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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:24 PM
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Don't EVER.... A note to socialism-hating conservatives.
A list I'm putting together to highlight the services they likely use on a regular (or as-needed) basis:



So, you say you don't like socialism? You don't want the government running anything? Wellll....

Don't EVER say you honor and support our military. The military (even including private, outsourced companies like Blackwater) are all paid and supplied by the Federal government.

Don't EVER call 911 for a medical, fire or police emergency. Emergency services are largely provided for by public servants using government-provided equipment and training.

Don't EVER drive on a federal or state or local highway. You can only drive on roads built and maintained by private companies. You'll really have to do this as you will not have a driver's license which is a product of a government agency.

Don't EVER buy any food that passed an FDA inspection. You have to grow your own fruits and vegetables and raise your own cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. Same goes for any medications.

Don't EVER visit a National, State, or Local park and especially don't participate in any activities there (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, etc. that would require further expenditures for licenses.)

Don't EVER be in a position you would need a public defender. They are paid for via public dollars.

Don't EVER expect or ask for the prosecution against someone who did you harm, directly or indirectly. The judicial system, you see, is a government-run agency paid for by our tax dollars and other fees.

Don't EVER visit a public library and use the resources there as tax dollars bought those books, PCs, etc.

Don't EVER put your children in public schools (elementary, high school, or college). The elementary and high schools are free via tax dollars. Teachers are paid via tax dollars.

Don't EVER apply for Medicaid if you become disabled or indigent and need assistance such as food stamps, medical care, utility bill assistance or job training. After all, you don't want other Americans who have no insurance to have it paid for via tax dollars, why should you get to take part in that system?

Don't EVER accept Medicare after you retire and no longer have any type of private health insurance.

Don't EVER accept any Social Security payment after you no longer work or a spouse has died. Live off of your private investments or the charity of friends and family.

Don't EVER apply for a small business loan from any government agency. Where do you think that money would come from anyway?

Don't EVER ask the government for help in getting child support payments from a deadbeat spouse.

Don't EVER apply for Unemployment if you should happen to lose your job.

Don't EVER mail a letter via the USPS and contact every single entity that would otherwise use the USPS for mailing you items to have them sent via UPS, FEDEX, or electronic delivery.

Don't EVER visit a museum that was built or is maintained or operated by any government agency.


Got that?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:27 PM
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1. Damn!! I'm sending this out with the "Joe Conservative" piece.
With your permission, of course!

k&r
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:28 PM
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2. Send away!!!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:33 PM
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3. This is great, I think the list could be longer.
I'm saving this. Thanks.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:34 PM
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5. Feel free to add anything good!
:)
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:42 AM
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63. Don't ask for Gov't help during a natural disaster.
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:51 AM
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66. Yep. Don't forget rural electrification.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:34 PM
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4. Thank You Roland, good job My Friend
however I have to chuckle at the notion of a socialism hating conservative visting a Museum.

Its so sad that so many people can see how stupid conservatives are but they can't see that themselves.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:34 PM
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6. HA! Yeah..guess the Creationism museum isn't gov't funded! lol
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mustardman Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:31 AM
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32. No wonder they don't have an education. It's socialism!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:34 PM
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7. This'd make a Great street sign. Shorten up somehow.
Against Socialism?
Just say NO to:
Our Soldiers
911 Emergency calls
State & National Parks
Highways
Public Defenders
Courts
Libraries
Schools
Medicaid & Medicare
Social Security
Small Business Loans
Help with deadbeat parents
Unemployment compensation
U.S. Mail
Museums
. . . . more and more

You could repeat the first two lines on both sides of the poster and then follow with half of the list one each side to make it more readable and, then, someone would need to stand at a good busy intersection with a stop light so folks could read it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:38 PM
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9. P.S. you could get additional friends to do the same thing with additional stuff and have this big
long list of stuff that WE invest in for U.S., a.k.a. AMERICA!!!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:40 PM
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10. Or you could make an email chain out of it. JUST SAY NO! - everybody adds to the list.
:rofl:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:42 AM
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57. That's a really good idea!
:evilgrin:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:26 PM
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123. Don't go to sports stadiums built with taxpayer money
go find a vacant lot and play kick the can with your wingnut friends.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:34 PM
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8. Don't ever fly, airlines use federal air traffic control.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:47 PM
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78. They can't ever fly
because almost all airports served by commercial aviation are public entities.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:31 PM
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108. Not to mention the socialist TSA!
Bur what the heck, everyone is tired of taking off their shoes in the airport anyway.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:41 PM
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11. Don't breath or drink any of our clean socialist air and water.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:05 PM
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12. Yeah...meant to add those in. Forgot about the FAA. Good one.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:58 PM
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13. And fer gawd's sake, dig a privy in the back yard
and stop using those socialist sewers to get rid of your bodily waste! There's something vaguely egalitarian about everyone's poo going to the same collective for equal treatment!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:25 PM
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31. You mean me and all them rich folk, our poo is Socialist?? De-Regulate poo, now!!!
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:13 PM
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80. well I'm going to build a private corporation
to send everyone's poo right to rash limpload's front lawn.






:rofl:
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:24 PM
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135. This needs to be a new Poo-Flag sporting the portrait of the OxyMoron himself..
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #135
136. yes I do!
HAHAHAHAHAHAh thanks for reminding me!
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:03 PM
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14. There is a complete disconnect with these people. Yesterday I met
a couple at a friend's party - the husband is a firefighter, the wife is a public school teacher - and they were ranting about socialism. :crazy:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:10 PM
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16. Same here. An old friend is a school teacher and her husband is in the Reserves
They have EXCELLENT insurance/retirement options.

Me? I have no health insurance right now. In order to get it I have to take a $3/hr cut in pay ($520/month) PLUS deductibles PLUS co-pays.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:07 PM
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15. Stay outta restaurants
Afer all, those socialist public health inspectors certify their food handling and make sure they're serving food that doesn't poison people.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:15 PM
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17. Also, if you live in rural communities, don't bitch about socialism.
Where do you think the farm subsidies that prop your communities up come from?
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:58 PM
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90. Milk prices -- held together by the gov
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:29 PM
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113. Rural areas wouldn't have electricity either if it weren't for the Government.

There would STILL be areas where utilities would have never laid lines if the government didn't pay for all the wire.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:15 PM
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18. don't use hospitals that aren't private- don't rely on the Coast Guard
to rescue you at sea-
don't expect your money to be secured by the Govt.
there are more.... gotta think
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:41 PM
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24. oooo... I got another good one!
Don't EVER ask again for the government to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:44 AM
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64. Yeah!!
That's a hot button.
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #18
41. Don't ever use the internets. They were invented by the Department of Defense.
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SUMMERTREE2 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:27 PM
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83. Don't use any hospital
There aren't any hospitals that don't receive any Government money. They receive Medicare reimbursements. Government inspects them to ensure quality and safety. All of their supplies are delivered on taxpayer funded roads. Most waste disposal is handled by taxpayer funded systems
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
118. Welcome to DU
Hope you like it here! :)
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #18
91. National Weather Service? Hurricane warnings anyone? anyone? Hellooooo Nebraska, Arkansas....
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:22 PM
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19. Dont take vacation time either!
Europe gets six fucking weeks of paid vacation, we get 13 days if we're lucky. Oh the horror of socialism!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:47 AM
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49. I once worked at a job where you didn't get a single
minute of vacation until you'd been there an entire year. And then, it was only 5 days. You didn't get 10 days until you'd been there 10 years. Of course those rules only applied to the peons. The bosses just took vacation time whenever they felt like it. One heartless SOB wouldn't give one of the underlings Dec. 26 off so that she could have an extra day to return from visiting family at Christmas. He declared "No vacation time over the holidays." He, of course, was gone the entire week between Christmas and New Years on a ski outing.

And, for the most part, Americans just take it without a lot of complaining because they need the lousy job with the equally lousy benefits.

People in enlightened countries expect their government to look out for them. In this country what few protections we have are courtesy of the government. The private sector doesn't give a shit.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:54 PM
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79. At least having five days is better than none.
I don't get paid vacation at my job - I just don't get aid when I'm not here - so i have to plan my trips very carefully. I hope Obamasets out to reform our vacation time. Maybe if the freeper fuckwads actually saw how the real world works they might actually give a shit.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:58 PM
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89. I have no benefits at my current job either. I'm a
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 02:01 PM by LibDemAlways
substitute teacher. Even if I take over for a teacher who is out on a 6-month leave and take on all of the responsibilities, I get nothing but a measly paycheck - the same as if I had worked one day. No sick pay. No vacation time. No health benefits. So I hear you.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:07 PM
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92. Same here. No benefits. I'm an adjunct. I have the same degrees, teach the same classes.
Now over 50% of the instructors in most colleges are adjuncts.
We are cheap labor.
And we never have a guarantee of a job. Semester to semester it's a crap shoot.
The only thing I will say -- I don't have to advise students and I don't have to attend Faculty Senate or serve on a committee. Otherwise.....I teach 3 classes, just like many of the tenured, who also get a paid sabbatical (that's a year off) every 7 years.

But... no medical, dental, or eye coverage. Finally got a 401K (and then look what happened... tee hee).

I love my job. I love teaching. I'd probably work for less if they covered my health care.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #92
112. As a grad student back in 1976 I was hired to teach a
section of Freshman Comp. The pay was a monthly stipend of $90.00. The prestige of being a T.A. was supposed to be compensation enough.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #89
120. dupe
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 06:38 PM by Initech
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #89
121. I have some friends that are substitutes.
They always talk about how lousy their pay is. I can imagine that would suck.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:54 PM
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100. "People's" government represented by candidates/elected officials PRE-BRIBED and . . .
PRE-OWNED by wealthy corporations aren't going to protect us --

We have to end campaign finance BRIBERY . . . !!!

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
106. One company I worked for
required the hourly employees to submit their vacation hours when they took vacation, but the salaried employees were allowed to take their vacation without submitting their hours. Consequently, when the company went under, all the salaried employees had the maximum number of vacation hours that one could accrue. It was a huge amount of money! The CFO was furious! I just laughed - they have reports that show how many hours each employee/department has accrued on the books. Maybe she should have run them & looked at them.



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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:23 PM
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20. Don't ever take off of work on Labor Day, Memorial Day,
Independence Day, or any other Federal Holiday (including Christmas).
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. And, while you are working, don't complain if you get injured
You don't need all of those socialist safety rules that OSHA institutes and enforces.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
94. Isn't Workman's Comp a... dare I ask.... government coverage???
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:25 PM
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21. Fishing and hunting!
Don't ever go fishing or hunting, as those activities are mostly done on federal publicly administered land. And the wildlife resources are largely state government owned anyway, you need to buy licenses for them.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Yeah...had that one covered!
And that's a big one with the "Sportsmen for Bush" crowd. :eyes:

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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:39 PM
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23. Get your own Doppler radar and weather equipment
Do your own weather prediction, as the National Weather Service and NOAA are government agencies.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Well, if Santorum had had his way, we'd already be paying for that!
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:42 PM
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25. Amen and amen! Preach it, Brother Roland.!
:yourock: K & R bigtime.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Don't ever use the judicial system for
Civil lawsuits, small claims court, torts, divorces, adoption, child custody, name changes, malpractice, personal injury, landlord-tenant disputes, probating your parents' estates, acquiring guardianship of minors or incompetent adults, contract disputes.....

Don't send your kid to school. Put 'em to work in a dangerous, hazardous factory or coal mine, because of Federal Child Labor laws.

Don't ask the boss for minimum wage, overtime pay over 40 hours, potty breaks, lunch breaks, non-hazardous working conditions, or special accommodations for health problems under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Don't let the EEOC sue on your behalf for sex, age or racial discrimination.

Don't use handicapped parking spaces or ramps, if you are disabled, since those are mandated under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Don't buy gasoline at a station where the govt regulated the purity and contents of your gasoline.

Don't buy a car with Federally mandated mileage standards, airbags, seatbelts, and crash resistance technology.

I am a lawyer, and I thought of this stuff off da top of my (overeduated) head.

:D
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. I'm sure we can also use...
...CLOCKS in there somewhere. Aren't they all set off the USN's Atomic Clock?

Return to less socialism! Work ends at dark, not some arbitrary value determined by governments!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
125. Amen! Lawyer here too, tell them to take the jobs the illegal aliens take
where there are no such protections! Isn't that capitalism the way they say they want it? Just pure market forces!

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #25
58. Amen and amen! Preach it, Brother Roland.!
Which reminds me...

Don't go to church or buy things from businesses owned by the church. They are tax exempt and so get a free socialist ride.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:22 PM
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29. Socialism isn't socialism unless it's inconvenient for them. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. Does that make it an...Inconvenient Truth?
:)
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:48 AM
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33. Great! National Institutes of Health? Garbage Collection ...
... local "socialism."

And don't let the National Guard guard you! (Oh, that's right, they're all in Iraq, bringing democracy to the Iraqi people.)

And shun FDIC. If your bank fails, don't take any money from the *Federal* Deposit Insurance Corporation. But is that really federal? Maybe it's like the "federal" reserve, which isn't federal.



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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #33
77. Isn't It So Republican That...
They want their money insured by the government but not anyones health
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:49 PM
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129. It's elementary, my dear Oldtimeralso! nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #33
128. True! Let them bury their garbage on their own private property!
They value their rights to their own private property so much, why do they think their garbage should go elsewhere?
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. That's right. It's theirs, they've earned it, and by golly, even their garbage ...
... says "Don't tread on me"! :)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:21 AM
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35. Don't ever apply for Gov't Grants and Aids for research, demonstration models, etc
And never ask for the pass ports in order to travel...and never ask the US Consulate in whatever Country you get stranded in due to Theft/Robbery/Injury loss of funds. Or if in any other troubles requiring Fed Help....and Forget that Coast Guard Cutter/Helo if stranded in the ocean/forests/lakes/swamps/etc

All Civilazations must have a form of socialism in order to maintain large populations organized and healthy.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:44 AM
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36. Great list! nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:24 AM
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37. K & R
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:49 AM
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38. Get off the socialist power grid.
10% of rural households in the US had electricity in 1930. A decade later 90% had power, thanks to the New Deal Rural Electrification Administration (REA). From 1949, the REA could also provide assistance to co-operative telephone companies.

In 1994 the evil socialist REA was incorporated into the US Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service (RUS), which is charged with providing public utilities (electricity, telephone, water, sewer) to rural areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Admi...

OK so don't use the phone either. And don't use public water or sewage. And don't eat food that was produced at socialist farms where these government subsidized utilities are used.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:11 AM
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39. Get off the Internet.
Brought to you by your friends at DARPA. You know, the socialist entity funded by your government tax dollars. They invented it. Plus don't pay those taxes connected to your phone bill or cable bill. They go to a government entity too.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:17 AM
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42. Get off the Interstate Highway system.
You know that highway system created by that Socialist bastard Eisenhower. I would also restrict the use of any medicines and medical procedures that were developed through research by universities or laboratories that receive federal grants to those who support government led social programs. Let them conduct their own research. The Republican scumbag obstructionists could be wiped out in one generation.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:11 AM
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40. more:


Don't EVER use the IRS deductions for health care expenses, dependent care and/or child care.

Don't EVER flush your toilets, drain your sinks or showers and burden our public waste water systems.

Don't EVER insure your savings with the FDIC.

Don't EVER drive on our roads and highways.

Don't EVER open up a water faucet and use the publicly subsidized water.



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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:37 AM
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43. Another OP using the 'repeat the first phrase of every sentence' conceit.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 07:42 AM by Richardo
Can't blame you, it works, doesn't it? Those Recommends roll right in. :thumbsup:
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:55 AM
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44. Hypocrisy, thy name is Conservative
Wonderful points, Roland, and very telling. And Patrice is right: this would make an excellent sign, especially when protesting anti-single-payer and anti-public-option types, birthers, deathers, and teabaggers.

Here's a link to a poll I did a few days ago that also addresses this particular hypocrisy of the far-right:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/447327
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:25 AM
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45. Who's suppose to read this? Freepers?
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 08:28 AM by Butch350

Shouldn't this be on a freepers site? Who is it pertinent to here on DU?

I guess it's clever though but it falls on deaf eyes, ears, what ever.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:15 AM
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55. If you think freepers, in the form of trolls...
...aren't reading this, then you haven't been paying attention to the rest of DU. Whether they have the courage to make themselves known is another matter.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:42 PM
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127. It makes a good response to freeper emails
You're against discussing ideas for fighting freepers in the world in general?
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:28 AM
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46. They for student loans and pell grants & public universities
Also, any current or new medical treatment, because it comes from federal grant research dollars. Pray for you kids instead.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:31 AM
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47. Good list, but the military one doesn't fly
I get pointed out to me frequently that the Constitution ONLY says that we have to provide for the common defense.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:30 AM
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61. Constitution ONLY says that we have to provide for the common defense.
Isn't that what hoarding guns at home is for?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:50 AM
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70. Yes, but.
In course of going about that providing for the common defense there is a lot of spin-off technology. Many of the things they dream up to kill people also ultimately end up with peaceful uses.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:44 PM
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97. the things they dream up to kill people also ultimately end up with peaceful uses.
It's more like the defensive stuff becomes more useful than the offensive stuff. Y'know, like radar.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:39 AM
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48. Socialism is the only thing that will save america.
Capitalism is an obvious failure. I don't know why so many people continue to try to revive a corpse.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:32 AM
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62. Capitalism is an obvious failure.
No. UNREGULATED Capitalism is an obvious failure.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:59 PM
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102. Obviously, regulation isn't sufficient .... the very nature of capitalism is to control
the wealth and natural resources of a nation -- moving the wealth from the many to the few.

Capitalism was regulated -- and it was overturned with corporate wealth used to buy and bribe

our elected officials/candidates!

It's not sufficient -- the very nature of capitalism -- a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill" system

is unhealthy for America. As long as we have capitalism we have a message that business is

more important than people. We need to change that overall message to one of social conscience.

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:49 AM
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50. The sad thing is that most repugs would rather have all of those institutions
privatized. They are clueless about what Enron did to utilities when they were privatized. They are clueless about what Blackwater costs the taxpayers. In their vision of Utopia EVERYTHING is privately owned and operated by a million "Joe the plumber" types. They don't understand that if all these institutions were privatized they would be far, far more costly. Big Corporations don't "compete"; they form monopolies. Ad make no mistake about it; America would be (and is to some degree) wholly owned by large corporate interests, not honest hard working individuals.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:52 AM
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51. I guess Rush, Hannity, Beck, et al need to get off the radio, too.
You know... since the public (i.e. the government) has owned the airwaves since the 1930s.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:55 AM
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52. great list, although I have to say
I actually know people who are against some of these things, and who think that libraries and fire departments should be privatized and capitalistic.

It really boggles the mind.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:53 AM
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67. Yep - I talked to a Ron Pauler that pretty much wanted to get rid of everythihg but the Military.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:05 AM
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53. Don't apply for Government Flood Insurance.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:52 AM
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71. Or earthquake insurance
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:13 AM
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54. Great list
May I print this out and hand it out at a town hall meeting I'm attending next week? The astroturfers heads will expolde when they see this.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:58 AM
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73. that reminds me, since the government manages the forests
they shouldn't use any wood or paper products.

If you wish to have a dining room table with which to converse, grow your own tree on your own property and build it yourself.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:09 PM
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93. Awesome plan! Do it and report on what happens!
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:26 AM
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56. Some is good, more is better!
How many MORE services could the government provide in a way that enhances our lives?

Should the government take over ALL food production and distribution (above and beyond subsidies, inspections and food stamps)? Too much disparity between what rich people can afford to eat and what poor people can afford. Too much bad, fat, empty food - if the Feds have 100% control over what's on the shelves, our diets can be directed towards healthy, sustainable, organic foods.

Jobs: All hiring should be done by ONE central agency - the Office of Occupational Assignment. This organization would have a mandate to place people in jobs needed by society, irrespective of the factors that people use to discriminate in employment.

Housing: Along with food and health care, we need housing to survive. By nationalizing all residential property, the government can assure that everyone has a home, and no one has more home than they need. People can be assigned residence based on their personal, health, and occupational requirements, and not merely on "what they can afford".

The "ownership society" has led to wide disparities in standards of living. Only by public ownership of every home and enterprise, with crushing penalties on the underground markets that will spring up, can we create a truly egalitarian society.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:16 PM
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137. Too far. Look to the Social Democracies of Europe where is a good balance,
between capitalism and socialism. We have a few aspects of a Social Democracy. The happiest countries just happen to be social democracies.
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Tuvok Obama Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:14 AM
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59. Kicked, recommended, bookmarked for future reference
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:17 AM
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60. Started new semester today. This goes on my office door. BRA-VO!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:31 AM
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68. Wow...cool! And there have been some good suggestions, too.
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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:45 AM
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65. maybe they could Boycott these things...
...like we're doing Whole Foods!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:42 AM
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69. Don't use the phone, watch TV, listen to the radio or use anything with GPS
all those things use signals beamed from socialist satellites.

While we're at it don't drink Tang or ever get any kind of radiation treatment for your cancer.

In fact you should probably abstain from any technology that is a military or space program spin off.

That pretty much leaves you with some sticks and rocks in a grass hut. Enjoy!
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:53 AM
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72. Excellent!
Saving this to send as a "catch-all" reply to any righties.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:01 PM
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74. Great! I'm passing it along to my GOP pals nt
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:23 PM
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75. A couple more...
Conduct all your transactions by barter. Coin of the realm is socialistic.

Do not salute the flag that represents a centralized, socialist, government.

Refuse to attend July 4 celebrations unless they are dedicated to a government founded on the basis of religion.
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rickford66 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:39 PM
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76. They do deserve Social Security
If they have paid into SS they deserve their money back. Most people reclaim all they ever paid in within a couple years. After that, they should refuse any more socialist money.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:20 PM
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81. Outstanding!! Awesome!! Preach it, brother Roland (to quote several people here)
:applause:
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SUMMERTREE2 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:22 PM
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82. Don't drink the water
Even bottled water receives subsidies. Bottled water needs to be transported over taxpayer funded roads and highways.

If you are using a powered pump for your well consider the electricity or fuel that powers it. Think of how your pump was transported to your location.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:33 PM
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84. They are always the ones demanding to go to the front of the line....
For their Government "Socialism" Benefits.

They bitch, piss, and moan, but they are always the first ones with their hands out. If they do not get enough, then they demand that others be cut off, so they can have more.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:41 PM
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126. You shed interesting light on this
They are against other people benefitting, they aren't against any program that gives THEM something. If they have health care, they don't want the government wasting $$ on health care for other people, they want the government to use that money to further benefit THEM.




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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:36 PM
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85. And don't
Use any money, because money is socialist too. Go dig up some gold and silver, but make sure it's your land you dig on.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:38 PM
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86. Don't bathe or flush your toilet or do the dishes. Leave our water system alone.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:41 PM
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88. And get your own air supply. Do not pollute ours!
And get your own flag and stop saluting ours, you prick!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:39 PM
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87. K&R and passed along....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:34 PM
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95. It's also time to look at what we've LOST as privatization, unregulated capitalism, corporatism --
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 02:48 PM by defendandprotect
have crossed the threshold in America to deliver fascism . . .

Our roads/highways bearing new signs of ownership as they are being sold off --
lack of maintenance of our infrastructure, states in insolvency --

At the end of WWII when most Americans were yearning for peace and to spread peace
throughout the world, others had other plans. Even as the war was ending there were
those who were trying to move our troops out to Vietnam.

Rather than rebuilding existing housing, new wealth was created by destruction of open
spaces - creating American ghettos in areas of older housing.

WWII and blowback from American propaganda created a new push at the end of the war for
human rights -- civil rights -- quickly contained by the McCarthy Era -- "fear of reds
under beds."

As the nation was correctly moved to end Segregation, Inc. and introduced The Voting Rights
Act, computers were being introduced which now gave our "press" not only the ability to
report vote totals, but to PREDICT vote totals and to CALL elections for candidates and
to CALL states/Electoral votes. Two journalists at that time investigated the fraud of
computer voting, but Americans wouldn't wake up to it until after 2000!

As we reflect upon the "Southern Strategy" predicted by LBJ and carried forth by Nixon, might
we consider whether it had more to do with computers than with racism? Who really profited
when Southern towns were filled with hatred, violence and turmoil - when public education was
shut down and replaced with private schools?

Who profited when all public schools were insufficiently financed and minority children brought
into the poorest communities to segregate their schools? Oftimes, CIA monies were hidden in
public school budgets further undermining our investment in public schools and harming towns/
communities.

The Cultural Revolution -- often referred to as the "sexual" revolution to hide the truth
of its complete and total attack on our culture and patriarchal authority suffered a new
backlash as patriarchy sponsored "Christian" values and used religious fanatics in their
own interests to co-opt social change -- while corporations bought government and our
candidates/elected officials.

We have lost all substance of a free press now dominated by 5 major corporations.

We have lost the arts and humanities -- once easily in reach of the public.

We have lost the peace -- with out culture now permeated by violence. Our police enforcement
more often directed against the public than serving it. Entertainment -- movies/TV filled
with violence, torture - widespread stupidities.

Our communities are dominated by bank buildings and medical services as our illnesses grow
and our personal assets dwindle.

Cameras placed in open areas speak clearly to a loss of freedom, willingly surrendered for a
hope of feeling secure!

Most Americans are working longer hours now with stagnant wages -- my kids frequently work
on Saturdays to "catch up" . . . in this downward spiral of employment.

MIC has delivered a system where 45,000 private corporations and as many mercenaries are
involved in Iraq as our own troops -- but they were supposedly unable to protect us from
19 terrorists which the entire world was warning us about for months before.

Rather than security, as America surrenders its values to "torture" and illegal wars, we have
seen nothing but more corruption and crime by capitalism.

Rather than enriching our lives we are throwing our lives away to materialism and fear-based
remedies -- in many ways we have begun to live the GOP's dream of "third world America."











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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:39 PM
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96. Don't ever use the Internet
The construction of which was funded by federal dollars -- spearheaded, btw, by one Al Gore.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:45 PM
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98. Here is a good one.....
Don't ever enroll in a medical residency program and expect a paycheck because...thats right....Residency programs are primarily funded by Medicare(DGME/IME), which as we all know is unadulterated SOCIALISM.

(on a side note...My FIL informed me that in order to keep his private health insurance that he had before retiring, he MUST enroll in MEDICARE when he turns 65. Can anyone say forced Socialism via Health insurance industry?)
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:48 PM
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99. bridges, dams and levies nt
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:56 PM
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101. I've Consolidated The List
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 02:57 PM by ChoppinBroccoli
Great idea by the Original Poster. I've taken the original list and all the other suggestions and created a Master List, if you will. I plan on sending this to every person on my e-mail list and suggest everyone here do the same (I've entitled it "Down With Socialism!!!") Here's the Consolidated Copy. Feel free to add or subtract as you like, but I'd definitely like to have one "Master" document with EVERYTHING in it once we're done here.



So, you say you don't like Socialism? You don't want the government running anything? Wellll....

Don't EVER say you honor and support our military. The military (even including private, outsourced companies like Blackwater) are all paid and supplied by the Federal government.

Don't EVER call 911 for a medical, fire or police emergency. Emergency services are largely provided for by public servants using government-provided equipment and training.

Don't EVER drive on a federal or state or local highway. You can only drive on roads built and maintained by private companies. You'll really have to do this as you will not have a driver's license which is a product of a government agency.

Don't EVER buy any food that passed an FDA inspection. You have to grow your own fruits and vegetables and raise your own cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. Same goes for any medications.

Don't EVER visit a National, State, or Local park and especially don't participate in any activities there (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, etc. that would require further expenditures for licenses.)

Don't EVER be in a position you would need a public defender. They are paid for via public dollars.

Don't EVER expect or ask for the prosecution against someone who did you harm, directly or indirectly. The judicial system, you see, is a government-run agency paid for by our tax dollars and other fees.

Don't EVER visit a public library and use the resources there as tax dollars bought those books, PCs, etc.

Don't EVER put your children in public schools (elementary, high school, or college). The elementary and high schools are free via tax dollars. Teachers are paid via tax dollars.

Dont EVER attend a State University, or apply for any kind of financial aid (Pell Grants, Federally Subsidized Student Loans, etc.) in order to do so.

Don't EVER apply for Medicaid if you become disabled or indigent and need assistance such as food stamps, medical care, utility bill assistance or job training. After all, you don't want other Americans who have no insurance to have it paid for via tax dollars, why should you get to take part in that system?

Don't EVER accept Medicare after you retire and no longer have any type of private health insurance.

Don't EVER accept any Social Security payment after you no longer work or a spouse has died. Live off of your private investments or the charity of friends and family.

Don't EVER apply for a small business loan from any government agency. Where do you think that money would come from anyway?

Don't EVER ask the government for help in getting child support payments from a deadbeat spouse.

Don't EVER apply for Unemployment if you should happen to lose your job.

Dont EVER complain about getting injured at work or apply for Workers Compensation. Who needs all those Socialist safety measures OSHA institutes and enforces?

Don't EVER mail a letter via the USPS and contact every single entity that would otherwise use the USPS for mailing you items to have them sent via UPS, FEDEX, or electronic delivery.

Don't EVER visit a museum that was built or is maintained or operated by any government agency.

Dont EVER ask the Federal Government for help after a natural disaster. FEMA is socialism.

Dont EVER fly on a commercial airline. Airlines use Federally-funded air traffic control. Plus, commercial airports are considered public entities like public parks, public libraries, and public schools, which you also hate.

Dont EVER hook your home up to a public water supply. Get digging on that private backyard well.

Dont EVER hook into a public sewer system in order to rid your home of your own bodily waste. Outhouses can still be fun.

Dont EVER ask the Government to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border or to do anything about illegal immigration.

Dont EVER take a day off of work on Labor Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, or any other Federal Holiday (including Christmas).

Don't EVER go fishing or hunting, as those activities are mostly done on federal publicly administered land. And since the wildlife resources are largely State Government owned anyway, you need to obtain licenses for them.

Dont EVER use wood or paper products. The Government manages the forests. Hope youve got enough trees on your own private property to meet all your wood and paper needs.

Dont EVER watch a weather forecast provided by your local news agency. The National Weather Service and NOAA are Government agencies. Back to the Farmers Almanac for your weather predictions. Besides, Im sure youd never watch ANY show broadcast on the PUBLIC airwaves. That would be Socialist. Maybe you could get Rush Limbaugh to bellow out of an open window, because using the public airwaves to receive radio broadcasts is Socialist too.

Don't EVER ask the boss for minimum wage, overtime pay over 40 hours, potty breaks, lunch breaks, non-hazardous working conditions, or special accommodations for health problems under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Don't EVER let the EEOC sue on your behalf for sex, age or racial discrimination.

Don't EVER use handicapped parking spaces or ramps, if you are disabled, since those are mandated under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Don't EVER buy gasoline at a station where the Government regulated the purity and contents of your gasoline and inspected the pumps to make sure they work properly and arent rigged to overcharge you.

Don't EVER buy a car with Federally mandated mileage standards, airbags, seatbelts, and crash resistance technology.

Don't EVER go to church or buy things from businesses owned by the church. They are tax exempt and as such, get a free Socialist ride.

Dont EVER deposit your money in a bank insured by the FDIC. If your bank fails and you lose all the money you worked so hard to acquire, don't take a single dime from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. That would be Socialist. Just hide all your money in your mattress where its free from the evil clutches of Socialism.

If you live in a rural area, dont EVER ask the Socialist power grid to provide electricity to your home. Dont use the Socialist telephone lines, either.

Dont EVER conduct your transactions by any means other than barter. Using any kind of coin of the realm would be Socialism.

Dont EVER salute the flag. Its a symbol that represents a centralized government, which we all know is the root of Socialism.

In fact, if youre receiving THIS, you may be a Socialist. You see, the internet is a product of the Department of Defense (a branch of the evil Federal Government you hate so much).

Got that?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:01 PM
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103. Don't forget, American taxpayers have just bailed out CAPITALISM . . .!!!
Again . . . !!!
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:07 PM
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104. FHA home loans.
Some would add veterans' benefits but I consider those earned through service and I doubt many veterans would sit around making goofy claims about the VA being evil socialism when their health care depends upon it.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:43 PM
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105. Well done, Roland99!
Great list. And sometimes FEDEX and UPS have the USPS deliver "the last mile."

Group health insurance also qualifies as socialist even though implemented by private companies, since it involves a group of people pooling resources for the benefit of those unlucky enough to need extra medical care. The private insurance companies administer this socialist program for a fee (profit), but the underlying concept is socialist.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:49 PM
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:15 PM
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117. "There was no conspiracy to organize protests just people's common sense coming forth."
uhhhh..... :wtf:


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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:10 PM
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110. Dr. Paul, don't you have a Klan rally to attend?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:17 PM
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111. What about the Internet(s). Wasn't the information super highway developed by the Federal
Government using our tax dollars too???

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:01 PM
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116. Don't call the fire department when your house is on fire.
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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:32 PM
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119. 85 DEMOCRAT GREATS
82 GREAT THINGS BY DEMOCRATS

ALL AMERICAN PARTY

Can anyone name ten for Republican Country Club Party

Credit for this most of this information goes to my friend, a great mind, and his terrific site
(Rev.Ray Dubuquewww. Liberals like Christ.org)

Republicans fought most of these plus WWII Draft

A good Fun Test-List ones Country Club Party fought tooth and nail
And wanted to drown in a bathtub
If it was good for Middle Class and Poor Conservatives fought most of them

Thanks to: Since 1980-- 20 years of three Conservative presidents18 years of Conservative Senate-12 years of Conservative House-6 years of Total Conservative Control= 2 unneeded warsdestruction of Wall Street-- Housing Industry--and collapse of Economy to deep recession

Country Club Party got what they wanted

Redistribution of Income-Wealth

1% own 21% of national wealth10% own 71%

Viva Third World Nation

2009 Health Care Reform70% want it per pollsKill it say GOP

1. social security act

2. medicare

3. gi bill of rights

4.national industrial recovery act

5.national housing act

6.federal communications act

7.national labor relations act-wagner act of 1935

8.fair labor standards act (min wage & max hours laws)

9.public works adm-works progress adm

10.civilian conservation act

11.Tennessee Valley (power) Authority (TVA)

12.rural electrification act (REA)

13.full employment act

14.permanent school lunch program

15. Truman ended segregation in armed forces

16.veterans emergency housing act

17.public health service act

18.marshall plan

19.peace corps

20.aid to dependent children program (schip)

21.small business investment act

22.establishment of arms control and disarmament agency

23.consumer drug protection laws

24.equal pay act

25.manpower development and retraining act

26.clean air act

27.mental health and mental retardation act

28.college and vocational education act

29.civil rights act

30.voting rights act

31.mass transportation act

32.omnibus poverty act (office of economic opportunity, vista, job corps and public assistance programs)

33.war on poverty

34.head start (for pre-school children)

35.land conservation fund

36.permanent food stamp program

37.appalachia regional development act

38.elementary and secondary education act

39.higher education act

40.older Americans Health act (medicare and medicaid)

41.law enforcement assistance act

42.immigration reform act

43.freedom of information act

44.clean water restoration act

45.coal mine health and safety act

46.Schip Health Care for 11 million children-Clinton bill 1997
Bush vetoed reauthorization twice. Is he sane?
Why do Republicans hate little kids?
Reauthorized in early 2009 under Obama and democratic senate

47.federal ethics code

48.civil service reform

49.creation of superfund (cleanup of toxic waste)

50.secretary of health joseph califano(fight tobacco health threat)

51.votings rights act extension

52.highway and mass transit funding bill

53.civil rights restoration act

54.head start expansion

55.Americans with disabilities act

56. small tax increase on the wealthy to fight
deficits created by Reagan-- 250B on top 1.2%

57.family medical leave act

58.attempted to extend/or improve health insurance coverage for millions of AmericansTruman--NixonClinton--Obama

59.restoration of democracy to Haiti

60.restoration of peace to Bosnia

61.promotion of peace in South Africa

62.promotion of peace in Northern Ireland

63.promotion of peace in Israel and Palestine

64.increases in minimum wage

65.promotion of spending on inner-city schools

66.opposition to abolition of safety net for the poor

67.protection of social security and medicare from Newt raids.

68.promotion of justice for victims of racism

69.protection of children from cancer inducing tobacco industry

70.Gop constantly frustrated efforts to enact thorough campaign finance

71.appointment of many minorities and women to cabinet positions

72.resolution of long-standing black farmers discrimination issues

73.leadership role in Natos campaign to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

74.major efforts to challenge the dangerous proliferation of assault weapons in America. Bush cancelled Clinton exec. order banning import of killer machines. How many slaughtered in schools since then? Police killed?

75.ameri-corps

76. Pay Their Way Party all American party=Democrats

1960 to 1980National Income grew 418%--Debt grew 210%

1980 to 1992 National Income grew 102%--Debt grew 300%.

Democrats= Income increased twice as fast as debt
Republicans= Debt increased three times as fast as Income

Democrats Pay Their Way-Republicans party of Spend And Borrow-our kids pay Tomorrow

77. party for strong defensecarter increased defense spending by 50%--

Democrat presidents in charge in WWIWWII--KoreanKosovo
Bush I was great in Gulf War
Son was disaster in two illegal wars

Nixon-Ford cut Army troops by 41% and Reagan-Bush cut by 11%

Clinton cut due to death of Cold War mentality by Military-Industrial Cadre
Clinton targeted Pentagon Spending to Hi Tech weapons which gave us in 2003, per GW Bush, The Greatest Military in History
Bush Sec. Of Defense, Rumsfeld, planned to follow Clinton with small, fast reaction units with air power not massive ground troops.

78. Party of Integrity---Reagan had more(138) charged with crimes than cumulative total for all presidents of 20th century. (One) person convicted of a felony committed while working for Clinton.
Even though Newt Congress spend $110 million on Hearings and Investigations in an effort to destroy the Clinton administration. $110 Million number from GAO. Thirteen hearings on a simple innocent land deal Whitewater which they used as Platform to launch attacks. Evil people.

79. vacation with pay

80.trade union schoolsforerunner to community colleges

81.worker retirement pensions

82.veterans administration

83.earned income tax creditsenator russell long bill

84. Fair Pay Bill passed 1-09

85. Cobra-2008health care for laid off workers

Great Gop achievements
Eisenhower initiated Interstate Highway
Reagan signed Martin Luther King holiday
Nixon signed affirmative action law
Nixon initiated EPA
Nixon initiated OSHA
Bush created two wars, moral and economic collapse

Ike was good--Ford was good--Bush I was good

Reagan + Bush II were bad for America And the world--Unrestricted Gambling=Disaster

Redistribution of Wealth & Income Upwards via 2500 Billion in Tax Cuts mostly for rich and increase by Spending and Borrowing.

2500B Tax Cuts and borrowed 5700 Billion to pay for them and major increases in spending(80% Reagan + 65% Bush II). Clinton + 24%.

Which party won every 20th Century War but one??

Which President created most jobs per month?
Which President increased Total Stock Market Value by more than thrice all predecessors combined
Which President never told the people a single lie on policy.
Which President got more of his Legislation passed in first two years under a Democratic Congress than all but one President (LBJ).
Which President released more secured documents than total of all preceding presidents?
Which president implemented more anti-terrorism programs than any in history?

answer below

LORD WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON

In smears please use numbers not guesses.

OK Amigo! Si Senor!

cswinney2@triad.rr.com
political research historian
lifeaholics of america
author-Lifeaholic--success by working for a Life not just a Living

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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:07 PM
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122. ALL KKKONSERVATIVES SUCK SHIT
There are no exceptions whatsoever.

Fact. Not opinion.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:37 PM
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124. Don't visit another country
You'll need to get a passport from the State Department, a government agency.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:52 PM
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131. May I alter this great OP: "Just say NEVER to socialism"
So, you say you don't like socialism? Then just say, NEVER;



NEVER accept Medicare after you retire and no longer have any type of private health insurance.



NEVER accept any Social Security payment after you no longer work or a spouse has died. Live off of your private investments or the charity of friends and family.

NEVER say you honor and support our military. The military (even including private, outsourced companies like Blackwater) are all paid and supplied by the Federal government.

NEVER call 911 for a medical, fire or police emergency. Emergency services are largely provided for by public servants using government-provided equipment and training.



NEVER apply for Medicaid if you become disabled or indigent and need assistance such as food stamps, medical care, utility bill assistance or job training. After all, you don't want other Americans who have no insurance to have it paid for via tax dollars, why should you get to take part in that system?



NEVER put your children in public schools (elementary, high school, or college). The elementary and high schools are free via tax dollars. Teachers are paid via tax dollars.

NEVER drive on a federal or state or local highway. You can only drive on roads built and maintained by private companies. You'll really have to do this as you will not have a driver's license which is a product of a government agency.



NEVER apply for Unemployment if you should happen to lose your job.

NEVER buy any food that passed an FDA inspection. You have to grow your own fruits and vegetables and raise your own cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. Same goes for any medications.

NEVER visit a National, State, or Local park and especially don't participate in any activities there (fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, etc. that would require further expenditures for licenses.)

NEVER be in a position you would need a public defender. They are paid for via public dollars.

NEVER expect or ask for the prosecution against someone who did you harm, directly or indirectly. The judicial system, you see, is a government-run agency paid for by our tax dollars and other fees.

NEVER visit a public library and use the resources there as tax dollars bought those books, PCs, etc.

NEVER apply for a small business loan from any government agency. Where do you think that money would come from anyway?

NEVER mail a letter via the USPS and contact every single entity that would otherwise use the USPS for mailing you items to have them sent via UPS, FEDEX, or electronic delivery.

NEVER visit a museum that was built or is maintained or operated by any government agency.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:18 PM
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134. Be my guest!
:)
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:53 PM
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132. I posted a link to this in my Facebook
a link to the DU thread so that way anyone who clicked would see you were the author. I've had a couple of non-DU friends comment that they put a link to it on THEIR page.

Good job!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:54 PM
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133. Great job, Roland, thank
you!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:50 AM
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:41 PM
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139. Wow. An effort from an apparent conservative to rebut the post
What you fail to understand, buckyg, is that you can't pick and choose.

Have you even bothered to read HR 676? I'm willing to bet the shirt off my back that you haven't. Probably haven't even heard of it.

And your point on being able to shop insurance across state lines will fall upon deaf ears if you're addressing private insurers. Same can be said for carrying insurance from one job to the next. And Medicare costs could be lower if the previous Republican Congress and Republican administration hadn't passed Medicare Part D without the ability to negotiate prices. What a GIFT to the pharmaceutical industry.

So, go slink on back to Freeperville and try preaching to your choir first. Get them to understand that 30 years of Trickle-Down Economics has nearly devastated our economy (plus the outsourcing of our skilled labor to other nations).
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:39 PM
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140. yo BUCKY... buddy...
did you even bother to read your own propaganda? Might want to do some homework on those links you posted. Were you able to digest the 3rd paragraph of your link to the article on FDA failures, which says, quote:

Under the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, FDA has undermined enforcement and betrayed its consumer-first legacy. FDA must start enforcing the law and return to a culture that places public health concerns ahead of industry profits


It's clear to me that by quoting this article, you agree that the way to turn the FDA's failures around is to place public health concerns ahead of industry profits. So you DO like the public option, after all?

By the way, if "conservatives" are so dissatisfied with the "raging success" of the FDA, as you say, you can thank eight years of a miserably failed presidency.

I could sit here and squash every last one of your wannabe elitist arguments, but you still won't understand or acknowledge that your words are a rhetorical tool for big pharma and big insurance to continue to rape and pillage the current health care system.

Why not just put a ring in your nose? Makes it alot easier for them to pull you around.



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:44 PM
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141. Live in the Arizona desert off of the Central Arizona Project, whose canals
were first carved by those Commie Pima nad Hopi Indians thousands of years ago.
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