It's tinfoil hat time!

[Javaman]

(haven't done one of these in a while)

I think I have figured out why the repukes are so insanely against a public option or any sort of change in health care. It also dovetails into their anti-union stance.

It's so we can have a larger army to take over the world.

What's that you say? What am I smoking? Did I eat some bad fish?

Well, it's like this. As our premiums go up, as our co-pays go up, as our coverage goes down, what will be the state of health care in this nation if no reforms are done?

Well, unless you are 65 or over, you are out of luck or if you are in...the military!

The repukes have been trying their hardest over the years to kill both medicare and social security under the banner that "GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!!!". Screaming in that frothy sort of way.

What will be left? The VA. Our soldiers and vets will be the only ones (aside from members of congress. they are soooo very special after all), that will have health care.

Yeah, I titled this a tin foil hat theory, because, well, it is a little crazy, but given the current landscape of nuts, it really doesn't seem all that far fetched to be honest.

[get the red out]

1. In keeping with your theory

you could include the fact that they have been cutting back on student aid for higher education for so long that unless you have money the only way to not graduate buried in debt is to go into the military.

[Javaman]

11. Good one. I forgot about that. nt

[BonnieJW]

14. That was Al Franken's theory for college aid cuts.

[el_bryanto]

2. What is the purpose of an even larger military? What nations do conservatives want to conquer?

Bryant

[ShortnFiery]

4. Methinks Iran and Venezuela are in the sights of some wingnuts? eom

[el_bryanto]

8. OK. This seems a roundabout way of getting that. n/t

[Javaman]

7. Take your pick. It's all about resources anyway. What do we need more of?

Bolivia has lithium. China has rare metals. And there is always the old standby: oil.

Show me a war and I will show you why it was actually fought. There are always a number of reasons, but they always boil down to resources.

More land, more oil, more wealth (gold, spice, textiles) or population (slaves. I'm talking historically).

Wars are very rarely started over revenge, bragging rights or "doing the right thing". But I'm sure you know all of this.

Cheers!

[el_bryanto]

12. That's a simplistic way of looking at it

Wars are fought for a number of reasons; resources are regularly part of it. But to say they are the "real" reason is simplistic, particularly in a Democracy (or Democratic Republic).

On the other hand, maybe we really could use more lithium.

Bryant

[Javaman]

Of course it's simplistic, I said, "when you boil it down".

sigh.

[Soylent Brice]

18. you could do an entire OP on this.

[Javaman]

19. yeah, easily.

It has so many facets, it's almost hard to describe in a general sense.

However, trying to tie in statements from current repubs and recently retired ones would be hard to do in a detailed manner without putting words in their mouths, but if done from a larger point of view, it's hard not to see a pattern unfold.

[Soylent Brice]

20. agreed. the big picture is

the clearest.

[Soylent Brice]

23. add this nugget to back your theory up...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

trends are fun.

[Walk away]

13. I don't think it's about conquering....

It's my understanding that the neocons advocate endless war in the middle east. War is good. The neos are the military policy arm of the republican party. We need lots of red blooded American cannon fodder to keep this up. I'm not sure why it's this way. Money I guess.

[Javaman]

17. Not current wars, but if you reread my post, I was offering up

suggestions for wars, in historical context, in general.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Wasn't William Kristol saying that to Jon Stewert when Jon pounced...

and said that Kristol just said that Government healthcare was good.

[eleny]

5. Have you read Deer Hunting With Jesus, by Joe Bageant?

If not, you might want to treat yourself to this insightful book about the mentality of the wingnuts. Bageant grew up in that culture and he explains their motivations and why they think the way they do.

I believe that you're on the mark with your theory. No tin hat required.

[Javaman]

9. It's on my reading list. I may now push it to the top. :) nt

[eleny]

15. It helped me understand what we're up against....

You know, the "embrace ignorance" crowd.

[bugfragged]

6. I used to think this was a silly conspriacy theory...

...until a Right-Wing article practically admitted to that.

[Javaman]

10. You don't recall the article, do you? I would enjoy reading it. nt

[bugfragged]

24. I found this on Free Republic...

...though the Freepers probably didn't realize what the author was up to. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2331817/po...

[Soylent Brice]

16. i think that you're right in that this is just another piece of the fucked up puzzle they've

been trying to complete for decades.

K&R

[KansDem]

21. In the absence of a draft, your proposition sounds even more likely...

After Vietnam, even the staunchest neo-cons realized that the number of young men and women who would go to war for the oligarchy was limited. For awhile there, they must have thought the number was infinite.

Now, however, your idea is plausible: The ruling elite using the warrior class for its purposes...

I've often wondered if we were heading toward a "Garrison State"*
_______
*The Garrison State was a 1941 article in the American Journal of Sociology by political scientist and sociologist Harold Lasswell. It was a "developmental construct" that outlined the possibility of a political-military elite composed of "specialists in violence" in a modern state.

Lasswell was particularly influenced by the development of aerial warfare, especially as employed during the Second Sino-Japanese War, which he believed would lead to a "socialization of danger" throughout society. (Wikipedia)

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. And especially with the religious right involved, who believe in rapture and armageddon

and who really do think that the US is the nation of God that will be final victor and vehicle to bring an end to the devil himself.

That's why they support Israel so much - can't have armageddon (according their assholish and heretical reading of scripture) without Israel being a nation. They don't give a shit about Jews, except that their existence is necessary for bringing in the end times.


These fuckers seriously believe that they can make it all happen.

And the scariest thing is, with nukes, they can certainly kill an awful lot of people. And also scary is the number of Americans who believe that ignorant shit. And a big part of that is that the media - the so-called "liberal" media - gives NO attention to the mainline Christians, Jews, or Muslims, but instead the only picture of Christianity they ever offer is the rightwing, fundamentalist, dispensationalist, rapture-ready fucking slime. The falwells, dobsons, robertsons, lehayes, and so on.

The media never calls on or gives time to the Christians who actually know their tradition, know their scripture, and are educated enough to talk about it properly.