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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:23 PM
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Charter school principals fired after questioning taxpayer money spent on school's real estate arm.
Imagine Schools are run by Dennis and Eileen Bakke. Dennis Bakke and his wife, Eileen, are members of the Fellowship, The Family. They are anti-union as well. Her cell in the Fellowship includes Grace Nelson, wife of Senator Bill Nelson. Hillary was mentioned as a member of that cell as well.

Dennis Bakke, The Fellowship, "Imagine" charter schools and their real estate arm, "Schoolhouse Finance LLC", how did we get here? The man who called public schools a "government monopoly" runs 18 charter schools in Florida. There are dozens of others in other states that are being questioned about using public taxpayer money to profit their real estate arm.

'Too many questions'

Bruce Greening, a former principal at Imagine MASTer Academy in Fort Wayne, Ind., said Imagine required him to pay $650,000 a year to rent a 28-acre campus valued at $3.4 million. But the school used only two buildings on the sprawling property, he said.

"Obviously, I thought the rent was kind of steep," he said. "But I had no choice, because it was part of the company's procedures. We couldn't go anywhere else."

Dallas Morning News


He was fired as was another administrator at the school.

From the same article...a principal was fired in a Nevada Imagine charter school ostensibly for asking similar questions.

Hugh Wallace knew accepting the principal's job at 100 Academy of Excellence in North Las Vegas presented a challenge. Eight months into the job, he said, he realized that nearly 40 percent of his state funding went to pay rent to Schoolhouse Finance. And the rent jumps a few percent each year, according to the charter school's lease agreement.

A nearby charter school unrelated to Imagine receives about the same state funding as 100 Academy of Excellence. But last year, it paid about 14 percent of its state funding for building rent, according to Nevada's education department. So Wallace said he asked his boss if the school's lease on the 50,000-square-foot building could be reduced.

"I was told to never ask about the lease payment or I would get fired," he said. "I was given a reprimand."

But Wallace kept asking about the lease and about Imagine's control of the charter school. Wallace said Imagine fired him in early November.


A blog called Schools Matter phrased it very succinctly:

Charter school leaders fired.

How would you like to send your child to a school paid for with tax dollars where the principal and another administrator get fired, and no one will tell you why? Were they molesting children? Were they stealing money? Were they harassing teachers? This is the new no-oversight reality of charter schools, brought to you by the market solutionists and the corporate socialists.


Here is the about page from their website.

At Imagine Schools, our mission is to help parents and guardians educate their children by creating learning communities of achievement and hope. We create and operate public charter schools with the goal of restoring vision and purpose to schools and returning parents and guardians to full participation in the education of their children. We devote ourselves to creating joy-filled schools in which all are valued, all are responsible for their actions, and all are working toward the common goal of student success.

Imagine Schools was founded in 2004 by Dennis and Eileen Bakke. The Bakkes are passionate about making a difference in education by implementing a unique operational structure that creates a dynamic learning environment, putting teachers and school leaders squarely in charge of the decisions affecting the schools they serve. All Imagine Schools people take responsibility for the success of their students and their school community. Dennis Bakke, co-founder and CEO Emeritus of the AES Corporation, a global power company, brings to Imagine Schools a distinguished business background, including a pioneering approach to creating a decentralized, highly effective organization. Eileen’s passion is mentoring teachers and creating a school culture that engages students in meaningful and effective learning.


There is a close Fellowship connection between the Bakkes and the Bill Nelsons, the Jack Kemps, the James Bakers among others.

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Florida and The Fellowship


In an interview with the Washington Examiner Dennis Bakke called public schools a government monopoly. It is applying a business term to what was once a foundation of our country, a public education. The trouble is that language like that has worked and worked well. That language adds to the new ideas being tossed about that will allow children to be treated as products to be tested and tested some more.

Q: What is so broken within our public school system that charter schools stand a chance of fixing it?

Bakke: The major problem with our government-operated public schools is best understood by comparing the government monopolies that operate public elementary and secondary schools in this nation and our public university systems. The latter are considered among the best in the world. The former are generally considered very low on the quality scale. The major difference between these two education systems is that our elementary and secondary schools are government monopolies, while our colleges and universities compete for students. Students are assigned to most public K-12 schools and there is no significant competition for these students. The national result of monopolies in the private sector and the public sector is poor performance. Without the requirement to compete for students, there is little incentive for creativity, innovation, and the hard work or the long hours required to educate students and involve parents. Unlike the monopoly government schools, which exist whether parents like the schools’ performance or not, only “good” charter schools that can attract students can survive.

Credo: Dennis Bakke


It's unreal that he can speak of our public school system that way, and that it is so well accepted. Florida legislators have welcomed Imagine Schools with open arms.

Who profits from for-profit charter schools in Florida?

"For-profit charter schools--or at least, charters run by for-profit corporations--are alive and kicking in Florida. Imagine Schools, the country's largest charter school operator headquartered in Virginia, already runs 18 charter schools in the state. On November 12, 2008, the company withdrew applications for 15 new charter schools in the face of recommendations for denial--though they plan on pursuing them later.

In the state of Florida, charter schools have more than one way of getting authorization. They first seek approval from the local school board. If their request is denied, they can appeal to the Florida Department of Education Charter School Appeal Commission, where they often have better luck. Before, if that still didn't work, they could get approval from Jeb Bush's 2006 brainchild, the Florida Schools of Excellence Commission, which had the authority (and a seemingly unquenchable desire) to authorize charter schools in most state school districts. In December of 2008, the First Florida District Court of Appeal struck down the statute authorizing the commission as unconstitutional, so for the moment, that recourse is no longer available."

...But it is not only in Florida that there have been objections to, and problems with, Imagine Schools. In Texas and Nevada, concerns have been raised about Imagine Schools' finances and complex real estate deals that have led to the charters spending up to 40% of their entire publicly funded budget on rent to for-profit companies, including Imagine's real estate arm, Schoolhouse Finance, leaving them with tight budgets for necessary materials like textbooks. In the interest of comparison, many other charter schools spend in the neighborhood of 14% of their public funding on building rent. The real estate deals, where the charter run by Imagine leases the building from Schoolhouse Finance, who then sells the property to a real estate investment trust who then leases it back to Schoolhouse at a lower rate than what the charter pays, have proven very lucrative for owners and investors in the two companies. Former Imagine School principals who inquired into the real estate expenditures were subsequently fired. But, naturally, they have also drawn sharp criticism from boards of education.

Could it be that Imagine Schools is applying for nonprofit tax-exempt status by shuffling the profits (from public funding, of course) into its real estate business? Given what has already transpired in Nevada and Texas, this seems very likely.


Big difference between 14 and 40 percent spent on building rent. Lots of empty big buildings sitting around Florida right now anyway.

So Florida communities may have to have charter schools even if they don't want them because the State Department of Education will approve them even if local school boards won't.

More about Texas, Nevada, Indiana and their troubles with Imagine Schools using public tax payer money to help fund their real estate arm. From Ft. Wayne schools:

Lease adds up at Imagine

This picture really got my attention. Through all my years of teaching I cleaned rooms, cleaned closets, even cleaned restrooms when custodians did not get around to it, cleaned the sinks in the room, bought my own cleaners and air fresheners, scrubbed desks, and so on. But never in a public school did I have to paint the room!


Cathie Rowand | Journal Gazette
Fifth-grade teachers prepare new classrooms at Imagine MASTer Academy, a charter school on Wells Street.


Charter school defends selling campus, renting it back

A Fort Wayne charter school is using state tax dollars to pay a for-profit landowner nearly triple in rent what it might have paid to own its campus outright.


Imagine MASTer Academy, on the former Wells Street YWCA campus, spends nearly one of every five dollars of its taxpayer-funded budget on rent to a real estate management company. Charter school-oversight officials in Indiana say the lease payments are on the high end of what’s recommended but appear acceptable. Ball State University, which monitors the Fort Wayne charter schools, said it’s closely watching – as it does all charter school budgets – to make sure the leases don’t creep much higher.

Similar real estate deals have come under fire in other states where the national charter school company, Imagine Schools, operates. But a local Imagine executive said such deals are necessary for the charter school company to invest in new properties.


Here is more about TX and NV tucked at the end of the article at the Journal Gazette:

Imagine’s Fort Wayne charter schools haven’t faced the same criticism as some other Imagine schools. Last month, the Dallas Morning News reported that Imagine has come under fire in Texas and Nevada for spending large chunks of its budgets on rent. An Imagine school in Las Vegas paid 40 percent of its budget on a lease to a real estate investment trust, the newspaper reported. The trust bought the school property from Schoolhouse Finance, Imagine’s real estate arm.

In Indiana, the high lease payments leave less money for Gov. Mitch Daniels’ goal to increase in-classroom education spending.

“Especially when basic academic programs are lacking, it is totally unacceptable that 39 cents of every education dollar is spent outside the classroom,” Daniels said during his State of the State address this year. Daniels, along with the Obama administration and Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, has supported charter school growth. Daniels, through a spokeswoman, declined to comment for this story, citing a lack of information on the situation.


The governor of Indiana is not well enough informed to speak on the topic. He's just doing what Arne wants because that is where the money is.

Here is something from Susan Ohanian's blog about the real estate and education mixing.

Does Imagine Schools Inc. force its charter schools to spend too much money on complex real estate deals and not enough money on teachers and academic programs?

A national charter school company that plans to open new schools in Texas, including one in McKinney, has run afoul of an education official in Nevada and two of its former principals, and they all pose the same question. Does Imagine Schools Inc. force its charter schools to spend too much money on complex real estate deals and not enough money on teachers and academic programs? Virginia-based Imagine Schools has emerged as one of the largest for-profit charter school management companies, running several dozen schools in 12 states. It plans to open Imagine International Academy of North Texas in McKinney next year.

Charter schools house their students in Texas in a variety of ways, according to the former Charter Resource Center of Texas, from renting space in a shopping center to doing complex property transactions such as Imagine's.

Typically, after an Imagine-managed charter school gets approval to open, Schoolhouse Finance, Imagine's real estate arm, purchases a campus and charges the school rent. After the school begins to pay that rent, Schoolhouse sells the campus to a real estate investment trust, which then leases it back to Schoolhouse. The charter school eventually sends rent payments – in one case upward of 40 percent of the school's entire publicly funded budget – to two for-profit companies.

"The arrangement is very lucrative because it's a direct conduit to public funds. The school property is paid off with public funds," said Gary Horton, who oversees charter school funding for the Nevada Department of Education. Nevada's charter schools include Imagine's 100 Academy of Excellence in North Las Vegas.


School properties paid off with public funds. I'm confused, are those school properties considered private property by that group?

At last count 18 Imagine Schools in Florida are getting taxpayer money for their for-profit charter schools. That is my taxpayer money. My money is also sending approximately 30 to 40 thousand (hard to get the correct figure) students to private religious schools with vouchers.

When I hear the chants from the teabaggers and other assorted screamers about not wanting their taxmoney paying for someone else's health care, I want to laugh.

Perhaps they should consider where their taxpayer money is already going...in many cases to enrich the real estate arm of their charter schools.

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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:25 PM
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1. Their books need to be publicly examined.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:27 PM
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2. I agree. But the rush is on to form more charters quickly now...
so I doubt investigation will be done considering the high level connections.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:32 PM
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3. Yes, I realize the articles are from earlier dates. I am just learning about it....
so it is new to me and very important info.

So those who jump on anyone who posts an older article, this is still ongoing apparently.

My taxpayer is going for 18 of these schools, maybe more by now.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:37 PM
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4. Finally, the tip of the iceberg ~ thanks for posting
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 09:44 PM by goclark
I have been saying that Charters are just a take over by big business of public education with the sole purpose of making money.

And ~~~~ to break the backs of the Unions.

They are well on their way to making Public Schools a thing of the past.

K and R

Edit to add: What is the teacher doing with a paint brush?
**********************************************************************
Cathie Rowand | Journal Gazette
snip: Fifth-grade teachers prepare new classrooms at Imagine MASTer Academy, a charter school on Wells Street.

********************************************************************
She needs to be in the classroom and preparing her lessons or meeting with other teachers.

She is taking away a job that a Custodial staff member should have --

I say this as a former school administrator for many years. It breaks my heart.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:54 PM
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7. I agree...that picture disturbed me.
Teachers should be teaching, not painting classrooms. Truth be told I used cleaning the room at the end of the day as a learning tool for the kids when the custodian was absent. We had it done in about 15 minutes before the bell. But I never painted a room.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:18 AM
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19. they must not pay their teachers much if they're willing to pay them to paint.
or maybe they don't even pay them, that's just one of the little extras the teachers are expected to contribute.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:23 AM
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20. Unless something has changed, their is no pay scale set with the Union

They can pay whatever they want to pay and as far as I know, it's not much.

An experienced teacher in a Public School would be taking a huge pay cut.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:31 AM
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:55 AM
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28. Good Point
Excellent post.:) :thumbsup: :)
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:39 PM
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5. K & R
:thumbsup:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:43 PM
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6. A couple PRIVATELY RUN charter schools here in Vegas went BUST last year, AFTER THE STATE GAVE THEM
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 09:45 PM by TankLV
TAXPAYER FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR EDUCATION!!!

We had to find space in the remaining PUBLIC Schools that were SHORTCHANGED by this WASTE of TAXPAYER MONEY and also find MORE TAXPAYER FUNDS to PAY for these kids' education - while the fucking CHARTER SCHOOL EXECS ran off with ALL their PAY intact!!!

Charter Schools are a PARASITE and SUCK FUNDS from OTHER more deserving PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!

BTW - we found out about it when the DOORS were LOCKED to the STUDENTS one morning!!!

The School District had to SCRAMBLE quickly to find space for them in our already OVERCROWDED system!!!

Nice huh?!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:55 PM
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8. Do you remember the name? Was it a chain school like Imagine?
That's terrible. If you find out the name, let me know.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 10:12 PM
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9. I believe it was an Edison School.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 10:24 PM
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11. Ah, yes, Edison.
Lots of stuff about them. Been a while since I wrote about them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:21 PM
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15. Here's a good blog about the re-emergence of Edison after its previous failure.
http://www.sfschools.org/2009/07/edison-schools-its-baaaaack-and.html

"Detroit’s public school system is hiring a retooled version of Edison Schools, a flopped school-reform fad of a few years ago, in a desperate effort to make over the floundering city’s schools.

In a local Bay Area angle, Detroit has brought in Robert Bobb, former city manager of Oakland and a non-educator, to be the school district’s financial manager. My understanding is that Bobb was respected in Oakland, but his business decision to hire Edison requires an unnatural willingness to turn a blind eye to past performance. I’m proposing a corporate motto for Edison: “Fool me twice, shame on me.” Edison is one of four firms the district is hiring; the Detroit Free Press (showing the press elsewhere how it’s done) has done its homework, finding a spotty history.

Edison, a New York-based for-profit firm, was the great shining hope of advocates of unleashing market forces on public education back around 2001. School districts around the country hired Edison to take over schools, which the company promised to turn into high achievers at no extra cost, while also making a profit for its shareholders.

...'Then Edison quietly fizzled as its clients, one after another, dropped the company, and retreated from the limelight, still running a few schools here and there.

But a few years later, Edison was planning its comeback. In October 2007 I blogged here about a leaked plan for the E2 project, a do-over for the company. Now, renamed Edison Learning, the firm is quietly — in contrast to its past grandiose publicity-seeking ways — trying to tiptoe into new client districts."


Doesn't sound like their comeback did good stuff with your tax money. :hi:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:57 AM
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29. I Am Heartened By The Responses In This Thread
Including yours.:)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 01:15 PM
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73. I'm glad - we must NEVER forget what these CRIMINALS are - EVER!
It constantly amazes me - sadly - that our Whore Media NEVER - NEVER ever cover the FULL story.

I hope when I die, and if there's a God, I am charged with HOUNDING those SCUM OF THE EARTH till they either CHANGE THEIR GREEDY SELFISH CRIMINAL ways, or voluntarily off themselves...!!!

Actually, and more close to my heart, if I get a chance at choosing my afterlife, I wish to be there with those suffering alone in the horrors of their condition, to make their last moments easier and the transition beautiful - especially for the suffering children...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:40 AM
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37. That's what will happen when the shell game is discovered


I can't for the life of me understand why people don't get this game!

Big Business Charters are destroying any hope of Public Education.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:29 PM
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58. And when all of this bad news comes about, do we begin banning charter schools? I doubt it!!!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 10:23 PM
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10. WTF can Obama be thinking?
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 10:25 PM by girl gone mad
Has he completely fallen for the corporatist free market propaganda?

Here in Texas, we had the awful Edison Schools. Anyone with too much time on their hands can read about this fiasco here: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-01-27/news/no-class/

Edison went on to bilk public investors then later pension funds (including a public school teachers pension in Florida) out of tens of millions of dollars. Charlie Crist and Jeb Bush were the trustees who approved that little deal.

Of course, in typical corporatist right-wing fashion, Edison still blames unions and politicians for their own business failures.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 10:26 PM
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12. You are right. Charter schools often are union busters.
And everything is always the fault of the unions and teachers. Always.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:37 PM
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62. Unfortunately, the public is too often willing to absorb right wing propaganda . . .
and unions and teachers have been their whipping boys -- the wedge used

to break thru to access to taxpayer pockets!!!

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:00 PM
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13. He's not thinking about it.
His hands are full with wars and banks and health care. I really think that Arne and his clients are sneaking this through.

No person can be an expert on everything. A good leader must choose people to advise on and even run some things. Our problem is that our president doesn't seem to be very good at picking good people. In fact, he seems to be picking some really bad ones for things like health care and finance and education. Then he has Rahm guarding access and screening 24/7. People who really know things never get heard.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:05 PM
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14. I am inclined to agree. There are two choices...
that I really paid attention to when Obama took office. The two that stood out at me were Duncan and Rahm...because they stand for everything I don't stand for in too many areas.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:35 AM
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21. how anyone can believe that, i don't know. of *course* he's thinking about it, it's not like he
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 12:37 AM by Hannah Bell
just *met* duncan, duncan was involved in the same policies in chicago, & that's why obama chose *duncan* - to push it on the national level.

http://www.counterpunch.org/sharkey12182008.html

http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/23_03/arne233.shtml

http://dbellel.blogspot.com/2009/08/click-to-play.html


it's naive or worse to say obama "doesn't know". he knows. & it's what's for dinner.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:44 AM
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41. I could easily go that way.
Forty years at this has made me a little cynical. But I've seen too much of those in charge following people like duncan because they don't really care about the issue and they buy the flash that arne and his ilk offer. He comes with ivy backing and Barack is an ivy guy. I can see Obama feeling out of his league on something as complicated as education. Look at al the DU'ers who buy into the "schools suck" and "we need testing" crap. Obama is just like them. He doesn't know that he doesn't know. Then he has rahm and his guard cherry-picking his info so that no real voice gets through.

I wonder just where Obama's speciality, his expertise lies. He can certainly woo a crowd. Surely he has a passion for some part of governance. But he sort of loses when it comes to picking advisers. Hell, Kennedy picked McNamara. Look what that got us. Maybe there is hope though. Some of what I read seems to indicate that Kennedy was starting to get the idea that McNamara wasn't so brilliant after all. Had he not been shot, we might have ended the war much sooner as he realized that some of his picks had muddy feet.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:34 PM
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60. Agree ---
only someone who isn't thinking can say such a thing!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:58 AM
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30. Wow. Thanks For Posting This.
I am bookmarking this thread for future reference (ammunition). Lots of interesting information here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:15 AM
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43. BTW Edison's back to do it again.
http://www.sfschools.org/2009/07/edison-schools-its-baaaaack-and.html

" Edison Schools: It's baaaaack, and bringing with it innovations like child labor
Detroit’s public school system is hiring a retooled version of Edison Schools, a flopped school-reform fad of a few years ago, in a desperate effort to make over the floundering city’s schools.

In a local Bay Area angle, Detroit has brought in Robert Bobb, former city manager of Oakland and a non-educator, to be the school district’s financial manager. My understanding is that Bobb was respected in Oakland, but his business decision to hire Edison requires an unnatural willingness to turn a blind eye to past performance. I’m proposing a corporate motto for Edison: “Fool me twice, shame on me.” Edison is one of four firms the district is hiring; the Detroit Free Press (showing the press elsewhere how it’s done) has done its homework, finding a spotty history.

Edison, a New York-based for-profit firm, was the great shining hope of advocates of unleashing market forces on public education back around 2001. School districts around the country hired Edison to take over schools, which the company promised to turn into high achievers at no extra cost, while also making a profit for its shareholders.

Edison was a big story in San Francisco in 2001, after the Board of Ed started looking into severing a contract initiated by former Superintendent Bill Rojas that had brought Edison in to run one SFUSD school. Edison, somewhat inexplicably, decided to respond to SFUSD’s move by working up a media frenzy (the willingness of the international – yes, literally international – press to make a major news story out of an arcane school policy issue, at Edison’s behest, baffles me to this day)."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:36 PM
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61. Market forces on public schools??? Meanwhile, evidently CIA money was often
hidden in our Federal budgets for public schools -- !!!

As much as 50% of the budgets were for the CIA !!!

No wonder our public schools have been struggling to such a degree over decades!!!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:06 PM
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51. Good question.
Maybe he thinks we could put extremely strict regulations on them?

This is troubling...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:33 PM
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59. Agree . . . Obama seems into the "god" game here, including the "faith-based" --
religious organizations tax payers are financing!!!

The Bush brothers have screwed up the nation -- Texas and Florida, especially --
and as these fiascoes become known, charter schools should be stopped.

We hear too little, IMO, about the simple failure of these schools -- and mostly
about what it is costly America and what it is draining from the public school system!

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:41 PM
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16. Another RW trifecta!
1. Control curriculum
2. Turn public funding into profit windfall.
3. Undermine public schools image.


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:02 AM
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17. The less money consumers have, the more the corporations leech off the government
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 12:02 AM by starroute
Face it. Capitalism in this country has failed miserably at (1) producing anything worth having and (2) maintaining a middle class able to actually buy anything.

Given that failure, the only other option is to siphon money out of the government and into private pockets. The military set the model for that. Now government services in general are being privatized and then sucked dry the same way. It's also what the health insurance companies would like to see coming out of health care reform.

It almost makes me wonder whether the teabaggers are at least half right -- whether they have some sort of precognitive sense that the coming scam is for the government to be used as an enforcement service to wring tax dollars out of all of us and funnel them to private providers of what used to be government services.

Hold onto your highways and your water supply -- they're the next glorious new frontier.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:15 AM
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18. the hypocrisy of these "christian" thieves is breathtaking. with regard both to religion & their
cant about "government-run schools".

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:38 PM
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63. Organized patriarchal religion is a long trail of corruption . . .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:19 AM
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22. Tampa..Imagine charter startup fails in Riverview
http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2009/04/imagine-charter-startup-fails-in-riverview.html

"RIVERVIEW -- A new charter school that would have served at least 230 students will not open this fall, Hillsborough County schools officials said Wednesday.

The startup bid by Imagine Schools, a national charter school provider, was blocked after the company was unable to secure a loan to build a facility near U.S. 301 and Big Bend Road, said district supervisor Jenna Hodgens.

"They said it was due to the state of the economy, that people were just not loaning money," she added. "That’s why they backed out."

Imagine Schools officials could not be reached for comment, and a telephone line for the Riverview site was disconnected."

Then a paragraph later:

"By next fall Hillsborough will oversee 33 such schools serving nearly 7,000 students."

We never learn.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:10 AM
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23. k i c k
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:34 AM
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25. But, but, but charter schools are just like public schools!
In fact they are public schools, only better. And besides, public schools need the competition. And anyway, this is what Obama promised.

Sorry, just channeling the anti teacher, anti public school folks before they show up here.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:01 AM
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31. I Like You MadHound
:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:35 AM
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45. Oh, yes, the mantra..."charter schools ARE public schools."
Thanks for channeling that first. :hi:

I think people are just so concerned with being elite and special and saying my kid's in a charter school....that they truly do not understand the full picture.

There are some good charter schools, I realize that. But there are too many that misuse our tax money.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:42 PM
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64. Where are our Democrats to make clear that they are NOT???
And the harm done to public education by draining money from public schools?

While I don't think there is any real excuse for Democrats' silence, I do think

that they well understand that politicians don't want to buck anything "god" related --

and that the public is always easily fooled by anything "god" related!!!

IMO, the politicians -- even Democrats -- are picked for and paid for their silence -- !!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:51 AM
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26. Public Schools A Government Monopolies?
What a goddamned joke. I suppose anything public is bad. Pfffft. Let's privative everything! Wow, would that be great!:sarcasm:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 03:18 PM
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53. The meme worked well, though.
Don't want any of those monopolies, do we?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:42 PM
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65. Evidently, if you make anything "god"-related, people throw their brains away . . . ????
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:53 AM
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27. Thanks For Posting This
It's important for people to know the REAL story. Good job madfloridian!:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:04 PM
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50. I don't think many people care.
That's the problem. The selling of charter schools good, public schools bad, teachers worse...has really worked.

People overall just shrug their shoulders about it.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:09 AM
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32. More of that looting of the public treasuries
raised to a high art form by the BFEE and their ilk.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:10 AM
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33. What a ripoff
Don't these states have Inspectors General? Has no one ever brought up these facts in a state legislature?
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:35 AM
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34. Thanks for the great info. Nice work n/t
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 07:36 AM by adamuu
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:36 AM
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35. Kick to read later.
I appreciate how much work you put into your posts, madfloridian. :applause:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:56 AM
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36. k&R to expose more riech wing corruption
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:02 AM
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38. Two Philadelphia charter schools raided by the FBI
Black white and fundie, some of these charter schools are just a license to steal

Here's an article on one of them:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/education/20090827_FBI_seizes_records_of_N__Phila__charter_school.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:56 AM
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42. Thanks for that...and it's our taxpayer money they are stealing.
I am just getting started on some around here. We have had some doozies fold in our area, I did not keep the info...and now I am having trouble finding it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:45 PM
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66. Thank you . . . and hope this investigation quashes any new Charters . . .
The expanding federal investigation has forced the Philadelphia School Reform Commission and the state Department of Education to take a closer look at charters.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 09:25 AM
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70. "In 2007, it received $9.4 million from the Philadelphia School District. "
That's a whole lot of money. :shrug:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:25 AM
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39. Certainly something Keith and Rachel should make part of their research...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:47 PM
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67. Would be interesting to have Governors quizzed on this ---
though I note that Daniels simply "didn't have enough info" -- !!!

Let's hope the public begins to wake up to this --

and to the whole issue of "god"-ing our government in one corrupt scam after another!!!

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:38 AM
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40. Thank you for putting all of this together.
I wish I could pin it to the top of the forum.

I am so sick of hearing about how charter schools are going to "fix" education.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:24 AM
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44. Well, thanks. Help keep it kicked...cause this is the wave of the future
in education with Arne in charge.

:hi:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:11 PM
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56. Yes.
After 8 years of Paige and Spelling, hanging on and hoping for the nightmare to end, it is a kick in the teeth to be facing this future for public education.

:kick:

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:48 PM
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68. THAT was a really frightening bit of info . . .!!!
OBAMA AND SECRETARY OF EDUCATION ARNE DUNCAN SUPPORT CHARTER SCHOOL GROWTH--!!!!

We'd have to be mad to allow this!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 11:52 AM
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46. Charter schools can advertise with public money...public schools can't
Parents are choosing a low scoring school in Sarasota County, FL.

http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=10960108

This makes my point...it's often an image thingy.

SARASOTA COUNTY - An organization that supports public school teachers in Sarasota County has sent out a flier warning parents about a specific charter school. The group says they want parents to be informed before their kids start school.

Many families of elementary-aged students in Sarasota County may have received one of these fliers. It was put out by Sarasota Classified Teachers Association. The headline on the flier: "Every elementary school in Sarasota County is ranked as an A or B school except one."

Imagine School at Palmer Ranch will open its doors for the first time on Monday. The new charter school will be the second in Sarasota County. Charter schools follow some of the same format as public schools...FCAT's are taken and teachers are certified. "Where we differ is we have our own school board; we are smaller. Our school board just does our school," says Assistant Principal Mary Tumbleson.

She says her school also uses their own curriculum, and that Imagine School's philosophy is something parents like. "What I have found for our parents here is that they are very educational-savvy...they've done their research."

The Sarasota Classified Teachers Association says they just want the best for the kids, and for parents to research the schools their child will be attending, and to not fall for the advertisements...look at the facts. They say charter schools can advertise with the use of their taxpayer funds, but public schools cannot advertise their advantages.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:18 PM
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47. Keeping this kicked a little.
Because it is my taxpayer money.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:39 PM
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48. k i c k
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:04 PM
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49. Thanks....drops pretty quickly.
You would think many would be concerned how their tax dollars are spent...and demand accountability.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:54 PM
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54. Yes . . . and I haven't had time to read any of it yet . . . do I'm trying to make sure
it stays available --

:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:05 PM
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55. Well, in that case..
I will help you. It's worth a read because it is so outrageous.

:hi:

Keeping it available for defendandprotect
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:20 PM
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52. Our Govt Schools are inferior to other nations Govt Schools, therefore Govt schools suck?
WTF? The anti-public school crowd obviously has some logic problems -- maybe the got that from the private education at Liberty U.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 10:21 AM
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71. YEP
Not only is the argument invalid, it is also false. American kids in the best public schools i.e wealthiest schools, score as well or better than their peers in other countries and nearly as well as those in Singapore which is the runaway leader in educational performance measured by standardized testing. The problem with K-12 public education in America is more a problem of social justice than it is of pedagogy.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 11:39 AM
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72. welcome to du!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 08:42 PM
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57. CREATE charter school head charged with urinating on concert goers.
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 08:43 PM by madfloridian
It just gets weirder. From Novemeber 2008

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2008/11/jersey_city_councilman_lipski.html

"A drunken Jersey City Councilman Steve Lipski, who is also the head of a charter school, has been charged with urinating on a crowd of concertgoers at a Grateful Dead tribute in Washington, the Daily News is reporting.

Lipski, 44, was hauled out of the club about 9:50 p.m. Friday after relieving himself from the second-floor balcony of the popular 9:30 Club, the paper reported, and was charged with simple assault, police said.

Lipski is also the head of CREATE, a charter school on Lembeck Avenue."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:11 PM
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69. Thank you, Madflorian for trying to get us caught up on this subject . . .
Too often Americans don't look past the "god" labeling to question what is really

going on -- I can only hope that this trust will be broken one day soon!

I'll be very disappointed if Democrats don't target Bill Nelson and stay on his tail.

And this is where the absence of anything like a "free press" really hurts because

all of those involved should be being battered with questions and challenges to these

charter schools.

It's another issue we all have to add to our long list of subjects to be raised as often

as possible -- "CA: charter school retirement funds unpaid for years" --

Of course, the entire subject of politicians for "god" also has to be opened up.

And there sits HILLARY!!!

"Fellowship goal -- to work towards leadership led by God" --

and it's tax exempt!!

That makes the Scientology decision the IRS seems to have been forced into after a decade

of resisting look good!

Americans need to wake up to this "god" corruption -- and especially the secrecy surrounding it!

:)
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