Brace Yourself, Proud Liberals: We're About To Be Kissed Off.

SENATOR DeMINT IS GOING TO BE DANCING: President Barack Obama is about to make Republican Senator DeMint's day by bringing about his own Waterloo without the GOP even lifting a finger against him. Obama is inching right up to the big kiss off to the American Left in order to appear "moderate" and "middle of the road" to the American People, who are already wondering what in the hell he stands for?

OBAMA JUST CAN'T CUT THE MUSTARD, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE A GREAT LEADER, IT'S JUST NOT IN HIM: Anyone who's read any of my postings here knows that I've been very pessimistic about Obama's healthcare "reform" from the beginning and have always said we'd wind up with a co-op run by insurance executives and crooked politicians like Tom Daschle. Well, I haven't changed my mind. Why not? Because if Obama was truly in favor of expanding Medicare or having a public option, he would have demanded it from Congress. He never did and his silence speaks very loudly.

IT'S DEJA VU WITH DICK MORRIS ALL OVER AGAIN: Apparently, Obama is about to play the old card trick invented by Dick Morris for Bill Clinton to use against our own party in the 1990's: Triangulation. You know the theater: "Play the Left as loonies and the Right as loonies and yourself as the "reasonable man" in the center; pass some legislation, congratulate yourself and your approval ratings will soar. Not this time.

TIME FOR SOME MATH: Public opinion and approval ratings that politicians lust for (yes, Obama devotees, he is a politician), are an amalgamation of all sorts of Americans. Obama will not win one Republican voter's "approval" with his upcoming, soon-to-be televised big suck-up to Insurance Corporations. And then he can subtract away the Leftist Base of the Democratic Party because this will truly be a betrayal to a great number of those that worked for him BECAUSE of the policies he promised, not because of his personality. Obama will sell out an entire generation of Americans to the Insurance Cartel and we won't see an opportunity like this again for eons to come. Obama's popularity will sink like a stone and he'll wonder where all his friends went.

EIGHT MONTHS IN OFFICE AND WHAT DO WE HAVE? Two escalating wars. Taxpayer bailout by the trillions to crooks on Wall Street. A White House run by Goldman Sachs, gays and lesbians cruelly being discharged wholesale out of the Armed Forces, the cementing of "faith-based" funding and Bush's blurring of church and state, and more.

SO LITTLE REALLY HAS CHANGED SINCE BUSH LEFT OFFICE. Wire-tapping and domestic spying? Still going on. Holding suspects in other nations to avert the U.S. law? Yep, still there. Illegal prison in Cuba? Yep, still operating like the Club Med we were told it was.

STILL, IN FAIRNESS, I WILL ADMIT, THE FURNITURE HAS CHANGED IN THE WHITE HOUSE: For eight years, those of us on the Left were clear out in the back of the White House in a trash can. But now, we can be proud. We've arrived. Now, we've moved up to the front of the First Family's residence: We are the brand-spanking new door mat.

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sheesh. can you say flamebait? i knew you could.

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companies catered to!

.. and I knew from the beginning that Obama
was going to veer right.

He was not my choice for president, and I
only voted for him because I thought the
alternative was worse.

And when they rationalize this soon to be another broken promise by Obama, hold your head held high.

I know where you're coming from with that comment, and I'm with you there. But I strongly object to your trashing of a fellow DUer in that manner.

pnorman

Labor and many progressives have already come out against anything less than a public option.
Do you feel we are the same as teabaggers? For voicing concern that President Obama is backing away from the Public Option, which is the compromise. He is now telling us he is willing to give the Republicans and the Insurance Cartel what they want, Co-Ops. I walked a picket line for over four months a few years ago because the company used those same tactics in their negotiations.
The republican party is not negotiating in good faith and in my opinion it's time to strike.

.....then you are no better than the teabaggers!

who is passionate about real health care reform a confederate flag t-shirt wearing moran sign waving teabagger
We know Obama is far superior than bush or what mCcain would of given us.
That is why we push for what we know he can achieve.

for voicing an opinion may I suggest you read the rules.

Same old, same old as far as I can tell.

Secrecy? Check
Rendition? Check
Illegal wars? Check

Doesn't look like much change from here.

reid has just told you there will not be enough votes with the pubic option. what would you do as leader to get those votes. just curious.

but I do know that a bill without a public option is not really reform and will do little to bring down the cost of health care.
Labor has called the blue dogs bluff and drawn a line in the sand. Maybe he should follow their lead. We don't need the republicans so why bother with them. They have already made it quite clear they block anything Obama tries to do.

going to take up that mantel for the repugs. being honest I would love to see a universal health care option, it makes sense to me. but I don't want to go from the frying pan to the fire. I don't understand why we just can't buy into mediacare, or really why can't the government act as the employer and shop around for the best insurance bid, and people could buy into the policy that they like. just like we do now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVwrCzRUX0

maybe you should join them at a tea party.
Public Option was the compromise to single payer and now we are hearing that we won't even get that.
Co-op's are the Insurance Cartels compromise, the only reason they push it is they know it will fail.
Many of us are willing to compromise with a public option, but know that anything less is doomed to fail.
For you to compare us, who are passionate about real health care reform with confederate flag t-shirt wearing moran sign waving teabaggers says volumes about you.
You should be helping us convince President Obama that a strong Public Option is the only compromise we can afford to make.
Labor gets it, and has drawn a line in the sand.
Try supporting us instead of insulting us.

+1

sucker

insurance companies. Yay!!!! More for them, less for those of us who need PUBLIC OPTION!

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I wish it were not to be, but it is.

and decides to go for broke, knowing full well he will be a one term President.

I ask him to do just that.

Seriously, is that how it goes down?

You want 7 more years of that?

What the fuck good is ANY of it? The insane working for the totally corrupt will just destroy ANY good ANYBODY does.

Yeah, I am that disheartened. Short of a plague that just hits corporate puppets and hate filled delusionals, I just don't see any way to improve things and not have them destroyed in short order at all.

Sadly, we are going to be betrayed.

Seriously, I cannot.

Amazing that we were told Cheney was an "old guy with several heart attacks who wouldn't make it through the "first term." Hmmm...instead of wondering about Obama's Birth Certificate some folks should have been checking out Cheney's Medical Records. For a guy with his "supposed heart history" he's either a Vampire or some other form of life that we don't know about yet to still keep going with his weight and what appears to be the "terrible stress" of his fighting the terrorists to keep us safe.

There's something about Cheney...

You're right. I have read your other posts. This one doesn't provide any new information.

It's worth asking.

The people that own the country are going to continue to control it and to have their priviledges protected at the expense of the working class and poor and their very health and lives.

I'm glad to see you feel the same way, QC. But then, I've known you so long, that it is no surprise to me. We never need to compromise our convictions just because the President is a "Democrat".

It's certainly been an education, seeing people who were playing more-progressive-than-thou only a few short months ago now embracing merit pay and charter schools and union-busting and extraordinary rendition and Blackwater and all manner of other right wing bullshit.

It's like they are all discovering their inner Joe Liebermans.

I really hate what Dear Leaderism has done to this place--and our party.

Nothing changes, but people feel better. "Leaderism". Yeah. Ooops, get your pompoms out, the disciple brigade might get uptight. "Their inner-Joe Liebermans" -- poetic.

to provide the comforting feel of change without actually, you know, changing things much.

and you forgot about Blackwater/xe still in business. I hope it is obvious that McPalin would have
been far worse - but that is little consolation. Hanging on here to a thread of hope for single payer -
just barely hanging on.

IndianaGreen posted an article called "Bush's Third Term" here at the DU. It was a hard pill to swallow reading it, but it rang true with a sound report of what has transpired since the residents changed in the White House.

Thanks for your reminder about Blackwater.

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Sure sounds like it. Could I see your ownership papers?

Get the picture?

So when does the homophobic flame-baiting begin? That's usually the flame-out phase.

please stop failing so hard.

i'm sorry, but i just know it. (call it, "intuition".) i'm surprised he hasn't been tombstoned yet.

Keep watching and you will soon see a spectacular homophobic flameout. That's his usual style.

They're (their?) so transparent...

last poll showed over 70% in favor of public option,
Labor is in favor of a public option.
I suspect you are not too worried about liberals getting a "bad name".
Since you are the one doing all the name calling in this thread.

It's our new role. Together. Doormats.

so it's just us and some dogs howling in the night...And, those dogs have been abused...

To be fair, 'the left' cannot be written off as easily as people like Rahm want to believe. the CPC and the black, hispanic and asian caucuses in the house all support a public option, and they have 100+ members.

Trumka of the AFL-CIO said if politicians do not support a public option or EFCA, don't ask the union for help.

Liberals, who donate hundreds of millions to democratic and progressive causes and help get dems elected will be pissed.

Various dem orgs in various states as well as town hall meetings are telling dem politicians 'you can't count on our support if you move to the right'. Kent Conrad was told this, so were the senators from Colorado.


I know the dems are insanely stupid (they trusted Dick Morris, who is not only a GOP shill but a moron to boot. Look up his 2008 election predictions). However, if dems throw unions, liberals and the CPC under the bus they will totally fuck themselves over.

Because if it is, they just love you that much more!

I admire you, FrenchieCat. I did through the primaries. You know I was there with you. This is going to be a big letdown for so many that were audacious with his hope. I will still champion him when he actually does (not says) the correct thing, but I don't see much of change coming. That's really sad.

I live in the present, and you seem to have seen the future.....
considering that you are talking in past tense about a current situation.
How can it be that you have so much insight into things that haven't really
happened yet?....is it the pundits manipulating the narrative that you are falling for,
or did you really expect Obama to be the perfect President and have all of your wishes
ready for you to tally in 8 months?

You speak of what Obama hasn't done, and then list a litany....
and you also say that there is more.

If I look at what has occurred to date, I won't say that everything I wanted to happen did,
but I'm a much more long term visionary; obviously.

is that you've been very pessimistic from the beginning.

It doesn't prove anything about Obama.

He's the president. He's the one great with words. And these are the ones he refuses to say...because he won't do it.

so he took another path. I do think it's time he put out his own plan -- he's given Congress enough of a chance. But, unlike you, I think when he does he WILL support a robust public option.

I hope you are right. But, I don't see it. He's not going to do it.

It will be interesting to see if he does do a major speech on health care next week.

last year...




You don't have a good prognostication record.



Which means, to me, that your OP is actually GOOD news. Because it is likely 100% wrong.

It's not a new or interesting phenomenon.

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Who the fuck are you, by the way?

Have you received your fan club packet?

Keep laughing, but I'm on your side.

And I'm not a disciple for a politician. Yes, I'm apostate now, but after Obama's speech, the disciples will not be big enough to admit I was right and will begin rationalizing Obama's betrayal and continued string of promise breaking to the Left.

and anyone who says otherwise is a damn dirty leftist who didn't pay attention during the campaign.

You can hear the disciples warming up their vocal chords for those talking points.

Can you picture the plethora of threads that will soon be here justifying this high betrayal?

The loyalty enforcers already seem to be getting a bit panicky over how seditious people are becoming. For months they have managed to browbeat dissenters into silence here, but now the little folks are getting mouthy and they don't like that.

It's going to be an interesting show.

I will not go silently into the night. Yeah, the browbeating of those not on their knees to the promise breaker.

Where exactly have you been these last 6 months?

It became obvious when Obama began surrounding himself with DLC as soon as he was elected.

but in the end, that was a rather deciding point. He fucking hates us and we fucking hate him. It's a marriage made in hell.

along with Biden (Clarence Thomas appointment) to get Dem legislation through Harry (The Limping Boxer)'s legislation through the Senate. It seemed like the "Dream Team" for Legislative Victory...even though I coughed it down...gagged it down.

Now it appears that it was something more like the gag than the triumph. I hope that I am proved wrong...OMG...I pray that I am proved wrong....

Now he's just a string of broken promises and missed opportunities for the poor and working class to have real healthcare. How shitty is that? Thanks for posting, tavalon.

but I'm happy to see more people coming to grips with reality.

I just actually wrote something quite similar on another topic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I wish I weren't so pessimistic, but it's eight months now.

Sad, but as things stand now, you appear to be right and I so wish you were wrong.

Thanks for seeing the spirit of my OP. As an Obama supporter, these first eight months have been disheartening as he's surround himself with corporate interests, world bankers and the likes of Tom Daschle.

It's been a roller coaster of emotions for me.
Lately I have had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
He has a chance of being a great president and implementing real change.
We are in a unique time, where we actually have the power to make real changes.
We must push him to achieve what we know can be done.

...that last paragraph bumped you up a couple points.

Thanks.

And you're a lot smarter than this post would indicate to those unfamiliar with you.

I have to say I am a little surprised by this.

I don't know what else the Left and Unions and the sick and dying can possibly do or say to make Obama keep his promise. It's up to him to lead and not be pushed around.

The point of your thread is that government is corrupt, and we can't trust President Obama. Okay. So, then why would you want to implement a government run healthcare option by this same government? I don't get it. Also, I don't even know where to begin with the "nothing has really changed" since Bush has left office.

The OP is replete with paranoia and cynicism about the federal government. I almost expect you to start sounding the alarm about death panels.

I support single-payer, nationalized healthcare. The only humane debate is whether we, the people, should permit a "private option".

Let's re-visit this after September 15th. Obama will show where he stands by then. I think he's already more than signaled his intentions. Nice try to twist things around.

Because this post is a warning signal to Democrats. The base of the party are the ones this party cares the least about. We knew that, but put the country first and hoped that given a big enough majority, they would lose the abused spouse syndrome they seemed to be afflicted with over the past eight years. Not all of them, there are a few, like Kucinich, who stand out, but most.

The Rahm E. branch of the party despise those they need the most to keep them in power. And while political junkies, such as those who frequent political blogs, may end up coming around, there are millions who do not frequent blogs, and many of them will not be happy if the major issues that caused them to vote for Dems do not get attention. It's nice that Wall St. billionaires were rescued from the results of their own stunning greed and incompetence bordering on, and in some cases, actual criminal behavior.

But most of us did not vote for that nor want it. It did little for those out of work, out of healthcare and the millions losing their homes. You'll have to excuse me if my 'concern' is reserved for the ordinary people and for the issues, the wars, the war criminals and all the other reasons we supported them.

Attacking the messenger is something Fox does, though, isn't it. You don't know me well enough. That's OK.

As I will tonight.

Democracy begins with ME.

TAG, I'm it.

and, in my opinion, my premise has sadly been confirmed.

Don't mind these folks who flame you simply because you speak your mind. You're not alone.

and FUCK all these idiots calling Obama a socialist - he's not even a liberal! he's a corporate democrat. he appoints corporate people to positions - often the same ones who got us into trouble in the first place. i had hopes for Obama but oh well.. it not all said and done, but i don't expect great changes from him. perhaps next time i'll vote my conscience and go with Kucinich instead of the lesser of two evils - especially now that i see how clearly most dems, just like repubs, are OWNED by corporate influence.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Stand proud that you don't compromise your convictions.

I'll give you that.

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I am hardly a blind partisan devotee of President Obama, but come on, we cannot expect massive change to happen overnight. Change is hard and even harder when trying to bring more government into peoples personal lives. Luckily, President Obama understands this.
We can't write off his entire presidency simply because a pet issue doesn't immediately go our way.

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