Are YOU for the Working People or The Corporation?

[Orwellian_Ghost]

I would suspect you (like me) are also one of the working folks and therefore support your rights. I could be wrong. What say ye DU?

[fascisthunter]

1. I'm with the Working People

[TxRider]

2. Actually I'm an executive, that founded my company... ;)

But I take the best care of my employees I can.

[Initech]

3. Man of the people.

[anonymous171]

4. 100% for the working man. nt

[tavalon]

5. I'm a union nurse

I'm guessing that should give you my answer.

[Laelth]

6. k&r for labor, as I have often posted. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Luminous Animal]

7. Daughter, sister, and niece of long time union members

and, when necessary, agitators. Union. Solidarity. 100%.

[lunatica]

8. Hard working woman union member here

Definitely of the people and definitely not of

[orleans]

9. weird question for du. why do you ask? n/t

[Luminous Animal]

10. A lot of union bashers here.

[HamdenRice]

17. Like the OPer who regularly cites WSWS, which calls American unions a criminal conspiracy

The party whose organ the OPer regularly cites is anti-union, anti Labour Party, anti-Green, anti-Democrat and anti any other left of center grouping that is not part of their five or six person Trotskyite fringe party.

Google them. They are specifically anti union and opposed to strikes by unions.

[jonnyblitz]

18. you're getting quite adept at red baiting there, sparky.

:crazy:

[HamdenRice]

21. Whose red baiting? The WSWS party was founded to oppose Communist and Socialist parties

Read their history. They hate all other factions of the left. They started out as an anti-Soviet party (ie pro-Trotsky, anti-Lenin), but also despised the main democratic Socialist parties of Western Europe. Then they split from the already marginal Trotskyite "mainstream." Then they attacked traditional trade unions.

If anyone is a red baiter, it's WSWS and the "useful idiots" who spread their lies.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

22. You've lost it

http://www.wsws.org/category/feature/workers.shtml

Not only is your post upstream mistaking me for someone else but your steady stream of smears indicates how sad you've become.

Check above link for all sorts of "anti-worker" stuff.

[HamdenRice]

23. You're going to cite WSWS on WSWS? WSWS is called "sick and reactionary" by real Marxists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Socialist_Web_Site
The World Socialist Web Site is the online news and information center of the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI). It supports and helps campaign for the Socialist Equality Parties in elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Committee_of_the_Fourth_International
The International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) is a Trotskyist international. Its affiliated parties are called the Socialist Equality Party and have sections and supporters in 6 countries. It is well known for its publication of the World Socialist Web Site, with content in 13 different languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Equality_Party

Workers' Struggles and the Trade Unions

Although some members<2> of the SEP are union members, the party does not seek to facilitate any sort of social change through the Trade Unions<3>, which they characterize as having interests antithetical to the workers they represent. The Party calls for a break with these organizations and the formation of "workplace committees" that will carry on economic struggles.

<end quotes>

It's an anti-trade union movement.

Period. QED.

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2002w48/msg00140.htm
The last time I checked out a literature table of this group was at the
April 20 antiwar demonstration.

The table carried material supporting the slander campaign against Hansen,
as well as the related slander campaigns against Jack Barnes and 11 other
SWP members who attended Carleton College as CIA agents, and material
supporting the frameup of Mark Curtis, a meatpacker and SWP member in Iowa
who, while he was involved in defending immigrant workers arrested in an INS
raid at his plant, was railroaded to jail for eight years on rape and
burglary charges.

Also, the Socialist Equality Party appears to have a position opposing
unions and strikes. While this formally resembles the sectarian positions
held by the basically defunct Socialist Labor Party, I think it is an
extension of disruptive activities the Workers League carried out at plant
gates, union picket lines, and other union activities.

While the World Socialist Website may have its attractive features -- North
has a lot of rebuilding to do, after all -- I believe that what lies behind
it is as sick and reactionary as the Workers League ended up being.

<end quote>

WSWS various political organs are, as has been noted often anti-union, anti-strike, primarily dedicated to disrupting other left wing organizations, and is "sick and reactionary."

Hence the constant attacks on unions, Democrats, British Labour, European Socialists, Greens, and even Communists.

[Stevedore]

42. Mark Curtis was guilty as sin.

Learn to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Curtis_%28SWP_member%29

It's probably more noteworthy that the entire "left" ran to the defense of a man who raped a working class black girl in front of her brother. Curtis' innocence was, of course, maintained by a group, the SWP, who are quite likely a cop front.

Consider two things:

1) Joseph Hansen admitted to having meetings with the FBI.
2) The main core of the current SWP leadership is comprised of 12 students from Carlton College, a small conservative college in the midwest of the type that the intelligence community regularly recruits from.
3) They were recruited to the Minneapolis Branch at a time when it was moribund.
4) These members were appointed to the leadership of the SWP with the blessing out the outgoing leader Farrell Dobbs, who admitted he knew nothing about them.

"Also, the Socialist Equality Party appears to have a position opposing
unions and strikes. While this formally resembles the sectarian positions
held by the basically defunct Socialist Labor Party, I think it is an
extension of disruptive activities the Workers League carried out at plant
gates, union picket lines, and other union activities."

Sources and specific examples, please.

[HamdenRice]

25. Proof, meet the crickets! nt

[mike_c]

31. where did you get THAT information...?

The WSWS is the web site of the ICFI-- I find it precisely the opposite of your description. Odd. Are you deliberately spreading misinformation or are you perhaps mistaken?

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[anonymous171]

11. A lot of "fiscal conservative, socially liberal" individuals on here. nt

[HughBeaumont]

19. My Red-X Toilet is loaded with posters . . . .

. . . whose economic beliefs are camped on the free-trader Friedman side of the fence, rather than the Thom Hartmann side. Pro-offshoring, pro-Big Business, pro-Globalization, and they're even cold and condescending about it. You wouldn't believe the comments that got them put in there. It's like, "what the hell are you even doing on a Democratic board?"

[wroberts189]

12. I say aye .. I am with the people. nt

[Oregone]

13. I was born and stay with the people. But if you are offering me an exec job with exorbiant pay...

Im also an easy sell-out.

:)

[leftstreet]

14. K&R

[Norrin Radd]

15. kr

[slampoet]

16. i am a business owner and i am still for LABOR

NOT JUST THE WORKING PEOPLE BUT LABOR.

[blindpig]

20. Illustrated:

k&r

[Starry Messenger]

27. I just saved that illustration.

I've never seen it put so clearly before. Thank you for posting that.

[mike_c]

35. me too....

It's going on my office door this afternoon!

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Union member since age 20

or 19 or something like that. Forever.

[el_bryanto]

26. I'm for the working people

But reserve the right to determine whether any individual program is good or bad for the working people.

Bryant

[mike_c]

28. solidarity....

No question at all.

[HamdenRice]

29. Is the $25 million owner of WSWS part of the "working people" ? nt

[mike_c]

32. are you?

I think that's the question the OP asks. Attempting to discredit the source, rather than answering a rather simple question is disingenuous ab best, and a common strategy of the right wing. No snark intended. The OP asks a simple question. What's your position?

[Stevedore]

40. $25 Million is a lot compared to what Obama gave to banks

[trayfoot]

30. Workers! And, I strongly support Unions!

[Individualist]

33. Absolutely for the workers and the unions.

[dem629]

34. Both. One would not exist w/o the other.

[mike_c]

36. so before there were corporations-- i.e. before they existed...

...there was no working class? Methinks your understanding of history has a few blank spots....

[blindpig]

37. kick n/t

[woofless]

38. Workers of the world unite!

[earth mom]

43. WTF?! Why doesn't this thread have a 100 + recs?!

:wtf: