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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:03 PM
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Just heard on Bloomberg speculation that Obama may use the public option as a bargining chip
especially to attract republicans such as snowe

If this speculation has any validity, then I believe they will be in for a sorry surprise, especially among progressives

It was only a few weeks ago that a "senior advisor from the Obama administration" was taken by surprise that the public option would have such passion, followed by comments that this was from the "extreme left of the party"

I certainly hope they are not that out of touch

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:10 PM
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1. There's a priority list, and I'm getting nervous about some DUers and THEIR priority list.
When someone says, "Obama must make it clear he will veto a bill without the public option (or single payer) or I will no longer support him", what they are really saying is, "If I don't get my public option, then I don't want reform at all. Screw the uninsured."

It's unbelievably selfish.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:12 PM
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2. mandated private insurance is what happens with no public option
FUCK THAT
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:14 PM
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4. For the insured, that's status quo. For the uninsured, no reform means no insurance.
F*** that!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:16 PM
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9. deleted
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:17 PM by redqueen
yeah... I'm actually afraid to say that now... gonna get called a paid agent or something lol
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:21 PM
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15. LOL!
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:23 PM by Spazito
:thumbsup:

Edited to add this post onto my bill for payment (need proof of posting for payment)
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:04 PM
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23. Mandated health insurance WITHOUT a public option............
just jacks up the profits for the insurance corps! oT MAKES ABSOLUTELY no sense to ratchet up the profits of these goons and force people to pay high prices for a faulty product.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:14 PM
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3. Reminds me of Clinton and his veto pen......
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:16 PM by FrenchieCat
we ended up with not a goddamn thing for 15 years....
How many lives were lost in those 15 years?
Guess we will never know....and some probably don't give a shit
cause it is all about what they think is right, which apparently,
for too many means all or not another goddamn thing for another 15 years.

FUCK THAT!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:15 PM
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6. We need to be absolutely certain that everyone is insured.
Once that is assured, we take the next step.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:18 PM
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11. First we make sure the insurance companies have a complete stranglehold.
Once they completely take over by mandate, we take the next step. (Privatizing Medicare)
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:19 PM
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13. I don't recall anyone proposing that.
I'm sorry, but that ranks right up there with Death Panels.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:21 PM
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14. you got that right.
I'm for universal single payer care.

The only mandate should be on the government.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:17 PM
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10. Without a public option, it's mnandated wealth transfer
from the working poor and middle class to the insurance comapnies.

Fuck that shit.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:19 PM
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12. I'm not sure I understand the logic.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:21 PM
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16. I want a public option probably more than the next person,
as I would qualify to get it.

and yes, I agree that a mandate without the OP
is really going in the opposite direction
than the one that we should be going,
but I think Obama knows that,
so I'm not as worried as others might be....
and so I will wait till then to judge
what this reform will or will not mean.

Till then, I continue to insist on a Public Option,
and I will fight for it in everyway....

However, I don't need to see Obama with a veto pen in his hand,
cause we know what that got us last time.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:25 PM
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17. If there's no public option, I want a veto
Sorry, but that's my opinion.

I will work against the election any politician who votes for or signs a health care reform bill that does not include a strong triggerless public option.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:14 PM
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5. I think it always was a bargaining chip
Well.....
no public option now, no money and no votes in the future.

:(
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:16 PM
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8. Really? Why?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:15 PM
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7. This better be another trial balloon...
I hope I'm not the only one sending my thoughts to the WH on this BS.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:26 PM
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18. The past two days, the media have been sending up nothing but...
'trial balloons'. It's not surprising given their time to negatively influence the debate is coming to an end so the hyperbole will be increasing exponentially, imo.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:28 PM
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19. Good point...
damn but it is unnerving!

Heh, did you see the original post I had up above before I chickened out? :P
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:38 PM
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20. re previous post, damn, I wish I had seen it...
I have NO doubt it was a good one, lol!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:46 PM
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21. Hah, no...
I PM'ed you :)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:01 PM
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22. Got it and it would have a....
:thumbsup: from me!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:11 PM
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24. Thanks
:)
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