Maybe we deserve to be a minority party.

[RagAss]

Fuck this cowering bullshit. Now we've got Fox News deciding who gets hired and fired.

How does this end?

[NNN0LHI]

1. Short memory, eh?

[depakid]

21. Deserving- and the consequences- are two different matters

[polichick]

2. Hopefully with progressives taking the party back from corporate enablers. nt

[RagAss]

3. I pray.

[polichick]

4. Me too - for that and for Republican wackos to be raptured asap! nt

[Old Studentka]

22. HA!

Good one! :thumbsup:

[S_E_Fudd]

5. We are the minority party...

Doesn't matter what the official makeup of Congress is...Republicans run the place!

[RagAss]

6. I guess corporate money talks....and we walk !

[Stevenmarc]

7. The Democrats are a minority party

simply because the party is a party of cliques, it's fragmented, to get a consensus is like herding cats unlike the the Republicans that line up in lock step at the snap of a finger. It would be nice if party leadership would be able to simply send out the memo and expect some sort of party loyalty.

[Frank Cannon]

11. Republicans = Harlem Grobetrotters, Democrats = Washington Generals

I tried to resist the idea that our once great republic has turned completely into a bullshit stage play, but now I'm finding it impossible to do so. Massive corporations produce the kabuki theater we call democratic elections, and our jobs are merely to keep buying their shit. We are now taken completely for granted, because we can no longer afford to even do that.

Well, I guess admitting that you have a problem is the first step in doing something about it.

[RagAss]

12. Yup...we need a twelve step program.

[elocs]

16. Democrats will sacrifice the greater or greatest good to defend their own pet ideas or causes.

Yes, Republicans are more pragmatic about coming together for a common cause. Democrats should be able to find common ground on the things which are most important. Unfortunately we do not have leaders who lead or have the backbone to maintain any discipline. It's just sad.

[WVRICK13]

8. With A Third Party

that actually has the fortitude to stand up for their beliefs. As I see it Republicans are absolutely evil and Democrats are absolutely spineless. Only the Democrats can have a total majority and still pander to the Republicans and Fox News. It is starting to feel like the Russia, no matter who wins nothing changes.

[RagAss]

14. Good points.

[Jakes Progress]

9. You mean progressives or corprocrats? nt

[RagAss]

10. I don't see many progressives leading the pack.......

We have them but they must enjoy their privacy.

[Jakes Progress]

20. That was the point I took from your OP

that we (progressives) are a minority party.

I guess I was harking back to the Moyers interview where he suggested that there wasn't so much a Democratic and republican party as a corporate party that managed both.

To me the real Democratic party was progressive, but the national party has been taken over by the same people that run the republican party.

[coconuted]

13. self delete

[Xenotime]

15. There is no unified message.

We all hated * and thought that was enough.

[RagAss]

17. True....we bought into a new direction.....

No Bush is not a new direction.

[Bonn1997]

18. Democrats are the majority party; liberals or progressives in Congress are a minority though

[Juche]

19. It'll take a while

2006 and 2008 were the beginning, not the end of progressive reforms in this country. It is going to take work to reform this system.

A hundred small things are going to push the dems to the left and give us progressive reforms:


More support for primaries from the left

More support for small donors (like the internet which empowers the netroots). If we can get public fund matching of small donors (2-1 matching of donations under $100 or so) then the netroots could easily raise billions each election cycle.

Better progressive media outlets

More resistance to right wing media outlets (like Color of Change which cut dozens of ads from Beck's show)

GoTV efforts in under represented groups (minorities, young people) who lean progressive

More support for progressives who stand firm, more support for primary challengers to conservative dems.


All in all, over time these things will all add up. Unions and liberals are hopefully going to devote good amounts of volunteer efforts and money to primaries from the left in 2010. We have to put the same energy we put into 2008 into 2010, but we need to put it into primaries and progressives in the general, and not just into the dems.


etc. We will probably lose some seats in 2010, but you can't have a democratic party that is coopted by the DLC and Reaganism for 20+ years, then expect it to go progressive overnight.

[HughMoran]

23. This sort of shit happens all the time.

No reason to get your pampers ina twist!

[bemildred]

24. "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -- Will Penney nt