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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:38 PM
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I have a new one. Someone told me today that Obama
said, something to the effect, about giving an elderly sick person a pill to hasten their death. They proceeded to tell me they saw it on a TV clip. I was wondering what clip from what and what was it taken out of context from so I can show them they are being had. I presume this was on Fox. I don't monitor Fox and no one in my immediate family will watch it, so I don't know the source. Any help will be appreciated.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:39 PM
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1. Its true just take your damn pill
Or we'll come to your house and make you take it!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:55 PM
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16. LOL. I should have said something like that.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:40 PM
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2. It doesn't matter where they saw it.
It's still a fucking lie!

:mad:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:43 PM
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3. I know. I sometimes think if I show them, they might catch a clue.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:45 PM
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5. Oh, of course!
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 04:45 PM by CaliforniaPeggy
And BTW, I'm not mad at you!

I'm mad at people who spread lies like that one...

:hi:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:49 PM
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8. I just love it when you swear like a drunken sailor!
What a fucken hoot!

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SB37 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:44 PM
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4. I wonder if it's a twisted up version of this...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:52 PM
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11. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

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SB37 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:53 PM
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12. Thanks!
great to be here!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:57 PM
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18. So great to see you back, Swampy!
:hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:08 PM
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24. hey mnhtnbb!
:hi: :hug:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:58 PM
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19. Could be.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:46 PM
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6. There was a thread a few days ago with pics of an anti-healthcare
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 04:51 PM by alsame
protester holding a sign about Ted Kennedy and it said something about him taking a pill. I assumed when I saw it that it was a reference to euthanasia. My guess is either Fox or FR as a aource.

ETA: here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:48 PM
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7. If I'm ever dying and in agony, I'd like for there to be such a pill. eom
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:49 PM
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9. Jeez! They are making stuff up out of whole cloth now. n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:50 PM
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10. found this
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 04:51 PM by Emit
(not sure what this guy's blog is really about, but it refers to a comment Obama made on ABC about pain killers for an elderly woman...maybe that's where this person you were talking about got their misinformation)

http://covertrationingblog.com /

~snip~
He described their function, how they would operate, and who they would target. During the past 6 months President Obama has actually offered several short discussions on what a death panel might be expected to accomplish. But perhaps the most instructive example is the one he gave on ABC television during his June 24 National Town Hall meeting.

DrRich refers, of course, to the famous question about the 100-year-old woman who received a pacemaker. The questioner pointed out that her grandmother had badly needed a pacemaker, but had been turned down by a doctor because of her age. A second doctor, noting the patients alertness, zest for life, and generally youthful spirit, inserted the pacemaker despite her advanced age. Her symptoms resolved, and Grandma continues to do well 5 years later. The question for the President was: Under an Obama healthcare system, will an elderly persons general state of health, and her spirit, be taken into account when making medical decisions - or will these decisions be made according to age only?

President Obamas answer was clear. It is really not feasible, he indicated, to take spirit into account. We are going to make medical decisions based on objective evidence, and not subjective impressions. If the evidence shows that some form of treatment is not necessarily going to improve care, then at least we can let the doctors know that - you know what? - maybe this isnt going to help; maybe youre better off not having the surgery, but taking the pain pill.

(DrRich will give President Obama the benefit of the doubt regarding his suggestion that a 100-year-old women who needs a pacemaker might be better off with a pain pill. Despite the way he is portrayed on the cover of Time Magazine, Mr. Obama is not actually a doctor, and cannot be expected to understand that using a pain pill to treat an elderly woman who is lightheaded, dizzy, weak and possibly syncopal because of a slow heart rate might justifiably be considered a form of euthanasia rather than comfort care. DrRich does not believe the President was intentionally suggesting the old womans death should be actively hastened by means of a pain pill. At the same time, DrRichs advice to this still-spry 105-year-old Grandma is: since pacemakers usually need to be replaced every 6 - 7 years, youd better think about having your 5-year-old pacemaker replaced right now, before the Obama plan has a chance to become law.)

~snip~

So, according to the President, we will have an omnipotent panel, acting at a distance and without any specific knowledge of particular cases, that will tell a doctor whether he/she can offer a particular therapy to a particular patient - or whether, instead, to offer a pain pill. His description of this process, offered with variations over the past several months in several venues, has obviously made quite an impression among the people. Of course, Mr. Obama is widely known to be a gifted communicator.

~snip~
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:54 PM
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13. They said they saw it and they don't have a computer.
This person is elderly. So I was figuring Fox or something.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:55 PM
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17. This piece refers to a Town Hall with Obama that aired on ABC on June 24th
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 04:57 PM by Emit
On edit, it is likely sources such as Fox and right wing hate talk radio that have re-interpreted Obama's remarks from his comments on ABC, as they are so prone to do
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:06 PM
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21. Very well could be.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:26 PM
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25. Fox Nation covered it, so it wouldn't surprise me if it aired on Fox News in some form or another
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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:55 PM
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14. Correction: No pill. It's vodka.
Free and unlimited vodka. It's cheaper than any doctor. Obama is a cheapskate.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:07 PM
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23. Cheaper and better.
:-)
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:55 PM
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15. Correct the person. Tell them it was "stupid" person, not "sick" person.
If they're going to be that dumb we might as well have some fun with it.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:07 PM
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22. We are Nazis, remember. So stupid, handicapped, Jewish, gay... you name it.
Gee. You'd think we all re-registered Republican. :crazy:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:05 PM
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20. Elderly sick people are given pills to hasten their death all the time
....by the pharmaceutical companies. Like medication that "helps" your heart, but kills your kidneys, for example.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:29 PM
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26. Just say yes, you heard that too. Look, you can't fix cretins. Don't even try.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:11 PM
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27. Why do so many people just assume that government health care will
be just like the current private for profit health insurance is now? Cost and all.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:30 PM
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28. Ask them to prove it. Say it loud, and laugh while you say it.
Say "show me, don't just repeat something you heard." My new favorite is "How long have you been working for the healthcare industry? That's who's bidding you are doing."
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