PETA to Salt Lake City: Ban Cruel, Dangerous Horse-Drawn Carriages
Salt Lake City -- PETA has sent an urgent letter to Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker and the City Council calling on them to implement a ban on horse-drawn carriages. PETA sent the letter after receiving eyewitness accounts of an August 29 incident in which a spooked horse who was pulling a carriage with seven passengers fled down Main Street in the city's downtown historic district. The horse struck a parked car, and the driver and an assisting police officer were injured.
"This incident should serve notice to the people of Salt Lake City that forcing horses to pull heavy loads through busy city streets is cruel and is an accident waiting to happen," says PETA Director Debbie Leahy. "The only way to ensure the safety of passengers, motorists, and horses is to ban horse-drawn carriages, so we're calling on the mayor and the City Council to act to prevent future tragedies."
In the letter, PETA points out that similar incidents have occurred before in Salt Lake City and in nearly every city in which horse-drawn carriages are still permitted to operate. These accidents often cause serious injuries and fatalities to horses, motorists, onlookers, carriage operators, and riders. A growing number of cities have implemented bans on horse-drawn carriages.
10. Your memory is YOUR memory. It's not a repository of facts.
Your memory is limited, and biased because it's yours. Nice slip, btw - using "invent" instead of "event."
We're not discussing light rail or public transportation. We're talking about whether horse-drawn carriages belong in an urban environment. I say no - I"m not an expert, I'm not an animal rights advocate, I'm not particularly pro-car, but I am particularly keen on public safety.
Show me evidence that there have NOT been any horse drawn carriage accidents - I doubt that you can. Whereas my simple googling in the meantime has shown me that there have indeed been an ample number of incidents and accidents involving horse-drawn carriages.
You've made a baseless and unviable assertion, and it's funny to see you defend it as fact. Do go on.
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 03:48 PM by Drunken Irishman
But I don't need to show you evidence. I live here, you don't.
Just as I don't need to show you evidence there hasn't been a shooting on my street in the last 30 years.
If I told you that, would you believe me? Or would you only believe me if I somehow PROVED to you that there hadn't been a shooting on my street in that time frame?
I see the news. I read the paper. This was splashed across the television and newspapers here and if that had been a reoccurring event, it most certainly would've been the subject of stories over the years.
But I've not heard ANYTHING about this happening in Salt Lake prior to these events.
Now maybe that isn't proof enough for you, which I'm sorry, but it is for me.
In fact, a Google search of the terms that would most certainly bring up results of any known accident here doesn't.
The Google Results and if the link doesn't work, Google "horse+carriage" "+salt lake city" accident".
Well at least outside of what happened this week.
But let me guess, that isn't proof enough for you?
I do think we've had hardly any issues here in Salt Lake and certainly not like what we saw this week.
It is a risk and maybe the risk isn't worth it.
Of course, Salt Lake also has very broad streets and I'm sure that helps. Other cities aren't as lucky (or are, depending on your opinion). It's easy for the carriages to share the road with bikers and cars because of that.
20. "Show me evidence that there have NOT been any horse drawn carriage accidents"
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 04:40 PM by yellowcanine
Err - it does not work that way. First of all, the burden of proof is on those wanting to ban a particular activity to demonstrate that it is unsafe - and citing examples of accidents willynilly will not be proof - what you need to show is that a horse drawn carriage is more likely to be involved in an accident with a bus or car than say - a bicycle is. That is a fair comparison. Then you may have something. Even so, there may be merit to limiting where the carriages can go - all urban environments are not equally dangerous for horse drawn carriages. There are many regulatory steps which can/should be taken short of an outright ban that could likely solve the problem, such as limiting which streets can be traversed, limits on numbers of passengers, training requirements for drivers, required inspections of horses and carriages. There are some horses that can do fine around vehicles - others not. Go ask the Amish. And as for urban vs. rural, I would rather be in a horse drawn carriage in a city where the speed limit is 25 mph than in an Amish buggy on a rural Lancaster County road where the speed limit is 55 mph. Nothing is without all risk, including riding in a horse drawn carriage where there are no other vehicles. People did have accidents with carriages before there were cars, after all.
4. I drove in South Florida for 20 years. There were the occasional
horse drawn carriage. It was the idiot tourists who were the biggest problem on the streets, maybe they should be banned. The horses knew the street a lot better than the tourists. I used to have a tad of respect but PETA has shown they are a bunch of whackos. Oh and I and my partner do rescue animals, but peta takes all this shit way to far.
31. So what about the Amish. They may not live downtown urban areas...
but I would think the traffic is way worse than in Lancaster county than say downtown Philadelphia where they have Carriage rides around Independance Park. I mean when I drive downtown Philadelphia I rarely am driving faster than the horses but with Lancaster County, that's an outlet shopping Mecca that has Amish buggies everywhere.
and trust me, 55 is pretty slow for some of us as we weave in and around the Amish. Last time was a sunday afternoon when all the Amish kids were out that day going somewhere. I think on RT896 southbound I passed over 100 Amish Buggies in a 20 mile stretch.
28. Head hanging and leg lifting are not signs of a tired horse.
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 05:27 PM by yellowcanine
Some carriage owners will prevent head hanging by use of check reins - most animal rights people oppose the use of check reins. A horse hangs its head because that is the most comfortable way for it to stand. Actually they will cat nap (or horse nap) this way. They are not tired - merely taking advantage of the "down time". As for leg lifting - have you ever watched people standing? They do the same thing. It is called shifting your weight. It is a natural thing a body does to keep the circulation going.
I should add that a horse with an extremely low hanging head is a sign of a starving horse with poor condition. But you are not likely to see a carriage horse that is starving. It would not last more than a day or two in that condition.
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