I think one of the side effects of smoking weed is that it makes one think that weed is ...

[daedalus_dude]

... a magic plant that will solve all the problems of mankind if it was only legalized.

Back when I used to smoke it I listened to countless discussions of the following type:

"Man, that is some badass weed man."

"Yeah man, if we would sit down and smoke some of this with the Chinese man, we could
totally chill with them, man"

"Yeah man, and did you hear what they say on the Cypress Hill cd? Like, we could
totally make all our clothes out of weed."

"Wow, that would be cool. Like that van Cheech and Chong had."

"Yeah man, and did you know that the government made it illegal because it cures cancer?"

"Yeah like on that Peter Tosh album? It cures asthma and headaches and almost anything."

"Yeah man, and I think it cleans my lungs man. I can cough up all kinds of shit when I smoke
some good skunk from da man."

"And all those new ideas you have. Like yesterday I was thinking of all this wierd shit man.
Maybe one day I will write a book."

"Yeah man, like Shakespeare. How do you think he could come up with all that shit."

"Yeah and I hear all these famous writers were totally stoners man."

"Wow. Wouldn't it be cool to smoke a fatty with Einstein?"

"Yeah man, I wonder why they don't legalize it. Maybe they want it all for themselves man."

"Yeah, fucking bogarts man. Hey dude have you seen my lighter? By the way what time is it man?
I'd totally have me a candy bar now"

"Did you know weed makes chemo patients hungry?"

and on and on and on :rofl:

I am all for legalizing it. Mainly because I believe in privacy and that adults should make their own decisions. And I also think that it probably has some sort of useful medical purpose. But to say that people cannot have negative reactions to it, and that it will make us all healthy, peaceful and prosperous is I think an overstatement.

[greguganus]

1. Man, you gave me a flashback to my pot-smoking days. n/t

[the other one]

2. Twenty years of chronic smoking hasn't changed my mind

It is god's gift to man and it will usher in a new society.

And studies show it very well ccould cure cancer.

UNrec'd

[pipoman]

18. 'chronic smoking' or smoking chronic? ;D

[elocs]

22. Testified like a true toker, but then cannibas is a god here at DU. n/t

[Union Yes]

99. Be happy! At least it's a god that we can prove. =)

:hippie:

[jimcarlton32]

150. Links?

Cause I've never seen anything to say that it is anything but a helper of cancer. Marijuana contains up to 50% more carcinogens then tobacco does. So how does introducing more carcinogens help to cure cancer?

I wouldn't mind being enlightened though if you could show me some references.

[Ghost in the Machine]

154. Here's you a link...

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm#Cancer


Read and learn... and welcome to DU, jimcarlton32


Peace,

Ghost

[Butch350]

161. Check your facts before you post. Please.

[Luminous Animal]

3. No more trite than most of the cell phone conversations

that I suffer through hearing from business men & women on the bus every day.

And yes, weed does make chemo patients hungry... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Oh, heavens! Nothing funnier than an ill chemo patient trying to work up an appetite. I'm dying here!

[Dr Fate]

54. LOL! Yeah that one's a real knee slapper. So are all those billions we spend on prisons, etc. n/t

n/t

[MindPilot]

4. And a couple drunks would've made it about a third of the way into that

when the call was made to 911.

It is a given with anything, drugs, food, hobbies, sex, tv shows, and methods of transportation that some people will have a bad reaction to some things. I mean it takes about four minutes of Glenn Beck to turn me into a frothing raging lunatic.

Pot is one of those things in spades, because it will tend to amplify any negative outside stimulus. I submit it does not for example cause paranoia but it will if you are already apprehensive about something, amplify that apprehension into some serious fear.

On the other hand, if one is feeling pretty much OK, it can make life even better. Who knew a Geico Caveman commercial could be that funny?

[JTFrog]

5. You've been peddling the wrong shit at the wrong place since you got here.

Your Refer Madness agenda is about as stealthy as Rush Limbaugh's trips to the Dominican Republic.

[Dr Fate]

55. +1

n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. Thank You!

:thumbsup:

[1]

6. dude. pot is like... the be all and end all. it is. as it always has been. pot is.

and always will be.

pot is.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Its in the BIBLE...God said its COOL

http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm

[rucky]

8. I agree it's not for everyone, but overall, there's a net benefit for society.

it's pretty hard to argue against that, yet somehow it's still illegal.

[BolivarianHero]

76. Recreational use of cannabis does not inherently offer a net benefit to society...

To the extent that it allows people to chill out without many of the downsides of alcohol, benzos, anti-depressants, and other pharmaceuticals, its recreational use is of benefit. Furthermore, I use it, so I have a personal stake in seeing recreational use legal. :-)

Most of the benefits, however, would stem from the fact that negative effects of cannabis prohibition (which are immeasurably high) greatly outweight the downsides of legalization (which approach 0) and for its potential as a painkiller (which I actually don't put much stock in except for a few specific conditions, such as multiple sclerosis)), as an appetite stimulant and relaxant for chemo patients (which I do put a lot of stock in), as a treatment for glaucoma (most definitely), and as a preventative measure for and growth retardant of the brain plaques implicated in Alzheimer's Disease (which you have to be a bigger fucking moran than Sarah Palin to dispute, as even smalltown newspapers ran with this story).

[harry_pothead]

9. And when's the last time you've heard of someone coming home stoned and beating their family?

[sweetpotato]

36. Or overdosing?

Just sayin.

[hootinholler]

79. Overdosing on pot happens all the time

The only ill effect is sleep.

-Hoot

[shadowknows69]

87. Essentially true, or a good bout of paranoia, but you can't kill yourself with it

Well, except maybe with oxygen depravation. I passed out with a gas mask contraption we made on my face once.

[hootinholler]

97. Like the Sherrif who called 911?

:rofl:

Made brownies out of some confiscated sticky and called 911 for an ambulance.

-Hoot

[shadowknows69]

104. I think I remember reading that. I've never had the pleasure of a good food/weed high

But I do hear it can be particularly intense. Hard to gauge how much to eat I wager.

[EOTE]

119. It's pretty awesome, but you're right about it being more difficult to gauge your dose.

The problem I've always had when making brownies is that the potency varies incredibly from one batch to another even though I try to use the same procedure every time. One time my gf and I were vacationing in Wisconsin over the summer and I made a batch using some crummy schwag (1/4 oz). I made the 1/4 into cannabutter and used that to make the brownies. When I was done, I divided the batch into 16 brownies, so I figured that each brownie would have the equivalent of 7/16ths of a gram, so they shouldn't be too potent. We had our day planned out that we'd do some lasertag first and then head out to Summerfest. I had one brownie on the way to lasertag (my GF didn't have any at the time because she was driving). We played 3 games in total and by the third game, I could barely walk. I just spent the bulk of my time in a corner sniping people. Oddly enough, that was my best game and I won 1st place (I was in my mid 20s at the time going up against mostly teens). By the time we got to Summerfest, it was a chore just to walk. I needed to take breaks every few minutes and just about every open park table I saw I stopped at. My GF and my friend I was with got so frustrated with me because I was such a drag on them. They thought I was faking it or just being a pain in the ass. My GF ate her brownie once we got to Summerfest, so she was still far from peaking, just getting mild effects. After we were there for about an hour and a half, it started to hit her hard too. We both got to the point where we could only walk for a couple minutes at a time. In spite of the lack of mobility, it was really fun. I just wish that I had 1/2 or 2/3 the dose I had. When you get the dose right though, it's really awesome and much more fun experience than smoking. Not only does it last longer, but it's a lot more potent too. I've tried so many times since that Wisconsin trip to recreate those brownies, but it's never quite worked. One thing I have done is used high proof alcohol like Everclear to make a THC tincture and that is pretty awesome as well. It's a lot easier to dose because you feel it a lot quicker. I've actually gotten it to the point where it's so powerful that you only need to ingest a small fraction of an ounce to get a good high.

[shadowknows69]

121. Great story. ROFL. Sounds like you're quite a cook :O)

[backwoodsbob]

146. can you imagine the size of the bowl you would need

(sorry..no paper here)to overdose?..that bowl would be like three feet wide.It would look like something from Alice in Wonderland

[Fading Captain]

10. Hah

Every couple years, the broadcast parts of the hash bash on cable access in Ann Arbor.
It's ridiculous how these guys believe that weed will solve the major problems of the day.

Also, I notice that chronic weed smokers can be nasty, nasty creatures when they're jonesing.

[Vickers]

11. I heard on DU recently that pot makes you PSYCHOTIC!

:crazy:

[elocs]

25. You know, that's not a joke for those of us with loved ones with schizophrenia

triggered by pot smoking. My 17 year old daughter has schizophrenia that was triggered (not "caused" for those who unable to distinguish the difference) by marijuana use and she wishes now she had never touched the stuff.

[daedalus_dude]

34. I hear ye.

I've seen it happen to a 17 year old. Despite the efforts of the people here to dismiss any of such claims, I know that it happens.

[EOTE]

43. You KNOW it happens just as well as we know it doesn't.

I've already debunked your bullshit claims and rather than trying to defend yourself, you just post another hit and run like you did yesterday. Do you ever get tired of disrupting or is that what you get off on?

[daedalus_dude]

46. "Debunked my bullshit claim"

whatever...

A hundred people ensuring me that they have never seen anyone react badly to pot don't negate the things that I have seen.

[EOTE]

63. You made claims that your sites showed a link between pot and schizophrenia.

THEY DID NOTHING OF THE SORT. And then when I pointed that out and even gave you my own sites which debunked that nonsense, you ignored them. So once again, epic, massive fail.

[daedalus_dude]

50. A single example of something happening disproves the hypothesis that it can never happen.

Take my word and that of elocs. That makes two cases.

[EOTE]

65. My uncle had lung cancer.

He also drank milk, almost daily. God damn that milk for giving my uncle cancer! You're an idiot.

[Dr Fate]

100. People with mental illness should avoid certain drugs- that's a no-brainer.

All I'm saying is lets not put healthy people in jail just b/c a mentally ill person did something they should not have done.

[etherealtruth]

147. I think that was part of the OP

"I'm all for legalizing it"

[TexasObserver]

44. Sorry, but I have a real problem with your scapegoating her self medication.

If your daughter is schizophrenic, it's because she's schizophrenic. Blaming weed for "triggering" it is a new fad.

Find a new doctor. Get a second and third opinion. Stop blaming the last thing she took to self medicate for the condition which exists without regard to what she's smoking.

Can weed make worse a mental condition, such as schizophrenia? Certainly. It can make worse mental conditions which exist in some persons, by amplifying the experience.

[daedalus_dude]

53. "self medicating" schizophrenia with marijuana.

oh lord. not a good idea at all.

[shadowknows69]

57. I'm schizophrenic and I smoke. And I can honestly say it goes both ways

In some people, even myself occasionally, it can trigger psychosis. My overwhelming experience has been that it relieves onsets of psychotic thoughts and behavior. I've known other people who have had panic attacks and psychotic episodes due to pot and have quit because of it. Overall I'd say MJ has relieved me more than hurt me. Again stating the obvious a trigger to a schizo episode isn't a cause of it. I believe the prevailing thought on the matter is that you're born with it. I clearly showed symptoms before I ever smoked my first joint.

[TexasObserver]

60. Yes. People with Schizophrenia self medicate.

They use whatever they can get and whatever they think will help.

Please, get some education. Your state of ignorance can be cured.

[shadowknows69]

62. Particularly when we haven't had medical insurance for 20 years.

Sorry, street drugs are cheaper than shrinks.

[TexasObserver]

74. Yes, people who self medicate will use whatever is available.

They will try to get whatever best helps them cope, but they'll take whatever they can get, if that choice is not available to them.

[Sebastian Doyle]

152. And a hell of a lot less harmful than most pharmaceuticals.

Smoke a lot of dope, fall asleep. Mix the wrong commercial prescriptions, grab a gun and start shooting people.

Think I'd prefer the weed. (Haven't touched it in nearly a decade, but I'd take it over Prozac any time)

[cliffordu]

145. I dunno - in some cases there's no fix for stupid.

[elocs]

110. I guess the point should be to find a new doctor to agree with your point of view,

then I will know I have the correct one. In my daughter's case marijuana, a mind altering drug, did trigger her schizophrenia. If it were alcohol people wouldn't be so wound up about hearing anything that is possibly negative. If someone were poisoned by too much alcohol consumption, would to say that be scapegoating alcohol? Why on earth, then, is marijuana so holy, untouchable, and blameless for anything negative its use has?

[TexasObserver]

116. Yes, you'd do better with one who knows more.

Whatever you do, don't try to find the real causes. That would be too logical.

[frylock]

130. thank you..

evidently it's the weed heads who are dilusional, and not the people with instances of psychosis within their family history who are looking for something to blame.

[TexasObserver]

133. People look for anything but their own family history to blame.

There's clearly often a history of schizophrenia in the family of a schizophrenic. Assumedly, the prior cases in the family were not caused by smoking weed.

It's like when suicidal patients commit suicide. Their families usually want to blame the suicide on the person's doctor, the medications they were taking, or some person. It's much harder to accept that a person may have been bedeviled by things not easily understood, things that might be genetic or hereditary.

I would suggest the girl who had the episode while smoking was having it whether she smoked or not. Coincidence is not causation.

[Vickers]

56. Bullshit. Hey, did she ever try peanut butter?

Maybe that was the catalyst.

:rofl:

[TexasObserver]

67. People often need to blame something other than genes or heredity.

Someone finds a correlation, and that correlation becomes the "cause," irrespective of its truth or not.

[frylock]

132. +1

[shadowknows69]

69. That really is just unnecessarily cruel.

I agree with elocs that it CAN be a trigger. Many things can be. It all depends on your brain chemistry and how the THC reacts with it. Trauma can be a trigger. Depression can be a trigger. Assault or molestation can be a trigger. You're born with it, but any number of things can be the catalyst.

[Vickers]

77. Including peanut butter?

:eyes:

Look, I feel bad for anyone with a mental illness...that's not the part I'm making fun of.

I *am* maiking fun of someone who thinks a puff of marijuana somehow unhinged their kid.

It's sad and desperate.

[shadowknows69]

84. No, it can actually happen. There are too many variables to discount it completely

And, as I said, I also speak from personal experience. I'd be the last pot smoker to defend the bullshit propaganda war againt weed, but I'd be the first pot smoker to advise caution. Particularly if you might have the potential for mental illness. Perhaps elocs daughter was simply on that edge and the grass eased her over. I'm positive it wasn't the pot alone, but it could have been a factor.

[Vickers]

89. I disagree with you.

Let's say she was "on that edge"...would she have EVER went over that edge had she NOT smoked pot?

:shrug:

[Maru Kitteh]

102. Shadow speaks from personal experience, you speak only from your personal wish that it be untrue.

Shadow has evidence. You have bumpkiss.

Some people have medical conditions that mean that for them, pot may be generally inadvisable or at least used with the utmost of caution. That doesn't mean it should be illegal.

[shadowknows69]

118. Experience isn't necessarily evidence, I'm offering insight.

I think MJ is 99.9% safe for 99% of people who choose to use it and I know it has many medicinal possiblities, but as with anything mind altering, including prescription meds, the effect on some people can be unpredictable. I never thought in a million years pot could cause pyschosis until, as I said, I started having a couple friends who had awful experiences. One, who is a good friend and truly a brillant guy, probably has a form of schizoaffective like I do, knowing what I do now about it, and he quit smoking because it was indeed causing such reactions.

[Maru Kitteh]

134. Experience is evidence, it's just not necessarily conclusive. n/t

[Vickers]

136. Way to answer the question.

Talk about bumpkiss!

:rofl:

[shadowknows69]

103. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know enough about the affliction yet, except living with it.

Maybe it is a question of whether or not pot made the onset sooner rather than later. I'll be sure to ask my therapist about it.

[Vickers]

137. Whatever the causative factors, strength to you in dealing with it.

:thumbsup:

[elocs]

109. This is the typical and insightful DU response about marijuana that I expect.

Anything that is not liked about marijuana is dismissed as bullshit out of hand.

It's too bad that you think that someone having a serious brain disease is so funny, but its no joke. You certainly are a pathetic individual. The good news for me is that I will never have to read one of your infantile posts again.

[TexasObserver]

140. As long as you have a scapegoat, that's all that really matters.

You've got your bogey man now, and it explains why your life isn't what you wanted.

That fits well with your other beliefs, which never seem to be leaning toward the progressive side.

[Vickers]

144. Having a mental illness is not funny...blaming it on POT is.

:rofl:

Fucking incredible, the "science" bandied about here!

[shadowknows69]

59. Sorry to hear about your daughter's experience elocs.

I had to look into my past to see if that might have been my case, but my shrink and I determined that I showed symptoms of schizo affetive disorder (my official diagnosis at this time) from a very early age for some reason. I know what a few of the "triggers" were at certain times, but haven't pinpointed the first one I guess. Is your daughter in therapy, if you don't mind me prying? I'm finding simple memory recall can bring a lot of enlightenment. PM me if you ever want to talk or even have any good advice. Need all I can get these days.

[asdjrocky]

155. No ones schizophrenia has ever been triggered by pot smoking.

Period. I'm sorry you think that, but it's simply not true.

[eShirl]

12. What have YOU been smoking?

You're laughing at THIS?? --> "Did you know weed makes chemo patients hungry?"

F. O. A. D.

[charlie]

13. What do you want for your birthday, sport?

We could get you a GI Joe or maybe a Gameboy. It'll be more awesome fun than splattering the forum with baiting hit-and-run tripe. Just ask.

[Curtland1015]

19. Yeah, he TOTALLY said he hates pot and wants pot smokers to go to jail forever!

Oh wait, he didn't. He just made a light little joke about potheads thinking weed was made of magic.

Lighten up for God's sake.

[charlie]

23. Lighten up, Sunshine

I can TOTALLY say he hates pot and wants pot smokers to go to jail forever. Except, oh wait, I didn't.

You want a GI Joe too? Just ask.

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. .

:spray: :thumbsup:

[JTFrog]

95. Apparently you assume this was a simple one of a kind lighthearted post by the OP.

Pot has been a pet subject of the OP's. Those paying attention have recognized his agenda for what it is.


By the way, on what planet do you live where making fun of chemo patients is a light little joke?

[paparush]

14. The Ad at the bottom of the page - "Say No To Pot"

:rofl: :spray:

[Luminous Animal]

16. Ad brought to you by the glorious law enforcement industry

Do we have no brains here? Why is DU supporting this?

[paulsby]

20. law enforcement isn't responsible for criminalizing pot

our legislators are. obama, fwiw, is agaisnt legalization.

i am for it, but i don't believe the absurd propaganda that NORML puts out any more than i believe the absurd anti mj propaganda.

mj is not a wonderful great thing. it's a drug. it has benefits and drawbacks. like any drug. it's not addictive, it has no LD50, and it doesn't provoke the kind of violent assholery we see with alcohol. but it's hardly some benign super drug of the gods that will cure all the ills of the world.

the propaganda on both sides is silly.

[hobbit709]

21. Vested interest on the part of some in law enforcement.

How many narcs would be on the unemployment line of pot was decriminalized?
what would the DEA do if they were out of a job?
How did Harry J Anslinger get his start?

[paulsby]

24. and it aint us that made/make it illegal

in my state (WA) the citizens have the power to legalize it through initiative. hasn't happened.

the legisature could do it too.

hasn't happened.

same goes for the federal level with congress.

hasn't happened.

i know LOTs of cops (and several DEA agents) who would love to see pot decrim'd or legalized.

the DEA would have plenty of work w/o pot. i've worked with them many times. no shortage of meth, etc. to go after.

the fault lies with the legislature. THEY make these dumb laws. not cops. we are forced (in some cases) to enforce dumb laws.

[TexasObserver]

45. Yeah, cops just plant it on people they want to bust.

Cops just confiscate it, so they can smoke it with their buddies, or use it to plant on perps they want to charge for a crime not committed.

Stop acting as if cops aren't knee deep in the abuse of pot smokers and those who don't even smoke. Without drug seizure money, every department in America would have budget problems.

[paulsby]

81. boring bigoted anti-cop post

how typical. we are discussing the fact that it is LEGISLATORS that have created the situations we are in.

but yes, oh these evul cops and their drug plantin' ways!

[TexasObserver]

91. This video proves cops plant weed on suspects. The bigotry is yours.

You're hopelessly committed to rationalizing all police misconduct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAhHd6M2Sjg

Now, thump your chest some more, Barney Fife.

[paulsby]

93. no, im not

nobody denies some cops are corrupt.

to paint all cops with that banner is no different than saying "black people smoke crack" because a tiny percentage do.

how is that relevant?

we are discussing policy, but oh those evul cops!

[Luminous Animal]

27. Our legislators are the driving force in our glorious law enforcement

industry. We don't lock up our fellow citizens at a rate more than any most any other country on earth by magic. We make laws! And then wee enforce them!*







*Laws mostly enforced against people darker than parchment.

[paulsby]

32. and if the legislators would stop making stupid laws

life would be much better.

i am happy that in many respects (speech, gun rights, search and seizure) we are amongst the freest in the world (especially in regards to the first - speech rights - where we are the freest).

however, the war on drugs is dumb, costly and repressive.

talk to the legislators. it's THEIR fault. not law enforcement

i also find it disturbing how many here want to prosecute people for stuff that isn't even illegal. i saw numerous cries to prosecute oreilly et al for calling tiller the baby killer, for throwing lori drew in jail, and for all these "bullying laws" and other vague kneejerk legislation.

we need less criminal law. not more

[Luminous Animal]

39. If you think that law enforcement

doesn't have a stake in drug laws then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. It's a rare cop, from kindergarten cop on up, as a union or as an individual, that does not advocate for enforcement of our draconian drug laws. There are plenty of law enforcement agencies that profit off of pre-trial (and damn the probability of conviction) property confiscation. The rank and file may have not been part of the problem at conception in regards to obscene rates or incarceration. But they are certainly part of the problem now.

[paulsby]

40. law enforcement isn't a monolith

and we don't decide. legislatures decide.

it's THEIR fault, because only THEY have the power to change it.

it's really that simple.

[Dr Fate]

61. Which Law Enforcement organizations are advocating legalization?

And which ones are backing up prohibition?

A tally might clear up this debate, but I'm pretty sure I already know the outcome.

[paulsby]

72. plenty of individual cops

are promoting legalization. most cops keep their mouths shut because they don't want ot make waves. i've never heard of any DEA agent (line agent) speak out for legalization. why would they? risk getting a shitty assignment because they said something against the government's general policy?

again, it's irrelevant.

the fault of BAD POLICY lies with the policy MAKERS.

they pass the laws. it's THEIR fault.

and if you vote for them, that has much more effect than what a cop says.

we have no power to change law.

citizens do en masse (through initiative) and legislators do.

[Dr Fate]

90. Plenty more individual cops and most Law Engorcement Orgs. go on record supporting prohibition.

Cops, through their various organizations and lobby groups have plenty of power & gravitias to advocate for legalization.

They dont though, do they? Probably b/c they AGREE with prohibition.

I'll blame the legislature as well as the 100% of the Law Enforcement Organizations that seem to agree with them.

[paulsby]

92. my law enforcement organization takes no stance

either way. why would they? our constituency has a mixed opinion. as do line cops in general.

you might be interested to notice that the high profile cops who come out prodecrim or prolegalization almost always do it AFTER they resign. why? because chiefs, etc. are political animals/appointees and don't want to piss off the mayors that appoint them

again, it's irrelevant. lots of cops support prohibition. lots support decrim. NEITHER are responsible for the policy. those that make policy are responsible for it.

the dems are just as fucking weak on decrim as the repubs. they both suck.

that's reality

[Dr Fate]

94. Wrong- members of your org. JAIL pot smokers. I'd say that's a stance.Thanks for nothing. n/t

n/t

[melman]

156. You got it.

[KittyWampus]

42. it's a conspiracy.

[hobbit709]

15. Talk about a one-track mind.

Too much dihydrogen monoxide can have deleterious side effects,

[Curtland1015]

17. + 200!

I don't give a crap if someone wants to light up. Hell, I think the government should legalize it!

But some of the more "rabid" pot heads treat it like it's ANGEL TEARS or something!

Smoking pot is good for your lungs! It makes you a BETTER driver! It gives you energy! Blah, blah, blah...


Yes...

It's calming, it helps ease pain for many sick people, you can turn hemp into clothes... all great, but it's not a magical cure all.

[Le Taz Hot]

26. Honey,

in 40 years of smoking pot, I have never, repeat, NEVER had anything remotely akin to the "conversation" you posit.

[tekisui]

28. fail.

[stray cat]

29. It seems to convince one of their vast wisdom - after all facts are so complicated - why bother?

[JNelson6563]

30. So, were you like 16 or something?

I know many grown ups who part-take (moderately) and I gotta say, such conversations are nothing like what I've heard.

Boy this thread reveals a lot. Love the term "pot head" being thrown around so much, like anyone who partakes at all is a total stoner. It is like calling anyone who drinks any alcohol at all a "drunk".

Sorry to see ignorance and judgementalism so prevalent.

Julie

[EOTE]

31. Another hit and run? Didn't get a big enough smack down last time?

Are you really so dense as to not understand that THC is a medically proven bronchodilator as well as provides an appetite stimulator for those on chemotherapy as well as other medical treatments which reduce appetite? And you're going to make fun of this why? The previous thread didn't make you feel like enough of a stupid ass? Just what is your agenda here? Got a vendetta out for chemo patients now? I guess you'd prefer they waste away? You're an incredibly sick fuck.

[eShirl]

48. he calls Lyndon LaRouche a "lefty" too

I think he's hungry for a special delivery

[TexasObserver]

49. No "lefty" has ever called LaRouche a "lefty."

But the drive by right wing does.

[daedalus_dude]

52. lol. Now I am the "drive by right" for messing with the holy plant.

[TexasObserver]

58. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Every post you've made looks like it was written by Glenn Beck.

I suppose he has to be doing something while he's on suspension.

[EOTE]

66. Nope. Just a moron. NT.

[eShirl]

75. that's what you get when you lower yourself to posting on a "lefty" board

[DU GrovelBot]

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[independentpiney]

35. Everything you know about marijuana youn learned from 'stoner' movies ?

What an incredible display of ignorance and judgementalism your post is.

[jasi2006]

37. Ever see a returning soldier who uses weed?

You know they are far from loving and peaceful.

[Vickers]

138. I'm loving and peaceful.

:shrug:

[RadiationTherapy]

38. Boy, some people have dumbassed conversations.

[TexasObserver]

41. It's not the weed that made them sound stupid. It's the stupidity.

When smart people get high, they don't talk like that.

[HamdenRice]

47. I agree completely. Claims for pot's benefits are outlandish & based on being stoned

I've read on DU that legalizing it would end the recession, cure cancer, blah, blah, blah.

It's annoying. At least drunkards don't believe that alcohol will solve all the world's problems.

There is something unique about chronic cannabis intoxication that causes addicts to think that pot has these unique omnipotently benevolent qualities.

But it's definitely a symptom of intoxication and addiction.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

106. "At least drunkards don't believe that alcohol will solve all the world's problems. "

No, they just crash their cars and kill people.

[TexasObserver]

141. Many drunkards do think they have ALL the answers.

Find someone in public talking loudly about how things ought to be a certain way, and they're a lot more likely to be drunk than smoking weed.

[Occulus]

142. Go tell it to a chemo or HIV patient who can eat now.

When you come back with a shiner, you can apologize for that.

[HamdenRice]

149. What does that have to do with the issue at hand?

I realize it's very good for appetite and chemo nasea. That doesn't mean that all the crackpot claims that are made for it are true, or that regular pot smokers' opinions of what it can do are not affected by their addiction.

I don't think people who never smoked or people who are active smokers, can judge whether it's a benign drug. The people who are in the best position to say are those who once smoked and stopped. Few of those people, like me, have any desire ever to smoke again. My favorable view of it when I smoked was definitely based on deranged notions of what feeling "good" felt like.

It's the same with cigarettes. Most cigarette smokers will say they enjoy smoking. Almost no former smokers say that smoking cigarettes was a positive experience.

[Dr Fate]

51. Just b/c you acted dumb when you were in college does not mean I did.

And it doesnt mean I'm dumb now either.

FAIL and unrecommended-but a kick for the good whiskey lushes everywhere!

[Kansas Wyatt]

64. Smells like a mixture of burning hair and burning rubber.

Sorry, I don't have a dog in this hunt.

[snooper2]

70. um, I've wake-n-baked for 15 years now...

people don't really talk like that FYI :)

[martymar64]

143. He should write stoner movies scripts

As a fellow wake-n-baker, my friends and I never talked like that either. We talked about things like politics and chicks and music and chicks and movies and chicks and astronomy and chicks. . .


:7

[EOTE]

71. Do you deny that pot is a bronchodilator and increases appetite in chemo patients?

Really, I'd seriously like an answer. I'd like to know if you're just an idiot or if you're a malicious asshole as well. There's plenty of other things to note in your idiotic post, but I'd like to start with these. Are you just trying to stir shit up or are you really this ignorant? I don't expect to get an answer, but whatever.

[daedalus_dude]

78. To be honest, I'm not up to date on the facts regarding these two things...

it may or may not.

my main concern lies with the connection between schizophrenic episodes and marijuana.

[hootinholler]

80. This should be good

What is the connection between schizophrenia and pot? Other than people who are schizo sometimes smoke pot and do other drugs?

-Hoot

[EOTE]

82. So, you admit to talking completely out of your ass...

but you just want to stir shit up anyway? If you were JUST concerned about the schizophrenia link, why didn't you stick with the first thread you started on the subject? You know, the one where you were getting your ass handed to you on a platter?

[daedalus_dude]

83. yadda yadda.

the pot-advocates are behaving a little bit like townhall protesters here. if you call that "handing ass", whatever.

[Vickers]

85. Someone who posts some bullshit and has been here less than 3 weeks is

commenting on *OUR* behaviour?

:rofl:

Whatever, dude: seems like TALKING out of your ass is your superpower.

[eShirl]

88. keep stirring

[EOTE]

96. Brilliant and logical reply!

You can try to avoid it all you want, but you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I'll give you points for persistence, though. You're like the 25 year old loser who's just so sure he's going to get his GED one of these days.

[Echo In Light]

108. Is this OP the same who started a gazillion threads about Woodstock?

I didn't follow those that closely, so I can't recall ... but the tone seems familiar.

[EOTE]

111. Couldn't be a gazilion as he's only got like 100 posts right now.

But I wouldn't doubt it if he's the one you're thinking of. He does seem to have a distinct taste for masochism.

[Echo In Light]

112. It's a figure of speech to convey a point.

[EOTE]

114. Just giving you a hard time.

I'm well aware that a gazilion isn't a real number. Now a jabilion, that's another story.

[EOTE]

101. Funny how you don't mention schizophrenia one time in your OP.

You did in a previous post, but once again, your ass was handed to you. You know, smoking pot might make you a bit enlightened. Certainly couldn't make you anymore ignorant than you already are.

[shadowknows69]

117. As someone with COPD I can atest to the fact that it is a bronchial diolator

Doesn't mean I should be smoking it, but can't afford a vaporizer yet. Hell, can't even afford the pot anymore anyway so it's a moot point.

[EOTE]

122. Vaporizers are nice, but you have to be patient.

I'm an asthmatic and pot's always helped me in that regard. After smoking a single cigarette, I'd feel like crap the whole day and next. Toking a joint had the opposite effect on me, at least for the day. I'd breathe better and have less wheezing. The biggest thing that it's helped me with is the frequent bronchitis I would get. Sometimes I'd get it twice per year and it would be BAD. Since I've started toking, I haven't had it a single time (well over 10 years). As soon as I'd get that tickle in the back of my throat that would tell me bronchitis is coming on, I'd have a little toke, I'd cough up the phlegm, and I'd be fine. If you're looking to try out a vaporizer and have a soldering iron available to you and a few other bits and pieces, it's relatively easy to make a DIY one.

[shadowknows69]

127. MacGuyver I'm not. I tried to glue the arm on a figurine once and ended up decapitating it.

I figured my days of small detail work were over at that point.

[Howardx]

86. the fact that you hung out with dumbasses means nothing

other than you make poor choices for companions.

[Forkboy]

98. I'd tell you to get a hobby, but I suspect this is it.

[Orsino]

105. No. The burden of proof is on the law-and-orderists...

...who pretend to believe that locking up users is a magical solution to anything.

[Echo In Light]

107. I've smoked since pre-teen yrs, and have known countless others who likewise have.

Yet the few instances I could cite re those I've known who took a bad turn or screwed up their lives were alcoholics. Go figure.

[shadowknows69]

120. And that's been my experience too Echo. I just can't discount the possibility

Pot has caused psychotic episodes for me and some people I know. 99% of the time it helps me prevent such episodes, but not everything is for everyone.

[Cleita]

113. How come no one talked about prohibition back then?

When booze was made illegal, it created speakeasies, ganglands, guys running around with Tommy Guns in violin cases and was a big boon to organized crime in this country. We have the same situation going on with drugs. Decriminalizing drugs will put the gangsters out of business. That is the main reason to do so. As for the rest of your conversations, I'll choose the last point you made to debunk in case anyone thinks it's true. I work with chemo patients and weed not only lessens the pain of the cancer but also soothes the nausea, which is why they can't eat. Once the nausea is alleviated they can eat. It doesn't make them hungry.

[dionysus]

115. you need to rip some tubes and chill dude.

[notadmblnd]

123. Now give us one for all the drunks.

Don't forget the smacks and slaps of the belligerent drunk causing fights and getting his assed kicked. What the violent ones who beat their wives are saying while doing it. Don't forget the conversation the drunk is having with himself just as he falls asleep behind the wheel of a car and kills a car full of people head on. Oh, and please add the conversations with the stupid drunks that go on and on repeating the same thing over and over. And don't forget the conversati0on with the disgusting drunks. You know, the ones that puke all over your house or car. Those are the best, cause no one else can use the toilet because the drunk is passed out clinging to it.

I could go on and on, however, I think you get my point.

[gravity]

124. I was perscribed THC pills for chemo

I really didn't think it helped that much. Getting prescribed the steroid prednisone made me eat like a horse though.

Weed has some medical uses, but it isn't a miracle drug anymore than asprin or benadryl. It has side effects like any other drug

[Cleita]

126. Using the herb works better regardless of how you get it delivered.

Marinol, the pill you got isn't as effective, but in some states it's the only version that is legal. However you are right. It's not a panacea but one of the tools you use to help your condition.

[shadowknows69]

128. It's so rare you get to use a cool word like panacea. Just pointing that out. I go now.

[EOTE]

131. Funny you should say that weed isn't a miracle drug any more than aspirin is.

Aspirin has been considered to be a miracle drug for several decades. Of course anything has side effect, just listen to any prescription drug commercial. The problem is that pot's benefits far outweigh the consequences unlike so many of those commercials you see ads for with the micro machines man spewing out the side effect for 40 seconds speaking as fast as possible. And I'm guessing you were prescribed Marinol for your chemo, it's nothing like the real thing. That's synthesized THC, so it's missing out on all of pot's other cannibinoids. I only wish that pot didn't give me the munchies as much as it does.

[Onceuponalife]

125. You need to chill out, dude

[frylock]

129. give it a rest newb..

you and your other drug warrior friend have had your asses handed to you on this subject for the last three days. how many times are you going to post this crap before you give up? post some fucking links to back up your assertions, or just shut the FUCK up already.

[juno jones]

135. One trick pony.

Ah the rubbery smell of rancid troll.

[flvegan]

139. Will you PLEASE shut the fuck up about this?

Hot damn but stupidity seems to be your calling card on this topic.

Just shut up. Jesus.

[etherealtruth]

148. Am I missing something?

"I am all for legalizing it. Mainly because I believe in privacy and that adults should make their own decisions. And I also think that it probably has some sort of useful medical purpose. But to say that people cannot have negative reactions to it, and that it will make us all healthy, peaceful and prosperous is I think an overstatement."

For the life of me I can't find anything objectionable in this statement. I certainly want to see pot (and actually, most if not all "illicit" drugs legalized). I think the enforcement of Marijuana laws are more harmful than using the stuff .... with that said I have no desire to smoke it, would prefer my children did not (I feel the same way about alcohol use). If/when it is helpful for alleviating some symptoms in some people I would encourage its use.

I find it neither glorious or evil.

[bamacrat]

151. Weed usually makes boring things less boring.

I am a week into not smoking, so I can get a job in a few months but it does make mundane things fun. I havent felt like playing video games since. My attention span is better when high. It is way way less harmful and more beneficial than alcohol. It should be legalized because adults should be able to make their own decisions as to what they put in their body. It isnt magical but it could chill people out to the point where many would be more peaceful. There are alot of people who are violent drunks who are loud and mean and endanger all those around them by driving. Weed would calm them down. i have numerous friends that cant smoke because of work or being afraid of being caught that say they would never drink again if they could legally smoke. Its not for everyone but its legalization would have 10 times more benfits to society than harms.

[Strong Atheist]

153. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[asdjrocky]

157. What a crap post.

It would be ok if it were funny, hell, I could blaze and have a good chuckle. But this pos is so full of holes someone would have to be completely wasted to believe any of it.

I'd take it apart piece by piece, but I'd rather enjoy my day.

[MrMickeysMom]

160. Here, I'll take it apart for you so we can both go on and have a nice day-

This OP seems to recall some pretty good mental masturbation during stoned conversation from yester-year that would otherwise have been some pretty lame mental masturbation conversations of yester-year.

If they never progressed beyond THAT dialog, that's their so called "uninspired" life- some people just want to occasionally unwind and have meaningful conversation, which is a by-product of getting stoned when you already have something to say.

Then, there are those who want to get stoned so they can continually and knowingly do very little in that state.

I'd wager there WERE and ARE more creative and dialogs than what was described here.

*Burp* Now that THAT'S out of me...

Have a nice day! :hi: :peace:

[asdjrocky]

162. Peace back at ya, and thanks. You're a good egg.

[ladywnch]

158. so I guess Sarah Palin must have been smoking since birth since

none of her conversations are near this lucid!

[devilgrrl]

159. Weed made not be for everyone but it's an excellent elixir for SANCTIMONY!

:popcorn: