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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:26 PM
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Why is * trying to get a General to oversee
the two wars? Isn't the military supposed to have civilian leadership?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:28 PM
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1. He's fucked up big time and he finally realizes it
and nobody else wants to touch his cluster fuck with a 19 foot pole.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:29 PM
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2. because things really are far worse than we probably know. this move imo
almost seems hysterical and by that i don't mean funny.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:33 PM
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12. I think you're right--Chimpy and the Dick are realizing they are
in over their heads.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:29 PM
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3. drowning man grasping at straws
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:33 PM by frogcycle
the wheels started coming off even before the election, now its a train wreck

we've all been saying he is an incompetant boob wh screwed up everything he ever tried in life - it has come to pass -he is shit out of ideas - he's the decider but he doesn't know what to decide

I think when Gonzo tanked was the last straw - as long as he had gonzo telling him he could do whatever he wanted, he had confidence. now he knows he's drowning.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:30 PM
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4. Apparently he hasn't had any takers for this "new" position.
Perhaps because:
A) it's bogus!
B) who wants to be responsible for those messes!
C) he's an idiot & everybody knows it!
:crazy:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:32 PM
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9. What I meant was, the President is
Commander in Chief because I believe the constitution requires a civilian to be in charge of the military. How can he be looking for a General to fill this position?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:34 PM
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13. a retiired general is a civilian
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:38 PM
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15. Thanks, I didn't think of that.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:36 PM
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14. olbermann asked
(forget his name - WH corresp) why Colin Powell's name was not being floated for the position

He answered quite straightforwardly - "from my interviews with people in the know, you would only select Colin Powell if you wanted to pull All the troops out RIGHT NOW"
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:30 PM
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5. That way, he can claim
he was stabbed in the back by his generals, when everything really goes to hell, not just halfway to hell, which is where we are now.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:31 PM
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6. Bush is dumping his problem on someone else then cutting and running
...the story of his whole fucked up life....George W. Bush the loser. :wtf:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:31 PM
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7. He's got to find a new face to blame his f-up on
anyone, anyone.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:32 PM
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8. Civilian leadership. You're talking about ...
the OLD US of A. Actually, I think he's tired of being "Commander in Chief", so he's outsourcing that particular responsibility. And also, he hopes, the blame.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:53 PM
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22. It's "Hard Work, Daddy! I don't want to play this game anymore!"
:P
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:32 PM
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10. What did Hitler do
when it turned out the he was not a military genius but a paper hanger after all?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:48 PM
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21. Watched his country be destroyed and then killed himself.
This is not good...not good...
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:33 PM
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11. Same reason he had his daddy's friends bail his businesses out
And buy the ball team. And the same reason he has found some flunky to cover his ass all his lamentable life.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:40 PM
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16. Simple - he needs a scapegoat when the inevidible failure becomes apparent
I heard on tonight's news that 3 generals have already turned down the assignment. 'nuff said....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:42 PM
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17. Because the Paraguay Chapel Ranch has LOTS of brush to cut.
This actually is quite worrisome, that he wants to pawn all of his massive, orchestrated catastrophe off onto what's left of our military.

* is acting like the criminal he is... while the alarms are blasting and the swat teams are swooping in, he's still busting jewelry display cases on the way out to the getaway car.
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:42 PM
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18. A fall guy of course
Bu$h knows a General will fall on his sword and take all the blame for this fiasco because they worship the ground he walks on, and then bu$h can take a long vacation at his pig farm in Crawford!
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IllLib Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:42 PM
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19. He needs a scapegoat.
Seems as though the generals that he has approached know this tho.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:47 PM
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20. I think that this is a very, very frightening development.
I see this as the real evidence of a collapse - not only of the Presidency, but of Bush, personally. He is really going off the rails with all of this opposition to him and his "policies". He is losing it, big time (to coin a phrase), and this is the most dangerous time in our nation's history. Right now, the way our government is put together, we are in the thrall of a man who is coming apart at the seams; and he is surrounded by sycophants who have no lives apart from serving and sucking up to this deranged, unraveling, little man. We are in trouble, and I can't help but feel that it is more trouble than we, as a nation, have ever seen...
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:57 PM
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23. If you're right, maybe that is why Cheney was hiding in the bushes the other day
while Shrubie gave his speech....ready to charge in and clean up any outrageous comments. :shrug:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:00 PM
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24. you are only describing what has been comingf or a long time
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 11:01 PM by frogcycle
I have written repeatedly that we will face an extra-constitutional emergency

there is no remedy on the books for what is coming

just as no president had ever resigned when Nixon did it, we will see history made

i just don't know what it will be, and whether we will weather it

back then Ford stepped in in a reasonably smooth transition, cleaned up somewhat, and rode it out

we need the entire administration gone. We can't have cheney taking over. if the right things were to occur, somehow bush and cheney would be relieved of command and Pelosi would be president (I wrote a fanciful blog about that two years ago)

But that would inflame the right no end, and in our polarized condition, i don't know that we'd get through it. It would certainly be a test. Maybe not quite as big a test as in 1860, but, then again - who knows? We might end up with a domestic insurgency - dems would be the Shia, and the RW would be the Sunnis, car-bombing right and left. Sound absurd? Think about it. Who was the Unibomber? What happened to the Federal Building in Ok City?

I'm not saying chaos and anarchy WILL ensue, but the prospect is out there.

Maybe if we could get Colin Powell appointed VP, then get bush out, and Powell would withdraw the troops, that would appease the right...
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:32 PM
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26. with all the National Guard now oversees, we are left with paid mercenaries ie. Blackwell
this truly is a frightening time for this country.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:14 PM
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25. I agree Dhalgren.
This specific issue is, of course, a classic off-loading of the problem - trying to get a fall guy in place who the administration can blame when the whole mess finally implodes. Guess no intelligent general is willing to perform for the Decider. I'm sure there's a Master Sargent or Corporal that could be talked into the role, though.

Your comment on him "losing it" is quite true. In fact, I have to say Bush has held up remarkably well to date. Considering how vilified he is and the intense, multi-faceted pressure of the mounting expose into the criminal enterprise, he's scaring me with his ability to ignore the critics and maintain his incredibly stupid tact of thumbing his nose at Congress. There are real crimes against the Constitution; crimes of the highest order being committed with his approval. I wonder what actions such a person is capable of undertaking to avoid accountability and justice being rightfully served. Frankly, impeachment may be the only recourse for Congress to keep him from damaging our country further.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:33 PM
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27. And you have put your finger directly on the scariest part of this ugly saga:
"I wonder what actions such a person is capable of." That is what is so unnerving about all of this. What wouldn't Bush do? And if he "decided" to do the unthinkable, who would stop him? We always hope and pray that some patriotic underling would step up and do his/her duty and stop the cretin from doing the ultimate damage, but that is a mighty thin hope. This is what makes for sleepless nights...
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:49 PM
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28. I expect that there are discussions along these very lines
when it comes down to it, he can't do much of anything on his own. he can only give orders.

And as bad as various illegal orders on various topics are, the only really scary - immediate-scary ones, are military.

There are enough rumblings about discontent in high places that I strongly suspect there are contingency plans in place. That is, if CiC issues order to (do x) the following group will convene immediately to decide if it is an illegal order, and what action to take if that is the determination. It is actually their constitutional obligation.

From what little I know of a certain former chairman of joint chiefs and sect of state, who got royally bamboozled (not without guilt) into getting us into this mess, I would expect such plans to be ready to roll on a moments notice.
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