Judge Orders Sex Offender Back Under Bridge . . . (Miami) . . .

[OneBlueSky]

Judge Orders Sex Offender Back Under Bridge
Five Men Forced To Reside Under Julia Tuttle Causeway

http://www.local10.com/news/11826349/detail.html

MIAMI -- A convicted sex offender is forced to continue living under a Miami bridge after a judge turned down his request to go back to jail.

Kevin Morales, who has served his time and is on parole, asked a judge Thursday if he could go back to jail instead of living under the Julia Tuttle Causeway, but a judge denied his request.

The state ordered Morales and four other sex offenders to live under the bridge because the state has nowhere else to put them that would not be close to children. (my emphasis) . . .

The reason they are allowed to live outdoors is an ordinance intended to keep predators away from children, which makes it nearly impossible for them to find housing, County officials said.

- moe . . .

http://www.local10.com/news/11826349/detail.html

[bullimiami]

1. this is so criminal. what a fucked up government we have.

[Pro2nd]

2. Damn right, the Judge should've put him back in jail!

I'm tired of hearing all this B.S about "treatment" of child sex-predators. THEY CANNOT BE TREATED! Pedophilia is somewhat similar to homosexuality in that respect. (And, no, I'm not saying that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same). They are similar in that in both cases, it's not just something they do, it's WHAT THEY ARE. No amount of incarceration or beating will make a gay man suddenly attracted to women. No amount of punishment or "treatment" will make a pedophile no longer attracted to children. Is there anyone here that thinks that homosexuality should be "treated"? Thought not. For one reason, it won't work. Gay men will always be attracted to men and , being sexual creatures, will always attempt to have sexual contact with another gay man. Pedophiles will always be attracted to children and, if left to their own devices, will always try to have sexual contact with a child. I don't have all the answers, but pedophiles must be kept in such a place that they may NEVER have unsupervised contact with a child. A judge or parole board simply saying "now, Stanley, don't you be molesting any more little kids", then putting them on the street is simply not good enough. Pedophiles ALWAYS re-offend.

[RedCappedBandit]

3. My question is

how many of these "sex offenders" were really teenagers, dating slightly younger teenagers, when they were incriminated?

[Greyhound]

5. Or got caught taking a leak in an alley or some bushes. n/t

[juno jones]

8. Soliciting prostitutes can get one labeled as a 'sex offender' in some states

And when you get down to it, that's damn close to consensual sex between adults (albeit with money as an issue).

[Greyhound]

29. There was a story about a "sex offender" in LA a few months ago

that has carried that label for the last 15 or 20 years and all that goes with it. His crime? being gay in the fifties. Got caught parking with his lover in like 1958. Never been in trouble, never committed any crimes, but when the sheeple passed their sex offender notification laws in the 90's, the police tracked him down and arrested him for failing to register almost 40 years after the fact.

Now he's been forced out of his house (children in the neighborhood) and can't find a new place to live, it ruined his career (fortunately for him he was ready to retire), and is now in the database forever.

Left-wing fascism is just as bad as right-wing fascism. Makes me sick.

[Pro2nd]

6. I'll agree, that's a problem that needs to be addressed.

A 19 year-old boy having consensual sex with his 16 year-old girlfriend is not my definition of pedophilia. A pedophile is a 40 year-old man having sex with a 7 year-old girl.

[dysfunctional press]

7. so- you're saying that a certain segment of the population must be incarcerated...

for something that is not their fault, and that they have no control over...?

even after they have served the full sentence for any crime they might have comitted?

[Pro2nd]

9. Yep

It's not their fault that they're pedophiles; however, they DO have control over whether they put their dicks into children. Since you seem to be so sympathetic to his cause, why don't you just let him come bang your underage child any time he gets the urge. That way the rest of the kids will be safe from him. As for "serving their full sentence", I don't think that our joke of a criminal justice system is handing out good sentences. Edward Cashman giving a guy 60 days for repeatedly raping a little girl. Come On! My daughter's 7. One of these clowns tries to get his jollies with her, scarring her for life, I'll choke the fucking life out of him with my bare hands. I'd hate for his murder to later be categorized as a "gun death", so I'd leave it holstered.

[dysfunctional press]

10. i don't have children...but if i did i wouldn't expect the state to incarcerate a man for life...

because i couldn't handle the responsibility of keeping my own daughter safe.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. And that's exactly the stupid kind of argumet

that always shows up when somebody tries to discuss a rational approach to this problem: "Since you're so sympathetic, let him bang YOUR kids".

It's a really stupid argument, and it's right up there with "why do you hate America?!?"

[flying_monkeys]

13. Can I get a link to that case?

With Fed guidelines in place, I find it hard to believe that any Judge gave a man who repeatedly raped a child 60 days in jail... Can I get a link to that court case?

Also, trying to find a balance between locking up some one after they have served their time vs making them sleep under bridges is hardly inviting comments like "why don't you just let him come bang your underage child". There is a very real problem here with registered sex offenders - - *Where* do we house them, after they are released?

[trumad]

16. l

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4319605

[Zynx]

19. Yes. They are dangerous, so they don't get to be in society.

[dysfunctional press]

26. and if some people consider blacks to be dangerous...?

they don't get to be in society either?

if some people consider whites? hispanics? lesbians?

where does it end?

[MonkeyFunk]

11. that's simply not true

I've seen various studies, and it's just flat-out wrong that they always re-offend.

[Zynx]

20. "Always" is a big word. But the recitivist rate is enormous.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. No it's not

it's just one of those "facts" that everybody seems to know that just ain't so.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism


In that document from the US government, it says:

Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders


and you know how many sex offenders are re-arrested within three years for another sex offense? <6%

[trumad]

15. You know you could have easily used heterosexual instead of Gay

what a fucked up analysis.

[Pro2nd]

17. Sorry for the offense,

But nobody has ever suggested "treating" heterosexuality. Extreme liberals suggest that pedophiles need "treatment" and "therapy". The extreme right claims that homosexuals could be "treated" for their affliction as if it's a goddamn respiratory infection. The point was illustrate the stupidity of both sides.

[flying_monkeys]

21. If you believe they are born that way (pedophiles)

and they can't change, then what do you propose we (Society) do with them? We don't want our kids used by them, yet we can't really lock them in a free society for A) Following their innate natures in non-intimate contact(ie, talking about it) or B) Before they offend - - so what do you propose?


What do we do with the "potential" offenders before they violate laws?

[Pro2nd]

24. This applies to only the most extreme cases

and completed offenses, but life sentences sounds reasonable to me. It's either that, or banishment to a very isolated (no kids within 10 miles)area where they are monitored electronically. It seems harsh, but these people are just wired wrong. My emotional response is a .45 cal to the base of the skull, but once my brain kicks in, I'll settle for incarceration and isolation.

What's your answer?

[MadHound]

23. Actually,

If you go read the literature, studies, etc., you will find that both they can be treated, though the process is indeed long and costly. Pedophiles that is. Why you are bring up gays in this post is beyond me, but telling none the less. Anyway, we're not talking about just pedophiles here, we're talking about the wide arrange of offenses that fall under "sex offender". This can range from getting caught taking a drunken piss to being eighteen, having consenual sex with your sixteen/seventeen year old girlfriend, and much, much more. Lots of people who have made minor mistakes get slapped with the label of "sex offender" and are ruined for life, even though their transgressions are minor and they have served their time.

Then there is the question of where this is all leading. Today it is sex offenders and pedophiles, why not make their lives miserable, everybody hates them, they have no pity in our society. But what you're doing here with these sorts of laws and punishments is setting precedent, which in our judicial system is golden, all important. For once you have precendence, you can start right down that slippery slope and start applying that precedence to other crimes and other situations. Before you know it, burglars and drug dealers will be getting this sort of treatment. Why not? After all, we've already set precendence, based on the "high recividism rate" of sex offenders. And since burglars and drug dealers have a higher recividism rate, shouldn't they logically get the Scarlet Letter treatment? How far does this go then? How willing our you to tear up a few hundred years of jurisprudence just to get some blind(and I do mean blind) justice?

And again, your use of homosexuality as an example is suspicious at best. You may claim to not be equating the two, but to find them in this sort of juxtaposition is, well, awkward at best, and don't be suprised if some people find it downright offensive.

[nofurylike]

27. so, why didn't you say it is similar to heterosexuality? nt

[bullimiami]

30. In response to several of these posts...

Pro2nd.
Are you advocating life in prison for pedophiles?
Since they have done their allotted time and have been released we can either throw them back out on the streets or take responsibility for them.
This government cant be troubled with spending any money to deal with them so they force them to live, homeless, under a bridge.
That is a recipe for disaster.
I say, take responsiblity, spend what needs to be spent, put them on permanent probation, make sure they have work, a place to live and food to eat.

For you others who point out that people can be labelled 'sex offenders' when they shouldnt be, essentially lumping them in with pedophiles and ruining their lives. I agree. This government is on a crusade to stamp out immorality as they see it. Drug use, poverty, immoral sexual behavior ... some crimes should not be crimes but should be treated as social health issues.
This is a seperate issue from what should be done with actual sexual predators, who cant be released, unsupervised, back into the society without knowing that many of them are likely to repeat their offense.

[Toots]

31. Where does it say they were "child" sex-predators?

A lot of things can get one listed as a sex offender. A seventeen year old boy feeling up a fifteen year old girl for instance. Also we know law enforcement never ever makes a mistake so it is a fact every single one is guilty of the crime...:shrug:

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[LisaL]

14. I think that's awful.

No matter how much one dislikes sex offenders, keeping them under the bridge hardly seems like a good solution.

[HuffleClaw]

18. like common trolls ! n/t

[SoCalDem]

22. How Quaint.. Sex Trolls-Miami n/t

[Bozita]

25. oooo, I smell a reality show coming on

Kinda like "American Idol," but with sex offenders living under freeway bridges.