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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 02:39 AM
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The two categories of Conservative argument
1. Short lies. Composed of slogans, soundbites and smears. Often just four words or less. Things like "tax and spend", "Fight then over there rather than over here" "Pull the plug on Grandma" to name just a few.

These are effective to many because they are so short. Become the thought processes of the small minded or fearful.


2. Long worded or winded essays that typically twist a few truths or over emphasize trivial shortcomings of Democrats or Liberals. An argument that just takes longer to emphasize the complete nonsense (than number 1 above)These type are the more snooty repukes (the ones who try and distance themselves from the mental midgets who write the short stupid lies listed in 1 above). The only difference between them and the trailer trash conservatives is they have a bigger vocabulary. Both are equally mean spirited and dense.

The goal of their journalistic diarrhea is supposedly to impress Moderate voters into buying into their B/S. Less effective than the slogans in 1 above because nobody wants to take the time to read their overly wordy crap.

Examples: Anything writ by the Late Bill Buckley, William Safire, Late Bob Novak and their type. Deborah Saunders is one of these too. As is Charles Krauthammer too. Each will spend a whole editorial column blaming Pelosi for causing torture. Mindless!


What to do?


First of all always try and avoid debating any of their points directly. This is because by repeating their bowel movement type statements you may inadvertently give their thoughts undeserved attention to the gallery watching. A far better approach is to mention in a general sense at how trivial or fictitious their whole philosophy is.

Instead point out that Conservatism is a constantly failing ideology. That there are no examples of a successful Conservative State or economic system inside a democracy.

If you must debate them do NOT quote their statements! Instead do a fact check first pointing out evidence pointing out the lies they have stated without actually repeating their lies.

Example: Instead of debating statements like "Obama spent so much tax payer money on a trip to NYC" say:

Where were you when we pointed out that Bush spent nearly THREE years of his eight year term on vacation?

Or: "Don't you think Bush should have spent a little tax payer money by leaving Texas on his vacation in order to get help for Katrina victims" etc.

Remember, you are not trying to convince the pea brained idiot who regurgitates the GOP talking points. He's hopeless usually. You want to reach the less opinionated person who otherwise might believe the dumbass Conservative.


Best,

The no longer homeless (for now anyway)

Wiley
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:13 AM
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1. The SHIFT is evident...from Fantasy to Reality/Sanity...the peeps are slowly waking up...
This is why the GOP are so nergis...so desperate...so strident even....They are Fearful of their position...the one MULLIES HATE the most...that of a LOSING POSITION....thus...their Tantrums...screams and yells for attention...that of a spoiled child in the Dept Store denied a new toy.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 04:35 AM
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6. It certainly does resemble
a tantrum. And if ever there was a group of spoiled children it was the GOP during the BushCo fiasco.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 05:28 AM
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7. Spoiled BULLY KIDS demanding ATTENTION
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:46 AM
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2. I've never heard anyone point
this out before, but as far as I know this is true. On the other hand, we often hear conservatives you describe in the second group repeat that Socialism always results in a failed state.

"That there are no examples of a successful Conservative State or economic system inside a democracy."
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 04:02 AM
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4. Thanks
Edited on Sat Aug-29-09 04:03 AM by WileEcoyote
Case in point: Let us try and find an example of a successful Conservative government AND economic system within a democracy. This is an important point. Because if we can't find the existence of any then we should probably conclude that Conservatism is a useless philosophy.

E/U or Europe in general: No predominantly Conservative states that I know of. The Torys in the UK have significant influence but not quite enough yet to push them really close to the 50% territory of political influence. Not like the U.S. which is or was more Conservative (and falling apart at the seams because of it). We do notice, however that Britain's public health care system is not quite so good as say France's or Canada's. Far better at helping the masses then our own but not up to the same rate as some of the major countries in the E/U.

Asia is a continent of much exploitation and autocratic states. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see many if any significant democracies. Singapore is a "successful" economy in some ways but no one in his right mind would call it a democracy.

Australia isn't so bad but it isn't all that conservative either. Not when compared to the U.S.

I don't know enough about South America except that it's poor and exploited to a large extent.

In Central America we find our closest example of a "democracy" in a Conservative run government. This place is known as Mexico but again no one would declare that land of squalor and despair a success.


Conclusion: Promoting a political and economic idea is similar to starting a new business. If we are wise we look for other companies which sell the same product or services as our own concept and see how successful they are. And when we look at Conservatism we find that it always goes belly up.

There are no successful Conservative run states within a democracy. Not now and not ever in history. Conservatism is the mindspeak philosophy of the feudal system. always a step backwards.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 03:55 AM
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3. Well said....
Conservatives aren't too hard to figure out that's for sure.
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anneboleyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 04:19 AM
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5. Great points, op, and you may well have the best name on DU!
Wile E Coyote -- love it!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 05:37 AM
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8. Cons like to boast how they are protectors of the Constitution. Remind
them what Bush said, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 02:30 PM
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12. Amen!
They hate little factoids like that!
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 01:44 PM
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9. They tend to "think" things that cannot or won't be proven.
We tend to think things we'd rather prove.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 01:52 PM
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10. I once stopped a conservo in his verbal tracks by saying
paraphrasing, it's been awhile now: Life if too complicated to be explained by a few bumper-sticker slogans.

Shut him up and now he avoid discussing his dumb shit with me.

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:47 AM
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13. With health care, I been using it's the moral thing to do with conservative christians.
That stops them dead!
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 02:20 PM
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11. Sound advice Wiley!
Bravo!


Cheers!
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