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daedalus_dude Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:15 AM
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A foreign rockstar from a country with deeply rooted social and human rights issues....
... let's say, Pakistan, comes to the United States to perform in front of a huge crowd. And them condemns the treatment of women, gays and minorities in the United States.

Your reaction?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:17 AM
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1. I tell 'em to clean up their own house first. n/t
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:17 AM
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2. I'd cheer them on - human rights are human rights
it doesn't matter which side of an imaginary line you're standing on when speaking about them
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:22 AM
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4. Ditto.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:32 AM
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6. Yep. This exactly.
:applause:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:52 AM
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11. +1
Yep
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:27 PM
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32. Me as well...I think this is an answer question...
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:21 AM
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3. i'd gogol bordello them
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:47 AM
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10. a tribal connection, eh?

;-)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:24 AM
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5. Depends. Is the music good? n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:53 AM
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7. if it was madonna, i'd tell her since she sold sex her entire career, she should stfu.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:57 AM
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21. Do you hate all sex-industry workers
or just the females?

If you choose to vilify every celebrity that has used their sexual allure to advance their careers, you must watch TV-Land alot.

"Mayberry RFD" reruns....

:patriot:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:58 PM
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22. no, just those who sell sex to make millions then criticize those who sell sex for mere survival.
as well as hypocrites who pretend there's no connection between the rich sellers of sex & the poor ones.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:17 PM
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23. Madonna has criticized another worker in the sex industry?
Do you have a citation for that?

As to your "hypocrites" comment, we can assume that Hannah Bell would approve of Madonna if she'd stopped charging for her performances once she had achieved financial security? It's her success that bothers you?

You don't expect us to believe that, do you? Or are you saying that all sex-workers are vile if they profit above acquiring the necessities of life? Tassel-Twirling Tina should quit accepting dollars thrust into her bodice once she's been tipped enough to buy Similac for her crack-baby?


You're making this all up on the fly, aren't you? Perhaps Hannah's real issue is no-one's offering money to see *her* tits.....
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:58 PM
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26. lots of straw, not worth the time. sad decline of what "democrat" used to mean.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:15 PM
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28. Stymied, then?
Your "dismissal" is just a retreat.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:19 PM
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29. no, just not worth arguing bullshit points with bullshitters.
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 03:20 PM by Hannah Bell
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:26 PM
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30. But it's worth taking the time to say it's not worth the time?
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:02 PM
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34. I called you on your criticism
of Madonna for selling sex. I countered that almost all "visual" celebrities do.

You responded that she sold "sex to make millions then criticize(d) those who sell sex for mere survival." What does that mean? It was unclear whether you fault her for becoming wealthy by marketing her attractiveness or you feel she has demeaned other workers in the industry of supplying sexual stimulation. I only remember a few quotes from her regarding sex-industry workers, and they were all supportive.

I asked for a citation where she had spoken ill of any sex workers. You had no answer.

Who's bullshitting?


In response to your next assertion that some (unidentified) hypocrites fail to acknowledge some amorphous "connection" between successful purveyors of sex and those who fail to become rich. Actually, I have no idea what point you were trying to make. I did try to paraphrase and parrot your statement back in order to receive a clarification, but you merely tantrum-ed about straw and the decline of the definition of "democrat". Perhaps you're attempting to be subtle, but you're merely gibbering.

You haven't supported one of your statements. Every query I've made has been ignored or misdirected.

Who's bullshitting?

You end by increasing the invective of your personal insults. That sounds like bullshit to me. That sounds like someone venting their spleen, then failing to coherently explain their rancor. In short, that's bullshit.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:29 PM
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33. Ah, the taliban option.
Yes, that makes a lot of sense.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:57 AM
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8. self delete.
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 04:00 AM by zonkers
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:08 AM
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9. Assuming I get a one on one chat with him...
I'd thank him for trying to make a positive impact on universal society. I'd also point out to him that, while we still quite a bit of progress to make, we here in the USA do have quite an impressive history when it comes to universal rights. We do have progress to make, but we are still moving forward.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:02 AM
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12. There are never enough champions of human rights.
I would hope people put the petty bs away and rally for human rights.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:04 AM
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13. Who's opening for 'em?

:spank:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:00 AM
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14. Will there be a light show?
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:04 AM
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15. would depend on the star, but personally i would rather said rockstar keep their mouth shut
and not jeopardize the already tenious relationship that exists, and madonna is not exactly the spokesman i want for my people...
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:05 AM
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16. I'd tell him to fuck off.
Other nations hate us for our meddling, and for good reason. I won't put up with the same shit from them.

I happen to support a lot of what Bono supports, but when he marched into our White House saying he was going to "open our purse strings" and whined that we weren't doing enough, I would have gladly told him "go fuck yourself" to his face.

Want my help? Make your case and ask politely. If you throw condescending lectures and guilt trips my way - no matter how just your cause - then make sure to have sex with yourself on the way out the door.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:06 AM
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17. My reaction? Good for the foreign rock star.
Is that not the answer you were looking for?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:11 AM
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18. If the shoe fits, wear it.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:21 AM
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19. Retraction
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 10:49 AM by Dogtown
I posted in outrage and didn't note the time of your OP. Clearly, you posted before the offensive thread was locked. I assume this thread was intended to re-address the issue civilly and without the ugly racism displayed in that other thread.

I have nothing but respect for a socially-conscious artist expressing laudable human-rights values.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:36 AM
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20. That happens all the time, frankly.
And it should, because the job of artists is to express themselves and that is that. Those who wish to express their opposition to prejudice and bigotry are the best of all. I'd personally be very happy whit any artist from anywhere that spoke out against the oppression of GLBT rights in the US, thrilled. It is the best when American artists do so directly to people's faces ala Brad Pitt. But I'd welcome it from anyone, anyplace, anytime.
Such an artist is an individual, not a government representative. Artists are international. Sorry if it bugs you.
And those who wish to dismiss Madonna are misinformed, as she has been heavily political for most of her career. She a bit of an activist hero, a groundbreaking advocate, a communicator of lifesaving information. If you don't like it, skip her shows.
I suppose you think the Dixie Chicks should have 'shut up and sang' at that concert in London? They sure did not have Madonna's long track record as a speaker of her mind, a public voice. People coming to see Madonna should expect to hear political controversy, she always delivers that, same as U2 only Bono is tarted up like a boy tart, Mo like a girl tart. But a tart is a tart, m'dear. Eye candy is eye candy. And there is nothing wrong with that at all.
The famous old movie star Mae West was the Madonna of her day. She is thought of as being just her tarted up image, but the woman was a trail blazing writer, a free speech hero, arrested multiple times for performance, for the title of her show, for the way she walked. She was political as all get out, and she had impact on the culture beyond reason. She also wrote every word she ever spoke, save for those WC Fields tossed in. But she was a sexy woman selling her sexuality, so people dismissed her then and now, out of ignorance.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:18 PM
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24. I want to hear musicians talk about politics...
...just about as much as I want to hear politicians sing. Let the Eagle soar somewhere else.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:19 PM
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25. shut up and sing??
Hmm, that sure sounds familiar.

My reaction. Who gives a fuck what "rock" "stars" say anyway?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:03 PM
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27. Bravo! For speaking out for human rights. Americans are humans too.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:27 PM
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31. I can't answer, as the bands I like would never draw huge crowds.
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