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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:03 AM
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Expanding Medicare to all could create more jobs, not lose jobs as the
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 11:09 AM by Cleita
insurance industry would like you to believe.

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2009/01/expandi...

On a day in which Congress prepared to vote on the Obama administration's proposed $800 billion economic stimulus package, the nation's largest organization of registered nurses said expanding Medicare to cover all Americans would be one of the most effective economic recovery programs -- and could virtually end the nation's healthcare crisis overnight.

In a briefing for some 50 key Congressional staffers, the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee today presented the findings of a dramatic new study that documents that extending Medicare to everyone would create 2.6 million new jobs, and infuse $317 billion in new business and public revenues, and another $100 billion in wages into the U.S. economy.

Adding all Americans to an expanded Medicare system could be achieved for $63 billion beyond the current $2.1 trillion in direct healthcare spending. The $63 billion is far less than the federal bailout for CitiGroup, and less than half the federal bailout for AIG. Solely expanding Medicare to cover all uninsured Americans could be accomplished for $44 billion, the study shows.

The study, which may be viewed at www.CalNurses.org, was presented as part of a briefing in the Rayburn House Office Building hosted by the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Healthcare, a coalition of nurses, doctors, students, large community-based membership groups, labor unions, religious organizations, and activists who support HR 676, a single-payer, Medicare-for-all bill, soon to be reintroduced.
more at link

The study can be viewed at http://www.calnurses.org/research/
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:05 AM
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1. K&R
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:25 AM
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2. Kick!
People need to know this and not accept the insurance company based talking points about job losses.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:30 AM
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3. If people would just check out the so-called facts for themselves.....
it would make a big difference. The truth is out there and worth the search.

I am so sick of getting the same old tired emails filled with lies. They are basically just fear porn...misleading partial truths skewed to have people react in fear or anger.


I am glad HR 676 is still being mentioned.

Good post Cleita! :hi: :hug:
DR
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:32 AM
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4. Absolutely! Healthcare costs are what is driving the entire American economy into a downward spiral.
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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:43 AM
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5. Private Insurers Are the Problem, Medicare for All is the Solution. t
Private insurers are constantly working to increase their profits by refusing those with "pre-existing conditions" to exclude potential claims, by refusing to cover claims by their existing insureds and by canceling those insured who make expensive claims.

We need health care, not health insurance from companies who motive is profit. Medicare for All is the real solution. Obama and the Blue Cross Dems must be threatened with electoral rejection if they don't actively support real reduction in costs and real access to health care for all Americans.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:43 PM
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6. HR 676 Medicare for All and it says:
http://www.johnconyers.com/hr676faq

What is "single-payer"?
The term single-payer describes the kind of financing system that H.R. 676 uses. It means that one entity--in this case, established by the government--handles all billing and payment for health care services. Right now, there are thousands upon thousands of "payers"-- HMOs, PPOs, bill collection agencies, etc. The sheer volume of paperwork required by our current system means that administrative waste accounts for roughly 31% of the money spent on health care. The single-payer system would eliminate the wasteful paperwork and administrative costs, redirecting more of our health care dollars to providing care.

Medicare is perhaps the best known single-payer system. Essentially, H.R. 676 would improve Medicare and expand it, so that it covers all Americans, regardless of their income.


Who will be eligible for health care coverage under H.R. 676?

All Americans will be eligible for health care coverage. Every person who enrolls in the program and receive a United States National Health Insurance Card and individual ID number, and that is all anyone will need to receive care.

What health care services are covered?

The program established by H.R. 676 will cover all medically-necessary services without charging co-pays or deductibles. The services covered will include: primary care; inpatient, outpatient and emergency hospital care; prescription drugs; durable medical equipment; hearing, dental and vision care; chiropratic treatment; mental health services; and long-term care.

What about "catastrophic" care? Will I ever reach a limit for coverage?
No. There are no limits on coverage. Just as you will never pay a co-pay or a deductible under the universal national health care program, you will never reach a ceiling on your coverage.

Will I be able to choose my doctor?

Yes. Patients will have their choice of physicians, providers, hospitals and clinics. The financing will be public, but the providers will all remain private.


No co-pays or deductibles-- what's the catch? Will I actually pay less for health care?

There is no catch. Both families and employers will pay significantly less for health care.

Currently, the average family of four covered by an employer-provided health care plan spends roughly $4,225 on health care each year, including premiums, services, prescription drugs and supplies. This figure does not include the annual Medicare payroll tax, currently at 1.45%. Under the plan created by H.R. 676, a family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. No deductibles, no co-pays, no worrying about catastrophic coverage.

Employers who provide health insurance currently pay, on average, 74% of employee health premiums. For a family of four, the average employer share is $8,510 per year. Under H.R. 676, the employer pays a 4.75% payroll tax, not a premium to health insurance companies. For an employee making the median family income of $56,200 annually, the employer would pay roughly $2,700.

Estimates taken from: Employer Health Benefits 2006 Annual Survey, Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust; Consumer Expenditure Survey, U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics; and Study by the Center for Economic Research and Policy.

How will the transition to the new system work?

The full conversion to a non-profit, single-payer universal health care program will not take place overnight once the bill is passed. The total transition time will be roughly a 15-year period. Important elements of the transition will include:

Private health insurance companies will be prohibited from selling coverage that duplicates any benefits included in the universal national health care program. The private companies will, however, still be able to sell coverage for services that are not deemed medically necessary, such as many cosmetic surgery procedures.
Private insurance company workers who are displaced as a result of the transition will be the first to be hired and retained by the new single-payer entity. Any of the displaced workers who are not rehired will receive two years of unemployment benefits.

How will the universal program be paid for?


First, switching to a single-payer system will lead to billions of dollars saved in reduced administrative costs. Those savings will be passed on through the system and allow coverage for all Americans. Additional savings in the overall cost of health care will come from annual reimbursement rate negotiations with physicians and negotiated prices for prescription drugs, medical supplies and equipment.

Second, a "Medicare For All Trust Fund" will be created to ensure a dedicated source of funding in addition to annual appropriations. Sources of funding will include:

Maintain current federal and state funding for existing health care programs
Closing corporate tax loopholes
Repealing the Bush tax cuts for the highest income earners
Establish employer/employee payroll tax of 4.75% (includes present 1.45% Medicare tax)
Establish a 5% health tax on the top 5% of income earners; a 10% tax on top 1% of wage earners
One quarter of one percent stock transaction tax




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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:49 PM
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7. Thanks. The evidence all around is overwhelming that national health care,
or extending Medicare to all would be a boon to the economy.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:55 PM
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8. we could take medicaid enrolees and put them in there too... and the expansion
of this plan would help to fix the medicare program and make it sustainable long term. It just makes sense!! and the cost saving would be enormous!! I just don't understand why this isn't being even discussed!!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:59 PM
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9. yep. single payer would be an enormous boost to the nation's economy,
but Obama just can't quite get there.... Just when we need real boldness.... for the sake of the 48 million without any coverage at all!!!!

Hope folks caught Bill Moyers on Friday... 3 families without coverage, 2 died. This is the 'greatest country" in the world's way of caring for people....

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:02 PM
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10. I will catch a rerun in less than an hour. I had to stay late at work on Friday
and missed it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:54 PM
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11. I just finished watching this. It was heartbreaking.
The doctor said it all that we do ration healthcare depending on ability to pay.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:21 PM
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12. absolutely heartbreaking, and this is happening ALL OVER this richest country in the world!
Glad you got to see it.

Third world health care has come to the US.

Anyone who has lived or spent any time on a US Indian Reservation knows third world health care.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:31 PM
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13. Single Payer has worked well to contain costs and cover everyone everywhere it's been tried
Why d o we keep messing around with the latest fads when we have a time tested way to go?
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