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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:38 AM
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My McGovern Democrat mother --
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 02:38 AM by travelingtypist
She's 65, she volunteered for the McGovern campaign in '72. She's been a Democrat her whole life -- she's ready to take down her Obama/Biden sticker from her window, write on it saying "You've lost me," and mail it to the White House.

"The Democrats are such {p-word}s." "I'm so sick of not knowing from what day to the next what Obama is going to say."

She wants Obama to stop trying to "negotiate" and just do something.

FWIW.

PS -- I'm editing out the sexist word because I won't want to get rained on by the PC police here.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:39 AM
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1. enough of those "you've lost me" mailings might actually get their attention...
n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:48 AM
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2. Have you told her the media lies?
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 02:48 AM by sandnsea
And to stop believing what they're telling her he's saying - and go to the horse's mouth. He hasn't changed a word of what he ran on.
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:53 AM
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3. Hogwash.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 02:54 AM by travelingtypist
She's TIRED of hearing that Grassley is supposedly a good faith actor in this healthcare drama, then hearing Grassley say what he's said to the Republican base, and then the Obama people still letting Grassley have a seat at the negotiating table. She's smart enough to listen to the man Obama himself and the people who speak for him. She wants action, not Sebilius saying the public option isn't that important and Conrad saying that the public option is impossible and Obama saying it's a sliver and then everybody reversing themselves the next Monday.

:eyes:

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:07 AM
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8. Exactly, lies
Sebelius didn't say it wasn't important, she said it wasn't the most essential part of reform, same as Obama said. They didn't reverse themselves, they said the media had gotten it wrong.

Senators cannot be kicked out of Senate committees because Democrats don't like what they're saying. Grassley is the ranking member of the Finance Committee. He has to have a seat at the table unless you're proposing a dictatorship.

If your grandma's so smart, if she even exists, she should know all of this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:56 AM
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4. McGovern's strategy was so much more effective
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:01 AM
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6. Nice.
:puke:
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:57 AM
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5. ask her to listen to Pres. Obama
directly without the media filter. We are all frustrated and want what we have waited for- for so long- to happen NOW. I am about her age and I too get impatient and really want to see serious change before I lose my hearing and eyesight (so I can witness it directly) ...ask her what the alternative (realistic) option would be??? Nothing wrong with encouraging her to call and write the Whitehouse and giving them positive feedback on what she DOES want. Always makes me feel better.
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:04 AM
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7. She did listen to him.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 03:06 AM by travelingtypist
He's the one who isn't moving forward with single payer Medicare for all. He's the one who's letting this August recess kill him in the polls. He's the one who's acting like he's still a senator.

He's losing her with his seeming unwillingness to as Maher said "be like Bush" and take his majorities and do what 75% of American want -- really reform healthcare without pandering to the RW-nuts.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:18 AM
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10. It ain't over till it's over.
I haven't been happy the last few weeks either. But the process is still ongoing. And August is always silly season. Let's see what starts to happen when recess is over, everybody's had their time to act out (including the pundits who love to/have to portray themselves as knowing what's going on) & Congress comes back and has to get down to business. I'm poised to be as disgusted as your mom, but I'm reserving judgment until the actual business begins & votes are cast.

LOL! McGovern was my very first vote for president. Been there.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:28 AM
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19. I listened to Obama directly and here are some words right from his mouth
"Beginning on Day One"..."One Brigade a Month"
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:09 AM
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9. Put your mom in a home.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:29 AM
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11. Is civility really so elusive a concept
that you have no grasp of it?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:45 AM
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12. Yes, Heidi.
I lose civility when people start saying they're done with Obama after SEVEN GODDAMN MONTHS.

There is no difference between them and Rush Limbaugh - who gave up on Pres. Obama before he became president. In my book, they're both the same type of people.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:52 AM
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13. Party loyalty can be a good thing, but it's my opinion that suggesting that the OP
put her mother in a home is way over the top.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:56 AM
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14. It was kind of TIC.
And I'm not suggesting party loyalty to a fault.

I'm suggesting we judge Obama by his deeds a couple years from now.

IF he fucks up healthcare, fine, piss on him. But you know what? HE hasn't yet, so people need to stop acting like he has.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 04:10 AM
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15. Your mother and I have a lot in common, traveling typist.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:19 AM
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16. I liked McGovern too, although I was just a few days too young to vote
Living in California at that time, I watched that day as he sunk, then lost the election, all before the polls closed on the west coast. That was what spurred the media to agree not to call a race until after polls had closed everywhere.

Anyway, I remember thinking Bill Clinton was a big mistake during his first year in office, what with the health care catastrophe and the 'don't ask, don't tell'. And he turned out to be about the best president in my lifetime.

So I have hopes that Obama will learn quickly that this negotiation crap is getting him nowhere, along with some other key lessons, and become one of the great ones.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:20 AM
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17. Hear, hear. I am sick of the "Democrats are wimps" meme.
I've been arguing this point since 2006, for example, here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/12

Tom Tomorrow says as much here:



I used to be upset because Democrats seem to lack spine and cave to corporate interests. What's sadly dawning on me is that Democrats don't lack spine. The sad truth is they may have supported corporate interests all along. Perhaps they are just pandering to the left, never having had any intention of enacting liberal legislation.

If that's true, the Democrats deserve to lose a lot of us.

:dem:

-Laelth
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:24 AM
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18. Obama has actually been quite consistent. Your Mother must watch too much tv.
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