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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:08 AM
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Why is Joe Scum so upset with Jimmy Carter's comment
It's the truth. Mika STFU - it is not an irresponsible comment.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:12 AM
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1. Joey Scarblow is never happy
when Democrats speak the truth. And it's damned difficult to heap scorn on a former POTUS who has done nothing but good works since he left office.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:13 AM
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2. It's irresponsible to deny it.
n/t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:13 AM
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3. Cause It's Gospel Truth...
...and Rushpublicans can't deal with reality and the truth. Like you had to ask? :rofl:

:hi:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:19 AM
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4. I think Carter's comment, was a little irresponsible because it makes things harder
for Obama and for us as Blacks.

I don't think it is an overwhelming amount of the objection to Obama is racist but a portion is.

Being Black in America is tough. Part of it is finessing the passion of the racist, I've done it, all of us have. The way you have to do it is by doing your job well and by well I mean 1000% better than a white person and not calling attention to the racism.

I'm pretty sure Obmama winced a bit after he heard about Carter's comments.


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:55 AM
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7. and still. good men such as Carter, esp. a former president, have every right & in a way
a responsibility to stand up against it, as a white man.

Carter will never mince words about racism - and for him to say it is forcing the issue - we need these issues forced. President Obama will be fine regardless of what anyone says on his behalf. He got elected with a lot of people saying things for him that were very confrontational.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:27 AM
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25. Who said he didn't have the right? GEEZ!
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:58 AM
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28. I can relate to what you are saying even though I am white.
It was terribly timing on Carter's part. I cringed when I heard it. Obama is scheduled on all the talk shows this week-end so he can push health care reform and now all they will want to talk about is Jimmy Carter's comments. It is also true that every time "race" comes to the forefront Obama drops in his approval ratings. People are uncomfortable with the issue and they become negative. We need to talk about racism but the reality of the situation is that the timing for Obama was terrible.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 AM
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29. So what timing would be better?
"We need to talk about racism ...": if not NOW, when?

Obama can certainly keep his TV appearances focused on health care reform; he's the Big Cheese and doesn't need to talk about what the Talking Heads want to push as their latest offensive offensive.

The fact is that if Carter hadn't said what he did, those same Talking Heads would have found something else to take the emphasis off health care. The MSM are NOT "friends" to progressives, nor are they friendly to health care reform. Carter simply named the nasty elephant in the room and because HE said it, that nasty elephant is now out there for everyone to see, not only in the US but globally because Carter has a lot of prestige in the international sphere.

No wonder the Rethugs are scrambling frantically for cover.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:58 AM
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31. I hope you are correct but the media always controls the debate.
The Gates story totally dominated Obama's new conference which was supposed to be about health care. I believe he only got one question on health care. It is the nature of the beast.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:29 AM
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51. It's also more proof, if such is needed, that the "liberal media" meme is nothing but a myth.
But that doesn't mean that truth shouldn't be spoken. In fact, it means that there is a greater responsibility for us all to insist on learning and speaking the truth. We will generally not get it from the MSM.
Interestingly, the Newseum in Washington, DC, where I visited this summer while I was in the area, actually has a (quite small) statement in one of the exhibits to the effect that he who owns and controls the presses makes and writes the news. They even admit it! Even NPR and PBS have been infested with Bush RW appointees, so while they are better than most, they are not as good as they once were.
If Carter hadn't made this statement, which is the truth, the MSM would have seized upon something much more trivial to distract and divert from the health care debate. Their principal technique IS distraction.
So let's at least get them talking about something that is not trivial.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:17 AM
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55. Yeah, you are right.
It is not usually in my nature but am being a little pessimistic these day. Carter's statement was the whole truth and anyone with half a brain or half a heart realizes it. We do need to keep chipping away.
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jasi2006 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:39 AM
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44. The truth always makes things harder. nt
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:20 AM
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5. me thinks
it struck a chord deep inside Scarbotough and Barnicle(closet racists)
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:39 AM
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6. Carter's right.
The racism isn't expressed in overt terms in a lot of cases. These people don't swing nooses, wear hoods and sheets,
and use pejorative terms such as n***** in public. They are more savvy about the press and how it looks or at least
the people who lead them are. These coarse expressions are for use where the cameras aren't running.

Now these people have moved to disguise their bigotry. They are using indirect methods, but it is heard. They are
dog-whistling to a certain audience. They do not believe that an African American can run the country. They also
don't believe he will even-handed. They are scared to death that he is really going to use the power of his office to
strike back at white people, and redress years of inequality.

Why do they believe this? They believe it because they know that when whites have held the governmental reins, they have enacted unfair measures against minorities. Every measure taken by the Obama administration is seen through this lens of fear. The policies can't possibly be enacted to help the entire nation. They are really going to strike at them.

The South has come a long way. The people who are racist are less in number. However, they are louder now so the change isn't evident. To deny that there has been change is to denigrate those who have changed and broken with the past. There is still much work to be done, but people do keep pushing against the bigotry.

While the South is home to more people of this ilk, Carter was right to point out that it is evident everywhere. It behooves all of us to recognize it in other areas and call it out. Otherwise, it will flourish and grow in other places that aren't so obvious.

Am I racist? I have asked myself this a lot over the years. I grew up in SC, and I think I had to have absorbed some of the worst traits. However, I try to be aware of my actions and catch myself and think about what I really may be doing. I thank my parents deeply for not crippling me with virulent racism. The worst of it wasn't approved of when I was growing up.

I remember shopping at Belk's department store with my mother when I was little. The water fountains had signs above them that said "Coloreds only" and "White's only." I always went to the one marked "Colored." I was sadly disappointed when the water wasn't red, blue, and green. I was vexed by that, and it didn't dawn on me for a long time what was really meant. I was always thinking differently I guess.

grits
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:56 AM
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8. Nice post grits
They're only louder because of the internet and more access to the media.
:hi:
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:00 AM
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9. Thanks!
The intertubes will kill them yet. They have shown a propensity for stepping in it when trying to Twitter, email, and even an old standard-the microphone.

There are really quite a few people trying here. As of late, it has been hard to see after Sanford, Wilson, Demint, and company fill the airwaves.
:hi:
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:11 AM
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13. yeah, payback's a bitch. and they... well, i guess that would be WE, as i am white...
would deserve it. projection.... assuming that others would do what YOU would do.... very telling. But I don't know many who are interested in payback. People just want to be treated like everyone else and have the same rights and privileges as everyone else.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:16 AM
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16. I don't know many either.
I just think some of the hysteria is projection whether they realize it or not.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:51 AM
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24. Yes he is
I remember the days when a 'colored' wasn't welcome in my hometown of about 1100 or so lost souls. I remember it well when I was in high school and working at a gas station when one day a black family stopped to buy gas and use the bathroom and the owner, my boss, came out from behind his desk with a look on his face like I hadn't seen before ranting and raving telling the family to move on down the road, pointing toward the west where about 12 miles or so you come to the town where I reside today telling them there's a bunch of you son'a'bitches over there. That moment is etched in my brain to be relived by me many times over. Thankfully we lived far enough out in the country that I didn't go to town much so I wasn't exposed to this kind of behavior much. My parents may have been dirt poor but they were never racist towards anyone.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:57 AM
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47. Well said
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:57 AM by wicket
:thumbsup:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:02 AM
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10. If anyone would know racism, it would be someone from south Georgia..
That grew up in the middle of the last century.

Someone like Jimmy Carter.

I know because I grew up there and then too.



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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:09 AM
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12. The approach this morning is obfuscation
Ignore the teabaggers, ignore the racism on FOX and pretend it's not going on because after all they voted for him and he had 70% approval in the beginning.
Jonathan is making the most sense.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:12 AM
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14. I turned it on
and Joe is saying Republicans showed viciousness towards the Clintons that they DON'T show Obama? Seriously?

What did Jonathan say?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:53 AM
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27. I don't watch any of that crap..
Gave up on TV several years ago, my blood pressure is much the better for it..

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:15 AM
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39. And THAT's what Scarborough's upset about
He can't say that Carter "doesn't know the South" or is some kind of carpetbagger. Scarborough knows that Carter is a lot more experienced in the finer points and nuances of racism, and prejudice that has the good taste not to drop trou at the cotillion anymore, but still lingers like dust in the corners of the house where the broom doesn't quite reach.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:09 AM
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11. it's irresponsible for carter to tell the truth, but perfectly ok for congress members to
disrespect a sitting president during an address to congress. it's perfectly ok for a group of white, republican congressmen to openly show disrespect to the president in the house chambers. i mean, that one image of all of them sitting there with such disdain on their faces and derision says it all for me. THAT'S ok... but for jimmy carter to tell the truth about why there is such disrespect and undermining of this president.... THAT"S irresponsible. STFU joe!
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:15 AM
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15. I made the mistake of turning it on and, of course, no racism
exists and this is all honest dissent. What a load of Bull! At some point, we need to loudly call these people out.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:23 AM
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17. They all got their marching orders. chuck toad on now. Despite
seeing all those racist signs, scabby still continues to refuse to believe that racism is a factor.

He's very good at sticking his head in the sand when it suits him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:25 AM
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18. One of my daughters
turned on the Mourning Joe show a few minutes ago. I turned it off.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:48 AM
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23. Me too. TCM has a 1930-1940 English movie on that is pretty
awful but is still better than those two...LOL
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:28 AM
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19. What did they think Joe Sixpack was all about in the campaign?
The Thugs are all about code words and innuendo. Jimmy Carter is right. We've known this all along. All the thugs have left is racism, and they are desperate.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:31 AM
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20. It hit way too close to home
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:35 AM by CakeGrrl
I'm sure Scar's heard his share of racist screed from his fellow Republican colleagues, and plenty as a white Southerner...and who knows how much he's said himself?

And as another white Southerner who came up well before the Civil Rights Act was passed, Carter knows of what he speaks, and Scarborough knows that. He's just angry at airing the dirty laundry.

Hell, Robert Byrd should pile on - he's a reformed Klansman.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:36 AM
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21. Wow....Bartiromo is really worried about class warfare.
Dyson did a good job but he's sitting there trying to talk to a group of clueless bubble people.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:38 AM
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22. did they really say that
they were at a summit for FORTUNE MAGAZINE? Jesus Christ, look at them. A bunch of white people dressed up, against a tiki torch or something.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:08 AM
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33. Dyson was excellent
Even Joe Scum was running from himself
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:10 AM
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34. He was great. I especially liked when he called out the logical
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:10 AM by CBR
fallacy regarding the comparison of hatred for Clinton/Bush with Obama. Yes, there were crazy rumors about Clinton (see murder Vince Foster); however, that does not exclude the racial elements of the anti-Obama crazies.

Edit: punctuation
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:36 AM
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42. Yeah, what was up with her?
I didn't catch how "class warfare" was connected to Carter's remarks.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:55 AM
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45. It wasn't but she inserted it before they went to station break after Joe tried
to shame his guests into saying that pointing out racist overtones is somehow racist itself and that the "extreme left" shouldn't engage is this type of calling out.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:57 AM
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48. She barked out "class warfare" a couple more times. In a kind of Tourette's fashion.
She is a classless, clueless, nincompoop.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:32 AM
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26. OMG...
...you are watching this crap, too?

My dog woke me up and she wanted out... and, gag, I turned on the TV and there was Joey Dead Intern Scab and Mika Mouse. I have not watched that bullshit show for ages... and today reminded me why I never turn them on unless it is a mistake.

:puke:

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:49 AM
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30. Because one get violently upset when someone confronts one's repressions.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:03 AM
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32. Joe sets the agenda and the talking points for the day.
He is an invaluable tool. It would be foolish to ignore him.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:37 AM
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43. Exactly. I've been saying that all along. The importance of watching
him is that he catapaults the talking points for the day and does so grinning like an alligator waiting to bite your ass off the minute you turn you back to tell your friend how well fed the zoo keeps it so it is harmless now.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:21 AM
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35. The Right screamed bloody murder when he brought up human rights too
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:26 AM by lunatica
He did it when he was President and the Right exploded. How dare he say anything against countries that torture!! How dare he! How dare he call them out on human abuses!

Carter has a long history of bringing up those pesky human rights issues.

The only difference between the pre-Obama years and now is that the racists are out of the closet now. They used to say the same things and use much worse language behind their hands and in whispers to each other. They always assumed that if they were talking to a white person that they were safe because they assumed all white people agree with them. They had choice words for white people who called them on their racism too.

All Carter did was bring it out into the open. I'm completely supportive of him.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:36 AM
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36. "It's the truth"
You answered your own question. The truth to a republican, is like Raid to a cockroach.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:08 AM
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37. Because when Republicans like Joe S. encounter the truth, it's burns them like acid. nt
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:10 AM
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38. As we say in the South,
"Hit dog hollers."
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:24 AM
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40. Lol! That is a new one on me, and a great saying. nt
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Sheri Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:26 AM
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41. because Joe is scum. the answer is embedded in the question.
;)
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:56 AM
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46. Because it's true and racists have to deny it.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:04 AM
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49. I wish that crew could have seen themselves. They looked like a bunch of idiots.
Mika looking like she was at a cocktail party and simpering "We're still trying to work through all of this..." as if she didn't really know why on earth ANYONE would say ANYTHING about race...goodness!
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:23 AM
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50. Maybe because truth hurts? n/t
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:33 AM
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52. Racists don't like to be called racist.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:35 AM
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53. Because white folks speaking out against - or even acknowledging - racism...
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:35 AM by BlooInBloo
Endangers the entire racism house of cards.

We've already effectively silenced black folks - just cry "reverse racism".

It all unravels if white folks stop playing along, however. Especially southern ones.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:36 AM
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54. Because President Carter is calling him out.
Bigots always get upset when they're called bigots. Especially when they pretend they're not bigots.

Oh, and BTW Joe, what about that dead intern in your office? HUH??
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