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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:50 AM
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isn't it child abuse to feed mercury tainted fish to children?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-mercury-fi...


Mercury found in every U.S. fish tested


A federal study of mercury contamination released Wednesday found the toxic substance in every fish tested at nearly 300 streams across the country, a finding that underscores how widespread mercury pollution has become.

-snip-

Mercury can damage the nervous system and cause learning disabilities in developing fetuses and young children. The main source of the mercury, according to the researchers, is emissions from coal-fired power plants. The mercury rains down into waterways where natural processes convert it into methylmercury -- a form that allows the toxin to wind its way up the food chain into fish.

Some of the highest levels in fish were detected in the remote blackwater streams along the coasts of the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida and Louisiana where surrounding forests and wetlands help in the conversion.

Mercury was also detected in high concentrations in Western streams that drain areas mined for mercury and gold.
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isn't it?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:52 AM
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1. No.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:05 AM
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4. why not?
nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:07 AM
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6. Is this really about fish?
Or is it about your loony anti-vaccine bullshit?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:19 AM
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9. you must be loony to connect mercury tainted fish to vaccines


?????
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:28 PM
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39. Says the person asking if serving fish constitutes child abuse.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:57 AM
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2. Is it child abuse to have children around air polution, such as most motor vehicles?
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:04 AM
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3. It's being said that seafood will be off the menu by 2020 due to overfishing.
By that time we'll have killed our oceans. If our oceans die, our planet will die.

It's as simple as that.

And yes, Ive stopped eating ALL fish and seafood due to mercury poisoning.

recd
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:06 AM
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5. I've been hearing that "10 years left" stuff since 1980.
I live on the coast, around a lot of independent fishermen. They love to talk about the end of seafood. It goes along with their "buy local shrimp!" bumper-stickers.
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:23 AM
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12. Well, thank goodness!
I'm very relieved to hear that there is no problem!
Thanks for setting the record straight.
Silly fishermen! Silly- willy scientists, too!

What a bunch of joy kills.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:32 AM
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36. How does a planet die?
The planet is fine, relax.

WE will die. Big deal.
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:17 AM
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7. It's fish abuse
Why consider the question of abuse only when human children are involved?

It's world abuse.

This alarm, that only goes off when children are being injured, is part of the problem. It should go off for little fish, too. Children are in the same situation as little fish. They suffer together. They will thrive or perish together.

If we keep drawing the line at child abuse, and acting like it's OK to hurt the world only up to the point where it hurts our kids, there will be no more fish or children. It is not possible to separate them. Empathy for both is necessary to protect either.

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:21 AM
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10. true
nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:18 AM
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8. Not anymore than any of the other forms of poor nutritional habits that our kids acquire:
too much sugar
too much meat
unbalanced diets leading to obesity and diabetis,

...

Where do you stop?

I am all for regulating emissions, but it is not child abuse more than many other things we see everyday.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:22 AM
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11. mercury poisoning isn't a poor nutritional habit


nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:37 AM
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14. how about nitrates in deli meat, hormones in chicken and milk, pesticide on fruit and veggie
and people wont own the danger of mercury in fish cause then it challenges mercury in vaccine and flu shots
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:43 AM
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20. this thread is about fresh water fish, you are free to start a thread on


the other things you mentioned.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:48 AM
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21. or
i can also mention other contaminents in our foods.

lol
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:20 AM
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31. sorry, didn't mean to jump on you - heat of the moment lol
nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:34 AM
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37. .
no problem
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:33 AM
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13. No, you left out a critical paragraph that says only a quarter exceeded EPA limits.
"While all fish had traces of mercury contamination, only about a quarter had levels exceeding what the Environmental Protection Agency says is safe for people eating average amounts of fish."

Plus, most people don't regularly eat freshwater fish caught from US lakes and rivers. Most would be caught and eaten by recreational anglers.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM
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15. bushco raised the limit of mercury in food. safe level today is not the same as yesterday
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:18 PM
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28. There is no "safe" level - there is an accepted poison dose
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:52 PM
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30. you are right. thanks for correction. safe-R. but none is good. nt
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM
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17. and we are to just forget the heavy mercury found in those numerous


areas mentioned in the article?

you would be surprised how many people eat fresh water fish.

and reports have been out for some time about mercury in salt water fish - salmon and tuna to name two.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:41 AM
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18. btw, they recommend no preg women eat tuna or little kids. not that there is an issue. nt
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM
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16. At what levels?
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 11:39 AM by Igel
More than 1 part per thousand? part per million? per billion? per trillion? Dose matters.

From what kinds of sources. Hg occurs naturally in some areas. Natural occurrence isn't always safe, but certainly isn't pollution requiring remediation under current law. "Let's clean up after Mother Nature!"

In what form? Elemental? Inorganic? Methy? Ethyl? Methyl mercury hangs around and is nasty. Ethyl mercury sluices out much, much faster than methyl mercury does.

Of course, I'm just a linguist, not a Columbia-educated biology major with a grad degree in Environmental Science like the reporter. Her secondary school science teacher certification must have interfered with what she decides is important to relate.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:42 AM
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19. if you are just a linguist how can you judge her education?
nt
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:16 PM
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25. What a relief! I was getting all wee-weed up...over nothing
My, there are a lot of words all about mercury here. Thanks for the clarifying vocabulary lesson.

I guess there's nothing to worry about, after all. Never has been, really.

Man, what a relief. You really brightened my day. These wacky pollution conspiracy nuts were bringing me down.

Obviously, there is no cause for alarm or action here. What we need is a more accurate definition of the word mercury.

I refuse to become alarmed until someone produces one, and the situation has been thoroughly linguistically defined. Or

perhaps another scientific study will give me what I need to sleep soundly through the whole thing. Action in the face

of such vague language would be at best futile, or at worst downright dangerous. What if things got too clean in our

environment? Talk about unfair to the health insurance industry! Thanks for sticking up for them.



Do you have more magic words to ease my mind on climate change and nuclear waste now? I would like to see those issues

vanquished as well.





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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:50 AM
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22. It's child abuse to serve the blue plate special, North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State, too
But fish sticks are good to go if you heat them real hot in the over to drive the mercury off. Mercury boils at 676 degrees Fahrenheit, so I mean real HOT!

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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:30 PM
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26. Metallic mercury is not the problem; methyl mercury boils at 94 degrees Centigrade
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 12:33 PM by FarCenter
See Material Safety Data Sheet for methyl mercury http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/DI/dimethylmercury.html

The EPA limit for daily consumption of methyl mercury is 0.1 microgram / kilogram body weight.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:03 PM
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27. I was attempting to be facetious. Organo-mercury compounds are extremely toxic and our local legacy
I live near many abandoned mercury mines and we live with the damage done many decades ago. The area had a long history on mining, starting with actually panning mercury (the pure metal)in the creeks, it was that prevalent. We have built retaining/settling damns to contain the Organo-mercury compounds but it's like closing the barn door after the livestock has scattered. I do not eat fresh water fish from inland California waters.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:54 AM
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23. What kids eat fish? Both my 4 and 5 year olds think its gross and stinky.
LOL. Maybe other adults can get their kids to eat fish but not mine.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:25 AM
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33. Could you understand that for many poor kids, that is their only source of protein?
Could you grasp that not all families are like yours?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:07 PM
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24. I think children should be starved and left without water
too many toxins in food and water otherwise. We should avoid giving children either food or water to avoid harm. :sarcasm:
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:45 PM
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29. Well, maybe teenagers....
;-)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:26 AM
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34. Exactly. Especially poor kids. If they can't be like the vaunted muddle-class, then to hell with
'em all!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:23 AM
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32. GREAT! One more way to punish poor folk!
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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:28 AM
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35. It takes a lot of fish to poison someone
If a person feeds unbelievable amounts of fish to a child knowing that these amounts contain harmful levels of mercury, then it's child abuse in my opinion. The scenario is unlikely, though.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:36 AM
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38. Here in California, eating more than twice a month from our local waterways is stupid.
It's been estimated that every single tributary of every single river in Northern California has at least a ton of mercury in it on average, and some individual streams have hundreds of tons. At current rates of decline, it will take several thousand years for them to flush themselves back out, and there will be detectable mercury levels in some streams for more than a hundred thousand years. It's a legacy of the 1850's gold rush, and there isn't a thing we can do about it.

I fly fish, and enjoy it, but I'm strictly catch and release in California. I only eat my catch if I'm camping, and even then limit fish dinners to one night of the outing. Eating more than that is just stupid.
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revolution breeze Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:54 PM
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40. Another Catch-22 situation
Here is southern Louisiana, seafood is a relatively inexpensive alternative to red meat. However, due to the amount of pollutants in the water, I am afraid to feed alot of it to my children. Farm-raised fish are another option but even there the water quality fluctuates. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:29 PM
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41. Is it child abuse to withhold Omega-3 Fatty Acids from children?
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