Fed-up Marine has guns blazing to oust Democrats

[stevedeshazer]

***worldnutdailyalert*** (don't click if you don't really wanna see it)

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107417

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SOMETHING IN THE AIR
Fed-up Marine has guns blazing to oust Democrats

'They're destroying this nation, and while I'm still breathing, I will not let it happen'

"Send a warrior to Congress."

"Does this look like a Rino?"

In the battleground of American political power, candidates for office tend to use every weapon at their disposal to be heard above the din.

Now, a U.S. Marine who helped lead the initial charge into Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein is taking that approach literally by brandishing his M-16 assault rifle in some eye-catching campaign fundraising ads.

"I'm taking full credit for that," says 28-year-old Jesse Kelly of Tucson, Ariz., a Republican seeking to boot Democrat Gabrielle Giffords from the U.S. House of Representatives. "If you're not going to get anyone's attention, you might as well not waste your time or money."

Sgt. Kelly, who is married and has a 9-month-old son, is splashing his spots across the Internet on high-profile sites such as the Drudge Report, and offering no apologies about the weapon imagery.

"I think people understand fully well that I'm serving my country," he said. "I'm in Iraq at war for my nation. I'm not posing in my bedroom
with a gun."

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Whoa. Hold on a minute here. This is way over the line, isn't it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. If he is still active duty, it crosses a few lines

more than just a few

[Kerrytravelers]

3. He is no longer active duty nor still in the reserves.

He just like to play dress-up in his old soldier uniforms and pretend to be a tough guy. He's a total fool.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Then he is a civilian, and it will up to the voters

[no bad days]

38. He was a Marine....

Who served so "playing dress up"? we should be careful on this one. If he is as crazy as the folks here say then let the people hammer him at the ballot box. He has a right to speak even if we don't like what he says.

[Kerrytravelers]

42. Careful with what?

He is setting forth this image that he is still serving, and he isn't. He is dressing up in his previous uniform and being disingenuous. I have not said he doesn't have a right to dress how he so chooses. He has every right. And I have every right to point out that he is manipulating his image.

Can you imagine the blowback that the Democratic veterans would have received if they'd pulled the same styled stunt as this guy.

[no bad days]

71. No aspersions toward you....

The tone of some however was as though he should be "shut up". I do not agree with the man however, criticizing a real combat vet as a nut (whether or not he is) is just giving the "right" ammo. As far as our side using vets like this unfournately....yes we do. John Kerry comes to mind.

[Kerrytravelers]

75. I don't think he should shut up. I do think, however, that he is using a very dangerous message.

His message is basically, I'm here to get shit done. And I am armed. Given the escalating tenor of the townhall meetings, is this really a good idea? And when he loses, which he will, what will the reaction of his supporters be? We can see how the McCain/Palin supporters have managed to cope. They have incited all kinds of violence. And there have been a number of shootings because people think "Obama will take their guns away." This "campaign" is just more escalating of the violence. Not really a message that someone who wants to be in Congress should really be sending out there. Can you imagine him in Washington?

When I read the article, I understood that these were campaign pictures, and I interpreted that as meaning he posed for specific pictures for this specific purpose. Upon rereading, I may have made an assumption as to the original intent of the pictures, meaning he took them while in service and is now using these older pictures for a campaign. Again, however, he is using them to incite a specific emotion. In regards to comparing him to John Kerry, I really think there is a world of difference. Yes, there were pictures of Kerry in uniform. And yes, there were pictures of Kerry hunting. But I don't recall pictures of Kerry holding a gun with the slogans this guy is using.

Honestly, I'm not too worried about the rw coming here and using our words against us. They are welcomed to scour DU to their cold little hearts content. We can do the same. In the end, it is what the actual politician says that will matter. And in all honesty, this guy hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell.

Thanks for the interesting dialog.

Editing to add:

The linked post says exactly what I was thinking. Only better. And more to the point. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6383640#6391194

[no bad days]

95. Thank you

For the interesting debate. Ideas can be dangerous things and should be well discussed, even (especially) the ones we disagree with.

[CitizenPatriot]

101. self-delete after further read nt

[cascadiance]

45. We should note that anyone can be a nut. Take McVeigh as an example...

He was also a vet and was a nut. Now one should be careful not to criticize him in ways that could backfire with those of the public that do like nationalistic symbolism and view critiques done improperly as being "unAmerican". But I think there's a way to be careful and still critique guys like this to make sure everyone sees the holes in his logic, without just attacking his nationalistic symbolism.

[noamnety]

51. I'm not impressed by his pathetic macho bullshit

- speaking as a former sgt, myself.

Waving his M16 around strikes me as a pompous show of dick-waving. The more you feel the need to brag about it while swaggering around grunting and thumping yourself on the chest, the less you probably know how to use it in a way that satisfies anyone except yourself.

[WildEyedLiberal]

96. Yep - most self-respecting soldiers don't do crap like that

Most of the ones who are this gung-ho hoo-ah when they're out of the service like this asshat are the ones who didn't amount to much when they were 'in country,' so they have to invent a badass legend for themselves. It'd be sad if it weren't so pathological.

[lib_wit_it]

54. Please use correct caps and punctuation to clarify your messages. It's the tradition around here.

Don't they do that where you come from?

[no bad days]

70. Where I come from .....

not everybody is a stuck up @$$hole. But if you disagree with someone they generally say so.....without the snarky attitude.

[lib_wit_it]

84. How could I agree or disagree with you--your message is so mangled, it's not possible to know

for certain what you're trying to say.

By the way, it's not exactly "stuck up" to expect adults to write at least as well as my third grade students. Sorry if that standard is too high for you.

[no bad days]

90. Mangled messages.....

Like "we should let the man speak, even if we do not agree with him." I can see were a 3rd grade teacher may have difficulty with that.

[lib_wit_it]

91. Um, yes, that part was obvious, in more than one way. But the beginning of your post was mangled:

"He was a Marine.... Who served so "playing dress up"? The W in Who should not have been capitalized, as it is not the beginning of a new sentence, but will be read as such due to the capital letter and it being the start of the body of the message. And even if capitalized correctly, we have, "He was a Marine who served so "playing dress up"?

One can assume what you meant was "He was a marine who served, so how is it that he's "playing dress up"? But that's an extremely sloppy way to try and say that.

Then you forgot to capitalize the beginning of your next sentence, which is distracting and insulting to your readers, as are all of your lazy mistakes.

I understand that over in freeperville most aren't capable of expressing themselves clearly, which explains a lot. But, when you come here, try to keep up.

[no bad days]

92. Your brilliannce.....

Is as overwhelming as your tolerance. (oR dId yOu gEt lOst w/mY sLoppy grAmmaR?) It is clear that you disagree with my original posting but rather than argue the point you attack my grammar. Being as I fail to be impressed with your self important attitude, you imply that my "sloppy" grammar makes me not only an idiot but a "freeper",,,,,,,,!!!!!@@@@(thut is wut u put at tha end ub a sentance idn't it?) So I make a minor point about respecting someone's right to be heard and you assume I am a right wing nut case.
I hope you don't have this same sort of attitude in your daily life. Maybe this has been something like "road rage".....yes thats it internet rage! Vent baby vent! It is good for you! Then go about your life as a open minded tolerant person. Then I will try to keep up.;)

[lib_wit_it]

94. Sorry, refuse to slog through that mess. I did catch the word tolerance and the phrase road rage,

I wrote this to you:

Please use correct caps and punctuation to clarify your messages. It's the tradition around here.
Don't they do that where you come from?

You responded

"Where I come from .....
not everybody is a stuck up @$$hole. But if you disagree with someone they generally say so.....without the snarky attitude."

Who sounds rageful?

Also, as the newbie here, you should show more respect for the traditions of the DU.

Oh, and btw, It's DemocratIC party, not Democrat party, you transparent freeper.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=144110&mesg_id=144151

I'm putting you on ignore. Buh Bye.

[no bad days]

98. Peace baby

I am adding you to my buddy list. Though you have casted aspersions as to my political leanings I hope you may yet listen to a slightly different point of view with an open mind. I hope to enjoy the pleasure of your posts yet again.

Sincerely
One pro choice, pro gay marriage, progressive (freeper?)

[Confusious]

99. Get down off the punctuation cross

Nobody but you cares.

and when did these "traditions" come around? I haven't heard of them.

You could have just said something about it, but you made an ass post.

JeRk

[gopiscrap]

88. Doesn't the retired military

still ahve some standard law about getting out of line even when they are retired...they are still recieving a Federal paycheck? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought there were certain restrictions on what ex service members can and can not do?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. It is doubtful that he was posing with an M-16 then.

[Kerrytravelers]

2. The man is unhinged. He seems to think, if elected, he can show up to Capitol Hill with guns blazing

That is the image he is using and the underlying message he is sending out.

I can't imagine how he'll do in a debate. Does he realize he can't stand on the stage with his Democratic opponent armed?

[lib_wit_it]

55. Why? Are there rules against that? None to keep the gun toters away from the President.

[xultar]

4. No one is going to do shit to stop this until someone gets hurt.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Unfortunately, you are correct.

This stuff will result in a tragedy, sooner or later.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. I'm not going to click that link, but

that guy sounds like a major fucking nutcase from what you wrote............

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Do we have to wait until that maniac kills a bunch of people?

[stevedeshazer]

9. I sure as hell hope not.

For every guy like this one, there are surely many more.

[The_Casual_Observer]

41. That guy is talking like McVeigh

[Edweird]

10. This oughta be interesting.

[MTERAN9]

11. Line Crossed?

It's a hyped political ad. What line do you think he has crossed?

[stevedeshazer]

12. LOL!

Good luck with that.

:)

[MTERAN9]

13. Head Scratching Time

That was an answer?

[stevedeshazer]

20. Here's an answer for you

If you think showing up with an M-16 in conservative advertising isn't threatening, you are ignorant.

Do you support threatening politicians with big guns?

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[Vickers]

63. I refuse to believe you are a Repuke.

At least throw some misspelt words in there to give you some wingnut cred.

[DireStrike]

65. Oh boy

Unfortunately the pattern with "reasonable" conservatives like yourself seems to be that eventually, as you argue with your own party and are shouted down with ever-increasing absurdities, you find it impossible to continue to support the GOP. The Democratic party is not really the place for you either though. I'd much prefer it if real rational conservatives could kick out the crazies and retake the GOP.

But... you hate the insurance companies? You believe corporations must be regulated as strictly as possible? I think that's grounds for being kicked out of the GOP. How on earth do you define yourself as a conservative?

You don't sound like an extremist at all. The defining characteristic of the right is that they don't believe in common ground. They don't even believe in fair argument, and are not interested in any facts, only supporting the party line as loudly as possible.

I'm embarrassed to admit that many left wingers fit that ultra-partisan mold as well. It's easy, because you don't have to think at all. I'm pretty sure though that a much higher percentage exists on the right. They would HAVE to be non-thinkers in order to support the clearly bankrupt policies that their leaders put forth, which serve only to harm their interests AND ideals. And I'm sure there are rational people on the right who support their agenda, only because they believe some part of the bullshit lines about liberals being the problem with "conservative" policy never seeming to work out when it is tried over and over and over again.

But mostly people just want to yell at the enemy. That serves the interests of the powers that be very well.

Personally I've lost nearly all hope as to a reasoned, non-violent solution coming to pass. Collapse and civil war seem inevitable, and my only consolation in that regard is that the right will not find the left as weak (or lightly armed) as they think.

As to your question, I'd say that anarchy is inevitably tyranny. It can be said that every government on the planet exists in a state of anarchy. A strong government represents the opposite of anarchy, the combined voice and reason of the people... when it has not been completely corrupted and ruined, as has our current government. Without a strong and true government, powerful interests begin to throw their weight around as they see fit. And there is no means to stop them. That is what tyranny is.

All of us hate the powers that be. We know we are being robbed and slowly killed, but the right has been wildly misled as to how and by whom.

I loves me some constitution. However, I think perhaps our country is too big. I would like to see the US split into two or three new countries.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. This asshole won't be crossing the finish line.

What a jerk.

He should stick to water and sewers, like Joe the plumber.

[Loki]

24. Too many lines of coke perhaps.

[14thColony]

58. There was a belief further upthread

that he was either still active duty or possibly in the reserves. If so, then his use of his uniform and other military imagery is an absolute violation of military law, without question. But since it appears he isn't AD or Res, he has crossed no lines.

Your respondent further down appears to have morphed the 'line crossing' from the legal aspect under military law to the moral aspect of totin' guns in an ad, which was not the original intent of the 'crossed the line' comment. So one point for you, none for them.

[Salviati]

14. Well now I know who to give some extra $ to...

Gabrielle Giffords seems to be pretty reasonable, good scores from the ACLU, League of Conservation Voters, and AFL-CIO. And she's in favor of a strong public option...

fordsforcongress.com/2009/07/31/giffords-health-care-reform-is-our-moon-shot/


http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=111&repId=28086&session_num=0&page=legScore
http://capwiz.com/lcv/bio/keyvotes/?id=34906&congress=1111&lvl=C
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/legislativealert/votes/index.cfm?act=3&location=House&termyear=2009&start=16

It's time to show these wingnuts that the crazier they get, the more organized we get.
fordsforcongress.com/

[WeDidIt]

15. I checked it all out, not a single line crossed

and not much different from some Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.

I wouldn't vote for him, but he's 100% legit.

[stevedeshazer]

23. Okay, fine.

Yeah, that's great.

Care to share which Democratic ads ran in 2006 or 2008 with phallic gun images?

You can't. I'll donate a star to the DUer of your choice if you can produce such an ad.

[WeDidIt]

31. There were all sorts of military regalia pushed by the vets who ran

Both sides do it.

Your outrage is bullshit.

[minnesota_liberal]

61. Gee, your links aren't showing up

Without any evidence, your claim is the same.

[WeDidIt]

69. Dude

Let me Google that for you.

:eyes:

Actually FIRING SEVEN ROUNDS FROM AN AK47!!!

[Rex]

80. Looks like a wannabe, doubt he even served.

:eyes:

[aikoaiko]

17. DIdn't Kerry use images of him schlogging through a jungle with an M-16?

:shrug:

I can't remember for sure.

[MTERAN9]

21. I don't remember specifically either.

I do remember his service record in Vietnam came up but I don't recall if he brought it up as a part of his campaign or if he addressed it due to the swift boat challenges. I definately remember that he had several pictures and such of him duck hunting (shotguns, etc.) as a way to win the pro gun votes.

[stevedeshazer]

25. To be fair, that is true. nt

[MTERAN9]

29. Donation Time?

So does that mean that you will be donating a star to the DUer of WeDitIt's choice?

[stevedeshazer]

33. Share the ad, I'll keep my word.

[MTERAN9]

35. Just Teasing

:-)

[aikoaiko]

67. And here's the campaign ad with John Kerry lugging an M-16 in Vietnam

its about 20 seconds into the 1 min clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wpG2Xesbk&feature=PlayList&p=F02CF9FD40BE295A&index=5

Both sides use images of their war service to promote themselves.

[stevedeshazer]

83. That was 2004.

[aikoaiko]

87. Yes, that was when he ran for President.

Were you looking for something further in the past or something more recent?

[aikoaiko]

66. Here it is. At about 20 second into the 1 min ad with M16 in Vietnam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6wpG2Xesbk&feature=PlayList&p=F02CF9FD40BE295A&index=5

[Paladin]

72. You DU Gun Militants Did Enough To Destroy John Kerry Already.

At this point you really need to lay off.......

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

78. He's just pointing out a little hypocrisy.

[aikoaiko]

86. That's funny coming from one of the most obsessive obnoxious posters on gun issues as DU.

Lay off...you have a lot nerve.


My post with John Kerry's ad toting an M-16 while at war is analogous to the ad in the OP which someone thought might have been out of line. I don't think it was in either case. I wasn't criticism Kerry for his campaign ad.

[WildEyedLiberal]

97. Edit- delete

[Life Long Dem]

18. So he's using an illegal war to say the Dems are destroying the nation?

Okay.

[Canuckistanian]

19. You can almost smell the testosterone

It smells like....Epic Fail.

[X_Digger]

26. Like JFK's PT Boat pins?

Or Kerry with shotguns..

[MTERAN9]

30. Interesting

I've never seen those. Was that part of his campaign? Pretty neat campaign pin (my assumption).

[X_Digger]

32. Yup, to remind folks that he was a decorated war hero..

If I'm not mistaken, there was also a gold version. Not sure of the significance, though.

[stevedeshazer]

36. You win.

Let me know who needs a star.

Kerry did that, it's true.

[MTERAN9]

40. Star Donation

I was just playing, but the follow through offer is very kind of you. I think the comment you made about a star donation was to WeDidIt.

[stevedeshazer]

49. WeDidIt provided the info.

I meant it. I'll follow through.

[MTERAN9]

37. My Guess

I would think you get a certain pin for a specific campaign contribution level.

[GodlyDemocrat]

48. I don't believe Kerry holding a shotgun helped his campaign

JMHO

[BolivarianHero]

27. Holy fuck...

Sounds fits for the cover of the next Mein Kampf translation.

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Watch the loons like Liddy and North rally around this guy....

... like pus to an infection.

[tabasco]

34. Another puke "self-made man" who took over the family business.

Another fucking Bush.

[The Gunslinger]

39. what a great role model for his 9 month old son.

[xchrom]

43. a perfect example of a 'Loon'. nt

[Gregorian]

44. Now that I'm seeing this kind of stuff, I have to say

that after 8 incredible years of Bush, I'm rather proud of Democrats for how they've handled themselves. I mean, that administration was so retched, and so hypocritical, I cannot believe how well we behaved. Talk about mature and intelligent.

And so now that the nightmare is over, these dingbats come out of the woodwork...for what? What on earth are they irate about? Health care? Responsible foreign policy? Concern for the environment? All I can do is just wonder what some humans are all about.

[RagAss]

46. They are about hate and racism. Did I really need to tell you that?

[GodlyDemocrat]

47. See Dukakis in Tank ... Bush in Fighter Pilot Outfit

Not a good political move.

[boppers]

50. An M-16 packing marine vs. Gabby? The dude's gonna need a bigger gun.

He hasn't quite learned not to pick fights unless he can win. Picking fights with some folks is dangerous.

Especially armed ones.

Armed ones who went to high schools that *required* genius-level IQ's for application (most don't make it past the testing phase).

She went on to Scripps, Cornell, picked up a Fulbright Scholarship (I assume she was bored and did it for fun, I'm not joking), and became a fellow at Harvard at the JFK school for government.

Youngest female AZ State Senator ever at the age of... 33. Went to US Congress at the ripe old age age of... 36.

She's a force to be reckoned with, and is likely going to be our first female president, if she wants it (maybe she'll get bored again and try it?).

Oh, and she's married to a Navy Captain, who flew 39 missions in desert storm, has 4,500+ hours in more than 50 different aircraft and over 375 carrier landings... but he since changed to a slightly faster/larger airframe. He's a space shuttle pilot, been up 3 times, one more mission planned in 2010.

Check out more on Gabby:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

[girl gone mad]

53. Too bad she's a DLCer..

and a "New Democrat". She can't be all that bright if that's the company she keeps.

[boppers]

57. She's an Arizona democrat.

Unions, gun control, capitol punishment, and other north and north-east social policies don't play out the same way in the desert.

Oh, and Obama was a DLC too. The DLC "claims" folks.

[bridgit]

52. "way over the line"? Perish the thought. He's just exercising his right to be insane

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

59. Another cartoon character

For Hannity to cream over.

Point and laugh. Point and laugh.

[minnesota_liberal]

60. Photoshop him into the famous Dukakis "Tank" picture

It's another way to play "dress up" and effectively lets him pretend he has a bigger gun!

[ima_sinnic]

62. so who he is w/o the gun, uniform, trite slogans, & tough-guy bullshit chest puffery?

NOBODY. a total dipwad asshole without a brain.

[Echo In Light]

64. "Macho, macho man. I've got to be a macho man." n/t

[L0oniX]

68. "fighting for our country" ??? No, you are fighting because of and for a policy.

[BreweryYardRat]

73. This isn't reminding the voters of a candidate's military service...

...this is a blatant threat. It's strongarm posturing of the worst sort.

It's all in the choice of language.

[Kerrytravelers]

76. You said exactly what I was thinking. But you said it way better!

:applause:

[MrScorpio]

74. That stupid motherfucker is in violation of the UCMJ

I think a nice court martial will do just fine here.

[Kaleva]

79. UCMJ doesn't apply to him as he isn't in the Marines anymore

[MrScorpio]

82. I missed that

Thanks

[JonLP24]

89. Even if he was, he'd recieve a field grade article 15 at best

Unless he requested to be court martialed.

[Kaleva]

81. More likely it's an AR-15 and not an M-16

[JonLP24]

93. I was in Army two years ago and the size of the gun

appears to be what we called a M-4. Don't know what an AR-15 is as I never encountered one so I don't know if there is a difference and I apologize if they're the same thing. Certainly not a M-16 though.

[Xenotime]

85. This could be taken as a treat with deadly force..

There needs to be a watch dog on this person.

[PM Martin]

100. Strange how these threats against liberals are acceptable

by the law enforcement community. Telling.

[LynneSin]

102. Irony is that there are many democrats who are Iraq Veterans and in Congress

like Patrick Murphy of PA-08. He didn't have act like an asshole and pose with guns to get elected and he defeated an incumbant.

[mitchum]

103. Posturing, roided-out no neck compensating for his tiny dick