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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:34 PM
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Double Standard?
It's hard to miss the wave of anger at the release of Abdel Basset Mohamed al-Megrahi from a Scottish prison. But why is it that I've noticed many of those appalled by this man's release seem to have little concern that George W. Bush and Dick B. Cheney are allowed to remain free and at large enjoying their plush retirement years (and tentative book deals) after they've orchestrated such an unnecessary and self-serving campaign of slaughter in Iraq?

The loss of 259 poor souls in a sadistic airliner bombing is indeed tragic and detestable. But under the Bush regime in Iraq (and elsewhere in the Bush "war on terror") far more innocent people were needlessly slaughtered, far more families were devastated, and perhaps even far more detainees and rendered folks were tortured for purely political reasons. Yet George and Dick seem to have been granted exemption by many of the right-wing folks now railing against the release of a man who has mere weeks to live.

It certainly seems double standard-ish to me.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:37 PM
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1. Loyalties to people, organizations, and/countries can spawn double standards. nt
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:38 PM
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2. Do the evils of one terrorist (Bush) diminish the evils of another?
Just because Bush did worse doesn't mean we should free people who are only slightly less evil.
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:51 PM
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5. Well, that wasn't really my point...
In fact I tend to agree with you on the two wrongs thing. What bothers me is when individuals blame and rail against one perpetrator, while ignoring a worse perpetrator and his actions but are still able to sleep at night. What's even worse is when such people defend the actions of the worse perpetrator simply because he's a high official and a countryman.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:58 PM
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7. except this argument has already been used a number of times when addressing those of us opposed
to this mans release to celebration.

why

tell me

does everyone chose to use this exact argument, word for word

more like repug talking point than anything that happens with dems
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:13 PM
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9. It bothers me at least as much that Bush and Cheney and their cohorts...
get to roam free and reap the benefits of a high-class lifestyle (and are embraced by a significant segment of Americans) as it does that this Libyan bomber person was set free -- his welcoming ceremony is analogous to some of the festive getures Bush receives when popping up here and there. You don't seem to share that view. I'd say it's your position that's closer to that of the repugs.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:15 PM
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10. again, i will repeat. point out ONE person that is not disgusted by bushco. step further.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:17 PM by seabeyond
i am MORE bothered with bushco action of the last 8 yrs. does that make me a better person? does that make any difference what so ever about this release of this man to a hero welcome.

nope, as disgusted as i was before i proclaimed i am more pissed about bushco.

again, call you on your bullshit argument. NO ONE on du condones bushco, dontcha know. and if you dont know, .... why dont you know


and you didnt respond about the accusation of the same fuckin argument on a number of threads from people defending this release. it is a crap argument
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:21 PM
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11. You didn't read my post very carefully, did you?
My observation was referring to the right-wingers. You should re-read the last sentence in my second to the last paragraph.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:27 PM
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13. and where is your conclusion through my posts where i am ambivalent about the bullshit
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:37 PM by seabeyond
bushco committed in their time.

this is exactly the argument the others used, once again. accusing me, regardless of what said, that i dont care what bushco did. what part of any one of my posts confusing to you

this isn't a tough one for me. think bushco are shit that did horrible long term damage to we the people, our nation and the world

the release of prisoner to hero welcome is bullshit

are you STILL confused.
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:39 PM
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14. I didn't say that YOU don't care about what the Bush criminals did...
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:41 PM by flakban
I said that right-wingers don't care about it. And I further said that it's they who are demonstrating the double standard.

You, for whatever reason, didn't grasp this from my OP, though. My basis for saying that are some of your statements, such as:

"NO ONE on du condones bushco, dontcha know" and "you mustnt be on du much or for very long. du is OPPOSED to bushco"
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:43 PM
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15. clue in dude, .... if there are a number of people on du opposed to the release
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:44 PM by seabeyond
and a number of people on the right opposed to the release, what does it really matter about the hypocrisy of support to bushco.

who cares. two seperate events. two seperate wrongs.

again

it is an argument for the release, though stupid it is, that has been used too many times on du as it is
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:52 PM
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16. it matters because that hypocrisy is the motivation that's resulted in...
no Justice Department investigations and ensuing prosecutions of the Bush players.

And the reason you've seen the "argument" so many times is because it's an extremely valid one, which, unfortunately, few apparently wish to answer.

Perhaps it's YOU who should "clue in."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:01 PM
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18. it is so NOT valid. that hypocrisy has NOTHING to do with bushco being prosecuted or NOT
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 07:01 PM by seabeyond
being prosecuted. they werent being prosecuted well before this release.

wft

again

one has NOTHING to do with the other
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:15 PM
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19. whoa! you really need to get a clue there, mack
I said the motivation for the hypocrisy, not the hypocrisy itself. That same motivation is the driving force behind the Republican opposition toward imposing accountability upon Bush regime members. If you'll check, I bet you'll discover that many of the Republican legislators who were opposed to impeaching Bush and Cheney and are now opposed to prosecuting Bush and Cheney are the same Republican legislators who assert that the Iraq invasion and occupation were warranted, and who are expressing their outrage concerning the release of that Libyan bomber.

I think you need to work on your skills of observation and association.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:17 PM
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20. LOTS of people expressing their outrage. many not in this country expressing their outrage
one has nothing to do with the other
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:40 PM
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21. how did we get on people in other countries?
Again, I'm talking about Republican hypocrites whose motivation (demonstrated through said hypocrisy) has damaged America beyond belief.

Back to the previous: The motivation behind that hypocrisy is a motivation that compels these right-wingers to look the other way in the face of atrocity for personal gains. And that motivation is simply a desire to serve one's own interests regardless of how unconscionable the outcome. People of this mindset are also called sociopaths by mental health professionals. I realize you didn't catch it but my OP was intended to highlight that reality.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:48 PM
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22. or it can just be the anger of celebration of release. just makes no sense
the people outraged with bush can also be outraged with this. people thru out other countries that have nothing to do with bush, can be outraged by this. yet....

the rw that are outraged by this is tied to bushco

anyway

done
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:13 PM
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23. Correct. And it's the double standards maintained by those tied to Bushco that disturb me....
I have a big problem with people who pick and choose which atrocities they want to be appalled by and which they don't. Especially when the ones they don't want to be appalled by are worse than the ones they do.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:54 PM
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24. ok. gotcha. nt
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 09:54 PM by seabeyond
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:38 PM
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3. My biggest concern is that the "terrorists" in Gitmo are SO bad that they don't
even deserve a trial. But this guy - convicted with full due process - is let out without a peep from President Obama (until, of course, he got a hero's welcome).
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:41 PM
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4. Not really
Neither Bush nor Cheney have been indicted or convicted for any crime, so there is a difference.

If you want to talk about a real double standard just look for information about Luis Posada Carriles.
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:01 PM
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8. But legal experts agree there's a mountain of evidence
The reason Bush and Cheney haven't been properly investigated and charged is the same collective look-the-other-way double standard mentality to which I'm referring. Many Americans don't want to hold their own leaders accountable for perpetrating some of the worst crimes imaginable, despite copious evidence indicating they're guilty.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:56 PM
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6. wtf are you talking about? you mustnt be on du much or for very long. du is OPPOSED to bushco
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 05:58 PM by seabeyond
their dishonesties, their lies, their breaking law, and their murder

just who the hell are you talking about when you say people dont care about bushco crime. cause it is certainly not a SINGLE poster i have listened to here on du

and YES i have a problem with the man released to a hero welcome. i would have sat back quietly if he had been released, without the celebration at his return
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flakban Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:26 PM
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12. read my above reply to your other message (nt)
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Interloper Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:59 PM
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17. Justice in Release
Justice will be in releasing people
Releasing us from this system,
releasing us from the war on drugs,
releasing people from private prisons,
releasing us from laws that feed the private prison system,
releasing us from an illegal judicial system...
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