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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:48 PM
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Evangelical Lutherans vote to allow gay pastors (There are Evangelical Lutherans???)
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 04:17 PM by slampoet
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/faith/53859967.htm...


This story Surprised me.

Not because the church voted to accept gay pastors. I'm just surprised there are Evagelical Lutherans. i guess you learn something every day. Color me educated.



"In a historic change, noncelibate gays and lesbians can now lead parishes of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).

On a 559-451 vote taken Friday in Minneapolis at their biennial conference, delegates repealed the ELCA ban on gay clergy unless they agree to remain celibate. It makes ELCA, with 4.8 million members nationwide and 830,000 in Minnesota, the largest denomination in the country to welcome gays into the pulpits without restriction."
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:23 PM
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1. That's just the term they use to distinguish their branch of Lutheranism from other branches.
They have no connection to what you are thinking of as the Evangelical movement. They don't act like fruitcakes either. ;-)
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:26 PM
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2. The Missouri Synod is the rigid "fundamentalist" branch. n/t
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:33 PM
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3. Not fruitcakes??
I came from a long line of Evangelical Lutherans and I can assure you they are "fruitcakes". I left that church in the 60's because they refused to get involved in civil rights. Not our problem, I was told by the church council......let it go. So, I went.

:thumbsdown:
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Ocracoker16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:44 PM
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5. Wrong, ELCA was formed in 1988 and wasn't around in the sixties
You have the wrong church. I am going to guess that you are thinking of another Lutheran denomination that was more conservative. The ELCA is liberal.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:56 PM
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7. Here it is
Missouri Synod and name of church was St Pauls Evangelical Lutheran Church.
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Ocracoker16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:15 PM
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10. The Missouri Synod is not part of the ELCA
The fact that the word Evangelical is used in the church name does not make it part of the ELCA. The Missouri Synod is very conservative. It is much smaller than the ELCA which is the largest Lutheran denomination.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:02 PM
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8. The ELCA is the liberal wing of the Lutheran church.
The other two Synods (Wisconsin and Missouri) will not allow female Pastors, whereas the ELCA has female Pastors and now allows openly gay Pastors who are in committed relationships. Prior to this decision, the ELCA allowed openly gay Pastors, but they needed to be committed to celibacy. This is a wonderful decision. :bounce:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:39 PM
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4. "Evangelical" from the Greek "euangelion" meaning "good news".
It technically means "having to do with the New Testament". The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is a mainline Protestant Church, formed by merging 3 mostly ethnic Lutheran churches--the American Lutheran Church (Swedish American), The Lutheran Church in America (Norwegian American), and the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches, a group of congregations who left the Missouri Synod after rejecting the LCMS' literal reading of scripture.

So, the ELCA, for the most part, isn't "Evangelical" in the way that term is usually used.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:46 PM
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6. another Positive step forward-
I'm glad to read this.

:hi:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:04 PM
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9. Here is another discussion on this topic...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Some very thoughtful posters provide some insightful information about the ELCA church. :hi:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:14 PM
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11. Evangelical is another word stolen by the Religious Right Fundies
and corrupted to their own meaning. All it means, in reality, is that a church is actively seeking to spread the word and attract new members. It has nothing to do with politics.

The Fundies have corrupted it to mean something ugly and foetid, much as are their beliefs.
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