 PM
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21. Now you know that 70K Pug teeth means a whole lot more People than 70K dem teeth, right?
n/t
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:44 PM
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23. I figure they average 3.4 teeth per pug.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:50 PM
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28. The ratio is expected to be lower next year.
With meth addiction running rampant and the steadily aging pug population.

Now firearms per pug? Significantly putting us to shame.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:33 PM
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10. The people pictured represent..
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:39 PM by tridim
About 50 yards worth of the lower deck of one side of a typical football stadium.



There are about 4 times more people at this NC State football game.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:33 PM
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11. On top of the buses, the tents represent another function
completely unaffiliated with teh teabaggers.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:34 PM
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15. That's a lot less than 70,000.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:38 PM
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18. I've been to Dead shows with more people.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:54 PM
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32. So, uh... Can you name one, just one...
Dead show that DIDN'T have more people??????
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:15 PM
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41. As a matter of fact, I've been to Dead shows with only
several hundred people. Of course that was back in the Avalon ballroom days and Big Brother was still doing free concerts at Speedway meadows.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:10 AM
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51. .....
:mad: (jealous)
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:09 AM
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50. LOL....not if you count the parking lot
:toast:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:40 PM
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20. Epic crowd size failure on the part of the Teabaggers.
Lying does not make it so.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:48 PM
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25. Uh-oh...we need to have another look at this whole thing:
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 01:01 PM by Subdivisions
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_pa...

You'll have to disengage your pop-up blocker...

Looks like there's a few more in the wings.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:48 PM
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26. Best pic to date
Thanks
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:52 PM
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31. A thread in your honor
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:59 PM
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34. OK so what about the guy counting people passing traffic cameras?
I'll post a link on edit or separate post if and when I find it.

He's got about a 10 page rant proving (at least in his mind) that 2 million people passed the traffic cameras on their way. Where they actually ended up - who knows.

If we scrutinize it, I'll bet we find that for those kind of numbers, they'd have to be jogging past in perfect lockstep doin' about 30 mph.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:09 PM
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47. Finally found it
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:01 PM
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35. Looks like a weak turn out. Good to see their movement dying out.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:03 PM
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37. I've seen more TOURISTS on the mall than that pathetic crowd.
Two million my ass.

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:07 PM
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38. This was obviously taken before everybody got there.
Or after almost everybody had left.

:sarcasm:
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:45 PM
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42. FOLLOW UP: So why am I so obsessed?
This is Fox News YESTERDAY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmtlfiJeLQ

That "university study" Beck cites? Here it is: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19743935/The-Real-Number-of-P... . Beck describes it as a big shit university study, when it looks like some student threw it together in 2 hours, a student that had an agenda of course.

The reason I'm so obsessed is that a highly rated "news" outlet is letting him do this. He's lying, straight up, and he knows it. It's really, really, really disheartening.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:21 PM
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46. Look at it this way.
It doesn't matter how many people were there. Obama won the election and will be president for the next 3 years. If he does a good job you can add 4 more on to that. This election wasn't even close, not in the popular vote or in the electoral college. But there were 59 million people who didn't vote for him and some of them will be in our face as long as Obama is President. It doesn't change the fact that they still lost.

Many more marched against the Iraq War and it didn't matter. In the words of Dick Cheney, "So?"

So back at them with "SO?" even if they claim 10 million people marched against Obama. Well, 69 million voted for him and that's what counts. These teaparties are just a side show.

In reality, these people are irrelevant.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:03 PM
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52. For comparison....


Here's something I was messing around with after Inauguration Day. Notice that the block of the mall I chose to compare is empty in the OP's picture. My initial guess is that the Inauguration was at least ten times larger than this event.

There is a damned good reason to deflate the erroneous claims of the right-wing protesters. Most of them have a mental pathology which requires them to believe they are part of a majority of like-minded individuals. (Remember that "we are a Christian nation" bullshit just after the election? That's part of it, too.) Once they firmly believe they are the majority, they then turn their attention to being hostile to everyone who isn't. Racism is part of it, but it's really more about hiding in the safety of numbers.

If one can make them feel like they are a minority themselves, they will be motivated to change the way they think, if only so they can feel less frightened. We need them to do that. They need to do that, because currently they're being hoodwinked by their fascist leaders and support an agenda that is clearly not in their best interests, or ours. And, slapping them in the face with the wet scrod of truth once in awhile forces them to see the world a little more as it is, rather than the fantasy land in which they wish they were living.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:07 PM
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53. See post #22... they're now rationalizing that it doesn't matter if they're a tiny minority.
:rofl:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:16 PM
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54. Well, someone's trying to rationalize it, but rationality ain't their strong suit.
Maybe we should point out that number of people who were on the mall on January 20 could eat every single one of the protesters out there last week in a single afternoon.
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