"Republican" is the new "pedophile"

[jollyreaper2112]

Well, not yet, at least not for the entire country, but we're certainly closer to it now than we were 6 years ago. In 2000 I felt both parties were distasteful and crooked. These days I feel the Dems are vaguely disappointing (but showing far greater promise since the election) and the GOP are evil child molesters who are also very, very good at the evil they do.

Enron went from golden child to a badge of shame overnight. I have a dream and in that dream, years from now, people will look pained and uncomfortable every time it's mentioned, like voldemort or "disco fashion." The only time "republican" should be brought up in polite conversation is as a punchline to a joke about craven, crazed-weasel evil. When two recovering Republicans meet each other, I want them to have that same sense of awkward embarassment you get when you meet someone you were with at a party and you were both so drunk that you aren't quite sure what happened but you awoke the next day covered in a mixture of sweat and vomit (not all of it your own) with your pants around your ankles and a pair of thong underwear (probably not your own) wrapped around your head; you know, it's the sort of thing where you know that they know that you know that they know and you're both actively trying to act like you don't know that they know that you know that they know and pretend nothing even happened and make nervous smalltalk while laughing too loudly at jokes that aren't funny. Recovering Republicans will have to push over their latent homosexual urges emotional baggage to make extra room for the ex-puke baggage coming in.

I'm not sure this will come to pass but a boy has to have a dream.

[Bicoastal]

1. All I know is...

...aren't these the same people that were predicting the literal death of the Democratic party and a permanent end to "the age of liberalism" just a few years ago?

As my Dad would say, "Oh, how the worm has turned..."

[Sadie4629]

4. And when I was in college--

--a few years after Watergate, I had a professor who predicted that the Republican Party was done for. A few years later, Reagan was elected.

Some things just aren't predictable.

[jollyreaper2112]

7. yeah, that's why I'm not woo-hooing just yet

How many times did we think Bush had to be going down because of the latest scandal? He might get taken down yet but I'm not putting money on anything right now. And maybe the GOP will go down with him. I'm not putting money down but I'm hoping.

[peabody]

2. I share that dream

too. Still, the Republican party is powerful; their propaganda is fierce; and the American public is gullible. It's an uphill battle, but with the lower number of people staying that they're Republicans after 6 years of Bush's assault on America there might be hope.

[Casper Alabaster]

3. Also don't be too hasty,

just google Al Oertwig. Just sayin.

[Sadie4629]

5. Disgusting analogy

Sorry, but I know--and respect--some Republicans. They may be misinformed, but they are not evil. Child molesters are evil.

[jollyreaper2112]

6. Then they weren't really republicans

The pukes I know are still hardcore kool-aid drinkers. The moderate republicans I know are no longer republican.

[Sadie4629]

8. I know these Republicans as volunteers

They are from Christian churches and volunteer for the organization by which I'm employed.

Every Thursday evening they show up to prepare and serve dinner, clean up afterwards, take care of children, stock Resource Room shelves, and do whatever they can to help the underprivileged. We have women from the churches who make and donate baby quilts, hold "baby showers" to stock our infant pantry with brand-new items, knit mittens, whatever. Some people deliver used furniture, and dozens of other jobs. For several months we had a 4-day per week schedule of women helping with feeding and other baby care for a mom who'd given birth to triplets.

As for generosity, one gentleman has personally given $1400.00 this year, and persuaded his friends and neighbors to donate much more.

Their motivations are that they are obeying the God they believe in.

As for why they are Republican: Lots of reasons. Most are strongly anti-abortion. (It is their belief that life starts at conception, and must be protected. Most are anti-gay marriage. Some are pro-gun. Most like the idea that they can do more good with their money than the government can.

Does that make them evil? Maybe in your opinion it does. Not in mine.

[CTyankee]

10. Sadly, these people are enablers of vile people who wreak terror on the rest of us.

And who seek to destroy our democracy.

So what do you do with enablers, who are otherwise good in their lives? Well, we can confront them with what they have enabled. Bring them the truth. Make them confront it or at least look at it. They have to have it brought to their attention and, I think, personally, one on one.

Only then will they be forced to reconsider their position vis a vis the actions in their own lives. They must be shown the dichotomy.

[BoneDaddy]

12. Thanks for saying it

The idiots who equate republicans with pedophiles are fucking scary.

[Sadie4629]

14. Somebody had to

The worst thing is that you know posts like this are going to make it to the blogs and just fuel the fire. Not good for us at all.

[BoneDaddy]

21. That is exactly true

it makes us look insane.

[skooooo]

15. the Republicans who have been in power...

...these past 6 years ARE evil. I'm convinced of that.

[Sadie4629]

17. If the OP meant--

--this misAdministration, he or she should have made that clear. To me, it seemed he was saying ANY Republican should be equated to a child molester.

[jollyreaper2112]

18. the point I'm getting at...

Moderate Republicans should want to avoid being seen as "good germans." Ok, so the party was infiltrated and taken away from them. I can understand and respect the idea that the party they're in is not the party they joined. But it's time to quit, assuming you still have a soul. The moderates I know have quit. Good, decent people found themselves in the nazi party. And when they finally saw through the lies they were told, they got out.

The point I'm getting at is that I'm hoping for a future where nobody would even want to be associated with the name for fear of also being associated with the taint.

[Sadie4629]

23. So where do YOU think they should go?

--"moderate" Republicans who are against high taxes, or who are anti-abortion, or anti-gay marriage, or anti-gun control. I'm not seeing a whole lot of alternatives to the Republican Party for them. Maybe you would like it if they all became apolitical and decided to just sit home on election day, but there are many people who would be just as afraid of one-party rule from the left as you are of the Republican Party.

[jollyreaper2112]

25. A third party, perhaps?

There's been some speculation that what we're seeing here could cause a massive conservative exodus where the rational conservatives (as opposed to the wingnuts) form a third party because they feel they have no voice in the current one. Basically it would be a schism within the existing party and would even involve the defection of sitting officials.

Now I'm not saying this will happen, I won't lay odds on it, but if I were writing a story and wanted to have something like this in the plot, the cause of it would have to be something huge and dramatic such as the crap we're seeing right now, something big enough to credibly split the party. Anything less would make for implausible fiction.

Hell, right now Bush is challenging Congress to declare a constitutional crisis over the emails. This is major political drama stuff.

[Sadie4629]

27. Unfortunately--

--third parties have not historically been very successful. It's a lesson both parties have learned in recent years (the Republicans in 1996 and the Dems in 2000.) The moderate Republicans are not going to risk being the cause of the election of another Clinton. I think they will stay with the Republicans, and work for change from within. Entirely possible, and not a bad thing.

Think about this: What would happen if the real radical lefties/greens/whatever took over the Dems. Would you want the moderate Dems to leave the party and start their own?

[jollyreaper2112]

29. good question

I think that the DLC centrists have already taken over the party and are selling out the country so they can get into the same country clubs as the Republicans. The strain of the Bush junta was great enough to sweep in some change in 2006. I'm interested in seeing if that momentum can be preserved for 2008.

Conventional third parties have been marginal and ineffective. The third party I'm talking about here, hypothetically, would not be the operating at the fringes of the big two parties but would come about from the splitting of a major party. So instead of talking about Dems and Gropes having 95% of the voting masses between the two of them and the remaining 5% scattered amongst 50 third parties, we might see the kind of split that looks more like a panic in a burning room. If you get even half of the GOP base moving away, you could get the kind of irresistable momentum where the rest flee because they see the party as a sinking ship. You then end up with 50% dem, 10% old GOP, 5% regular third party, and 35% new GOP, branded under a different name. The Dems consolidating power in 2008 might even be seen as a bonus for the new GOP strategists. Why? Because the sins of the old party will be shedded with the molting. "Hey, we're not old GOP, we're the Liberty party" or whatever name they choose. And if the Dems abuse their position in 2008 and beyond, they'll create the same kind of backlash that led to the GOP revolution in '94 and contract on america. The 50% of voters siding with Dems right now are not guarrantees, a lot of them were swing voters, moderates, and GOP defectors completely disgusted with the overt evil of the Republicans. If the Dems don't act with honor, if they backslide into lazy corruption, these swingers can go back the other way again and throw the country to the wolves.

This is all speculation, of course. Political prognostication is persistantly a precarious practice. The one bit of good that might come out of it is if the existing GOP high and mighty hold onto their power structure even as the old GOP deflates, by the time they're ready to jump ship there may be no more room for them at the table in the new party. Maybe the moderate conservatives will have the reigns of power and be able to dictate the future of the new party.

Let it be clear that I see James Carville and Karl Rove to be equally evil; same shit, different pile. Both parties have evil hacks who will lead them down the glittering road to hell while pocketing hefty consulting fees. They're apolitical bloodsuckers whose only interests are securing, consolidating, and preserving power. They have no morality, no philosophy, no honor, just an instinctual appetite that knows no end.

[joe_sixpack]

9. If that is true,

what should we have for another party in our two-party system? Obviously a party that's considered the same as pedophiles isn't a viable alternative for the American people, or perhaps the Democratic party is all the choice they need?

[Sammy Pepys]

11. I don't think the comparison is really appropriate

We can call Republicans a lot of things, but I don't think we should reduce pedophilia to just describing something we don't like.

[jollyreaper2112]

20. missing my point

Pedophillia is pretty much our biggest cultural taboo, and I think it is ranked even worse than incest, rape, and cannibalism. (Murder doesn't seem too high on the taboo list.) You mention a pedophile and the reaction you get is just astounding, normal people start frothing at the mouth and spouting fantasies of how they'd like to mutilate the offender. It gets more of a rise than mentioning nazis and that's still none too popular.

All I'm getting at is I'm looking forward to the day, if it comes, that the word "republican" elicits that same kind of reaction, where it becomes a badge of shame, a family secret. "Did you know that Grandpa Vern carried water for the Republicans back in the oughts? It's true! He was a loyal bushie." Villians in future movies will be seen with uniforms hanging in their closets with little flag pins on the lapels, just like Apt Pupil.

Ok, I'm getting a little silly here but my original point wasn't deadly serious to begin with. I just want to see people so disgusted with the GOP that the name itself becomes unusable, radioactive.

[Sadie4629]

24. I don't think you're being silly

I think you're being much worse than silly. Do you know that posts from this Board have ended up being posted all over the Internet and even mentioned on talk radio as examples of how dangerously insane the Democrats are?

As far as looking forward to the day when "Republican" is a badge of shame or whatever you said, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. They recovered from Watergate, as I pointed out earlier, and they can recover from Bush, too.

[jollyreaper2112]

26. I'm not holding my breath

As I stated, this is something I'm hoping for but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen. And you're right about the GOP not becoming pariahs after Nixon, though they should have. The whole bit about pardoning that fucker and allowing the nation to heal is utter crap. It let the bastard and his cronies off the hook and they came back again in the Bush admin and did this shit all over again, but this time bigger and louder and more brazenly.

If we get impeachment, there should be no pardons for anyone involved in this. They should become radioactive and public life should be over. I don't want to see them coming back in 30 years in another Republican administration and fuck up the country all over again.

[Sammy Pepys]

28. OK, I gotcha...

However, I'd rather our very worst, cringeworthy terms be saved for things like "pedophilia" and other things so far beyond the pale. As much as it is fun to dislike Republicans, they can never replace the bastards who commit acts like that.

[BoneDaddy]

13. Are you serious?

This kind of rhetoric demonstrates the insanity of some liberals.

This is the worst analogy I have probably ever heard on this message board and it saddens me greatly.

I totally disagree with the republican conservative mindset and work towards challenging it on a daily basis, but to become this irrational and to use such a horribly evil example on being on par with republicanism as a political philosophy is ridiculous.

This is as bad as the other side calling us Godless, communist hippies because it is simply, on it's face so untrue.

I have friends and family who are republicans and they are good people who due to religion and money are blind to how their political thinking plays out. Overall they are just unconscious, although all of them have come around in regards to Bush. But they are not in any way, shape or form ANYTHING LIKE PEDOPHILES.

This kind of shit is utter nonsense.

[skooooo]

16. well...

...could be a troll too

[BoneDaddy]

19. The Poster?

or me? The poster might, but you can check my posts if you want. I agree with most stuff on here, but not all and I call this kind of crap out on it's face.

[jollyreaper2112]

22. nope, not a troll

This isn't a deadly serious post, just a bit of wishful thinking. I think the responses are a lot more ernest and serious than my original intent was. Not trying to troll.