Michael Vick signs with Philly. Just fyi for anyone who cares.

[babylonsister]

Heard on pre-season game on ESPN.

:wow: :grr:

[JuniperLea]

1. Disgusting...

And embarrassing.

I'm boycotting, that's it. That is creepy, sick and wrong. Ugh!

:banghead:

[babylonsister]

You misconstrued my reaction.

Vick did his time.

Philly is a big challenge against the NY Giants, MY team.

I wonder how McNabb feels about this.

[BlooInBloo]

22. I'm sure McNabb is fine with it. It would be hard to find a better mentor than McNabb.

[Buzz Clik]

43. Vick will not be in game shape probably until midseason.

McNabb is safe this year. Next year... time to worry.

[babylonsister]

52. Unless he gets hurt; he's getting a bit long in the tooth, no? nt

[gauguin57]

120. Just because Vick did his time doesn't mean he should ever play pro football again.

This sends the most disgusting message possible to the youth of America: You can be a low-down, contemptable skank, but as long as you potentially will bring in the dough, all is forgiven.

It's revolting. And it's another reason why I don't follow professional sports. Money will buy you out of hell in professional sports. Blech.

[JuniperLea]

146. Yep

There are many more deserving waiting for thier chance.

It's not like he was on steroids and playing baseball or something. He inflicted horrific pain on another living creature.

Blech is right.

Excuse the fuck out of me if I don't give a pass to a fucking monster with no compassion for the life of another living being.

[MissDeeds]

150. +1

Could not agree more.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

147. The headline for the Philadelphia Daily News today

was "Hide Your Dog". The beat reporter for Philadelphia sports was on ESPN this morning and he was saying that on sports radio in Phily it was about 95 percent against this and 5 percent for Vick playing there. The backlash has already begun. Unless he performs way beyond what a guy who has been out of the league for 3 seasons is expected to do, he will be gone before the end of the season.

[taterguy]

8. I too, won't go to any Eagles games this year

Whew, that felt good.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Likewise. Much too far to drive. I'm hoping to take in a Colts game or two.

[taterguy]

46. I've been boycotting them since they ripped the heart out of Baltimore

And I also boycott any pro sports team that plays on artificial grass.

Nice of them to give Caldwell a chance though.

[Buzz Clik]

53. Growing grass indoors is a bit of a challenge.

[paulsby]

90. he did his time

i can respect that and if the NFL wants to give him a chance, that's fine with me.

Also, the NFL is hardly a collection of moral people. It's a collection of football players. people who watch pro football want to see good football players. whether or not they are morally pure is not much of a consideration.

vicks did some despicable shit. and he was punished for it.

i'm in law enforcement. i have no problem with punishing violent criminals. it shouldn't follow that they shouldn't be given a second chance. he did his time.

[Joe Fields]

109. just as you are, I am entitled to my opinion, and while I agree that

Vick served his sentence, I am opposed to him getting back into pro football. No one would be depriving him of a living. I guarantee you that if he never played football again, there are plenty of idiots out there, probably some television executives who would hire Vick for a lot of money. If nothing else, he could go sell insurance. A lot of old ex-athletes have done that, and they aren't even ex-cons. Playing in the NFL is not a right. It's a privilege. In my opinion he abused that privilege.

[paulsby]

114. i agree

it's a privilege for people who are GOOD AT FOOTBALL?

why does it bother you that he will be playing football? god knows it can't tarnish the reputation of pro football. i'm not sure what could do that. maybe if they hired some seal clubbers or something.

he didn't abuse the privilege of playing in the NFL. what he did had nothing to do with the NFL. pete rose is an example of somebody that abused the privilege of his sports body.

fwiw, i'm pretty libertarian. i don't give a flying fuck if athletes take performance enhancing drugs. it makes the game better.

if Vicks had been pullin' some scandal involving the NFL, i'd agree he should never play again.

even if Vicks committed murder, assuming he could still play after serving his time (maybe with lots of geritol), i would have no problem with the NFL hiring him.

i deal with felons all the time. people who have done some evil shit. vicks did some evil shit, and he paid the price.

imo, fair play is fair play. he was punished, and now he should play.

imo of course

[Joe Fields]

118. that's the spirit. let's continue to tarnish a sport already tarnished

with bad boys and slapped wrists. Reminds me of the guy who dumped his trash at an illegal dump because well, "It was already there, so what would a little more hurt?

As for addressing the issue of talent, believe it or not, there are plenty of super talented kids who deserve a shot at the pros. Which one isn't going to get the chance because of Michael Vick?

[paulsby]

119. the sport is tarnished

absolutely true. but at least we are not dishonestly pretending that just because somebody is good at throwing or catching a ball that bounces funny, that this makes them a hero or a role model.

i just want to keep the honesty there. the NFL should be about the best football players, and it generally is. disqualifying somebody for a past criminal act that they did their time for, seems overly punitive to me. and again, i'm speaking as a cop who has put people away for years for all sorts of heinous offenses. i'm hardly a bleeding heart when it comes to criminals and many them (not all) are frankly scumbags.

i'm saying that the NFL should try to encourage their athletes to be more responsible off the field. but the idea that we don't give people a second chance just seems very unjust to me.

you are right, if michael vicks left, that's a slot somebody else could fill.

[JuniperLea]

145. He had a very coveted position as an NFL player...

Why should he float back to the top. Let him out, he did his time, but there are many other deserving players who aren't morally corrupt that should be given a chance over this monster.

[greguganus]

155. Does anyone know where to find a list of companies that advertise on Eagle games?

I want to send them email and boycott their products. I'd be curious if any dog food companies are advertising.

[JuniperLea]

165. This popped up on Google...

snip...

Sponsors including KFC, Comcast, Sprint, Sovereign Bank, Aquafina, Mastercard, Verizon Wireless, Lincoln Financial(owners of the Eagles Stadium), Pepsico, Dunkin Donuts and more are all being targeted by protests and boycotts by anti Michael Vick sites such as the Campaign to Sack Michael Vick started in 2007, which at that time focused its attentions on leveraging direct sponsors of Michael Vick to remove their sponsorship of the quarterback before he had even been convicted of a crime. That ultimately led to the revocation of those sponsorships which cost Michael Vick as much as $250 million in deals by many estimates.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2062311/eagles_advertisers_prepare_for_michael.html?cat=35


Seems we have company;)

This is interesting too:

http://www.sackvick.net/

[greguganus]

170. Thanks!!! I'm free the weekend so I'm going to start emailing, phoning and boycotting. n/t

[armyowalgreens]

2. It's nice to see he got a job.

[verges]

65. Wal-Mart was hiring.

That's where he deserves to work.

[armyowalgreens]

80. I doubt they would hire him. Also, you don't know what he deserves.

But thanks for playing.

[verges]

86. They probably do have higher standards. The Eagles apparently don't.

The rat bastard cruelly tortured and killed animals. Now he gets to be in a position where he gets the adulation of fans. INCLUDING CHILDREN. Fine role model the Eagles put forth.

[paulsby]

91. football players aren;'t role models

they are athletes.

i defer to charles barkley. wrong sport, but the correct sentiment.

[verges]

133. To a kid who sees

the adulation, the money, the lifestyle etc. they are a role model. Kids want to grow up and be like their heroes. Selling Jerseys with certain players numbers is big business. Coca-Colas most popular commercial was of a star-struck kid confronting Mean Joe Green. We all know the story of the kid confronting Shoeless Joe Jackson; "Say ir ain't so Joe!" To impressionable kids, they are heroes. Role models.

We set athletes on a pedestal. If we didn't do this, professional sports wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar business.

[armyowalgreens]

102. You don't think they're role models. You're just made because he's getting paid a lot.

[ConnorMarc]

105. If You Eat Pork, Chicken, Beef

Or meat of any kind, you should kindly shut your mouth.

Because what's done to those animals are truly torurous.

The man paid his debt to society by doing hard time. Case closed.

[Kurska]

112. I'm well aware of how livestock is treated in this country, but we usally don't make cows fight to

the death or strap them to "cow racks" and slowly torture them to death.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

148. Good point

Wal-Mart may not hire him because of his status as a convicted felon and especially when they found out what he was convicted for. But the NFL has no problem with it. Dante Stallworth killed someone, got 24 days in prison and banned from the NFL for a year. I am sure next season he will give a tearful presser and be reinstated. Sad really.

[JuniperLea]

164. There are a lot of good decent men waiting for NFL spots...

I'd rather see one of them get it than someone who has no regard for life; someone who inflicted horrific pain on another living being. I'll not be cutting monsters like Vick any slack this year. I already gave.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

3. Ugh.

So much for my NFL season.

[Uzybone]

4. Good news....I like the Eagles

I think Andy Reid will use Vick at other positions than QB. McNabb now has a decent backup and an extra weapon.

[Rick Myers]

14. Extra weapon?

There's a misplaced pun! He will be handy if the Eagles play the Browns, since they're The Dawgs!!!

[Gman]

5. Someone said to me today, Michael Vick fought dogs and went to prison

Sarah Palin shoots moose from a helicopter and no one says a thing. There's something very wrong with that.

[paulsby]

92. no, there isn't

it's called rule of law.

[babylonsister]

103. And what part of Vick doing his sentence don't you get?

He did it, the rule of law is what he followed, so what now? He should be a pariah for the rest of his life?

Baloney.

[paulsby]

108. i agree with you dood

who the hell are you arguing with. i have repeatedly stated i think it's a GOOD thing that Vick is playing in the NFL, and there are about a half dozen posts of mine to that effect.

are you on crack, or were you responding to somebody else?

[babylonsister]

111. I'm not a dood, and I haven't seen any other posts. nt

[paulsby]

113. so why did u respond like u did to my post?

it makes no sense.

[babylonsister]

115. This post or another one?

I'm not responsible for what I wrote before this.

Don't you know that?

[paulsby]

116. my brain hurts

i didn't know that.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

149. You responded to someone that agreed with you

saying "what part dont you get". Fail.

[Gman]

144. This is a moral dilema

is it a rightfully a more jailable offense to fight dogs or hunt and shoot unsuspecting animals while hovering above them in a helicopter?

Then again, I think shooting deer at a feeder from a blind is not hunting, it's an assassination. No one will ever convince me that that is sporting.

[SeeHopeWin]

6. I wish everybody involved luck...nt

[Zywiec]

7. Thanks for the info. n/t

[loyalkydem]

9. Well

I'm glad someone gave him a chance. Whatever happened to forgive and forget.

[Rick Myers]

10. What does he think about health care reform?

Oh, Jeebus, that just sucks... Let it be known, if you are rich, the law does NOT apply to you...

[Uzybone]

12. what does that mean?

you know he was convicted and served his full sentence right?

[Rick Myers]

18. He should NOT be allowed to return to the NFL

Kids learn from their heroes... Vick is a punk. Let him get a job as a casino greeter!!!

He is NOT a role model. He is a CONVICTED FELON!

[armyowalgreens]

25. Who the hell sees NFL players as role models?

[verges]

88. kids, nt

[spiritual_gunfighter]

152. Children n/t

[spanone]

29. maybe kids will learn that if you are cruel & kill animals, you go to prison?

[Uzybone]

34. and lose all your money too

[verges]

134. But it's okay.

Because you can then go back and get your million dollar job right back.

[Ignis]

157. No, the lesson is: Don't get caught.

Vick tortured animals for YEARS before he was caught. He was caught, served some time, issued a press release about how sorry he is, and now he gets to go back to being a millionaire celebrity.

Wow. That's a harsh lesson for the kiddies there!

[Uzybone]

35. Strawman, no one called him a role model

he is not a role model. Just a football player getting a chance to ply his trade. No fair minded person should have a problem with a convicted felon who has served his time and shown remorse getting a chance to get on with his life.

[verges]

136. But professional athletes

ARE role models. Kids want to be just like their sports heroes(even if there is nothing heroic about them.) That's why specific number jerzeys are big business. That's why the Coke commercial with Joe Green was so successful. Why Air Jordans were so successful. And why other Athletes get endorsements and shoe lines.

Kids see all the adulation, the money, the lifestyle. They may not want to be role models. But, by being in the public eye, they are. That reaaly is part of the job.

[Fire1]

140. Being thrust into the lime light does not make a role model.

The 'public' is forever imposing their values on someone and quite frankly, that's the public's problem not the celebrity's problem.

[Fire1]

61. And just how many people are fit to be a role model?

Not very many, far as I can tell. I think he learned and taught a valuable lesson to the youth of this country. The world is filled with people who made mistakes and turned their life around. Just because he's on TV every week doesn't make him infallible and I'm certain he didn't work his entire career to be somebody's 'role model.'

[paulsby]

93. the NFL is not a collection of ROLE MODELS

it's for people talented enough to play football at the elite level.

for pete's sake, the NFL is full of scumbags. vicks did his crime, and he did his time.

i can respect that.

all this moralizing about NFL players is ridiculous. it's pro sports and it's about entertainment and money.

ah yes, the "what about the children" argument... lol.

[verges]

137. Sometimes it really is about the kids.

This is one of those times.

[Fire1]

142. No, it is not. n/t

[spiritual_gunfighter]

154. Tell that to your son n/t

[Fire1]

161. As a young adult, he is well aware it is NOT all about the kids.

It's about money, contracts, endorsements and big business.

[paulsby]

167. absolutely not

that's an odious argument and is used to justify all sorts of govt. intrusion, regulation, etc. from censorship to hysterical drug bans (anti-ephedrine campaign comes to mind, which was later overruled by the circuit court thank god), etc.

i don't want some kind of moral purity code for pro athletes. athletics would cease being about athletics.

example: i don't care how much of an asshole that yusain bolt might be. let's say we find out tomorrow that he garrots baby bunnies. he is still the fastest man in the world.

vicks did an evil thing. what is dispositive here imo is that he PAID for his crime.

[Fire1]

141. Neither is the NBA or NHL!!!! n/t

[paulsby]

168. correct, as sir charles barkley so succinctly noted nt

[Fire1]

172. And don't forget your pot smoking olympic swimmer. n/t

[paulsby]

174. i think that's awesome frankly,

because it helps circumvent the anti-mj propaganda so popular these days. i'm a cop who supports decrim of mj. i know from personal experience that there are tons of people who are productive members of this society who happen to enjoy an occasional joint.

the fact that one of the most dominant athletes ever can also enjoy an occasional hit of MJ is a positive step towards countering the anti-drug propaganda.

and fwiw, i am not saying that MJ is a "good" thing, nor do i think its benign and harmless like many NORML advocates propagandize. i simply acknowledge it is very safe, and not addictive

[Fire1]

175. That's not my point. I think it should be legalized too,

but until then, it is illegal and a criminal offense on several levels. Neither he nor any other athlete is infallible. Role model is in the eye of the beholder, imo.

[paulsby]

176. right

although in many jurisdictions, what phelps did was only a civil infraction (california has decrim'd personal possession), but i agree.

he committed a crime, assuming it WAS marijuana in that bowl. i say - good for him.

[JonLP24]

117. He is being a good model for kids

The humane society doesn't publicize the events but he has been doing quite a bit of community outreach usually in low-income neighborhoods where they usually never see NFL players come and visit. He's made several appearances in the last couple months and I don't have a link at this time but the Humane Society is looking at this as a good opportunity as what they said Philadelphia has a big dogfighting program and praised his ability to reach out to kids is an audience the Humane Society typically doesn't reach. But forget all the work he is doing to reverse the problem, let's all hope his knees get blown out.

[CalvinandHobbes]

132. Casino employees are my heroes....

Should i complain too?

[blueamy66]

138. Stallworth served his 24 day sentence as well.

Doesn't mean he should be able to play pro football again for millions. He killed a man.

There is something way wrong with our country's priorities.

[paulsby]

169. stallworth has already been suspended for the 2009-2010

season. so, he is effectively being fined millions. and when he serves his suspension, and assuming he doesn't transgress during that period, i will welcome. him back to the NFL. he also came to a financial settlement with the victims family.

[blueamy66]

180. Figure me if I am putting words into your mouth....

but you are not stating that because he paid off the victim's family, he should be allowed to play pro ball again? Or are you stating that he lost millions, including the money he bought off the victim's family with?

[paulsby]

182. what i am saying

is that he has paid his price to society (his jail sentence) and IF he completes probation and stays out of the trouble for the next year (iow during his suspension period), he should be welcomed back into the NFL fold. i mentioned that he also made redress to the family of the victim).

i don't like drunk driving. i have arrested several hundred DUI's (in 20 yr+ of law enforcement). i have had a friend killed by a drunk driver. i have had a coworker killed by one, line of duty,and several wounded. i have also worked with several officers who have been arrested for DUI. i am NOT saying he didn't do a bad thing. he did

[spiritual_gunfighter]

151. Explain then

Why an everyday person like you or me would have a harder time getting a job at Wal-Mart with a felony such as Vick's on our record, but Vick is reinstated 2 weeks after he served his sentence and paid 1.6 mil the first year. Do you see why that is a problem?

[babylonsister]

13. ??

He spent time in jail, paid his fines, did what the law required of him. Your beef doesn't make sense.

[Rick Myers]

26. I just mean no one should give him the time of day

He is a CONVITED FELON. If my neighbor came home from a strech in the joint, we'd welcome him, but we wouldn't elect him mayor!!!

[armyowalgreens]

31. As someone who has family members how are convicted felons...

I'd say you don't know what you are talking about.

[babylonsister]

36. I say let him play.

I would never condone what he did, but I firmly believe they made an example of Vick.

I also believe that the same thing is happening right this minute all over the country. Still.

[paulsby]

95. what an absurd analogy

you are comparing the position of mayor to the position of an NFL player.

NFL players aren't given political power. they are athletes. there are lots of scumbags in the NFL. they aren't role models. they are athletes. this is about entertainment and business, not all this absurd moralizing.

but heck, even a convicted felon can get elected mayor. ask buddy cianci or everybody's famous crack smoker.

[Flaneur]

123. I guess you never lived in DC.

[verges]

163. And O.J. was aquitted in a court of law. nt

[armyowalgreens]

17. He went to fucking prison.

[bluestateguy]

23. He got free health care, so I imagine he liked it

nt

[Rick Myers]

28. gov't run health care!!!

Come on, the guy is a FELON, not a sports hero...

[michreject]

40. You're right

He's not a sports hero. He's a professional athlete.

[bluestateguy]

11. I now have a least favorite NFL team

nt

[blueamy66]

139. Me too.

The sports bars will be alot of fun this season. Can't wait to see if anyone shows up in a Philly/Vick jersey.

[hlthe2b]

15. Well, given the PA folks showing up at the Health Care Town Halls

I'm thinking that many may not welcome him with open arms, independent of the dog cruelty issues...

[babylonsister]

21. I bet Eagles fans will be tickled pink. Those fringe

weirdos are in the minority. (heh)

[TorchTheWitch]

127. watch your mouth

I'm an Eagles fan along with everyone I know that lives here, and no we are not fringe weirdos. No, we aren't going to be tickled pink to be saddled with Vick and the very idea is absurd. Philly fans are notorious for not being kind to fuck ups and that's something we usually get bashed for. Apparently you forget what we did to that swine Sarah Palin for fouling our city and hockey ice with her disgusting presence. At least in this city when the powers that be make stupid decisions we let them know it loud and clear.

[msanthrope]

130. Damn Skippy!! Sounds like Reid wanted this for personal reasons:

SNIP
He said, "At this phase in my life, I'm big on second chances."

It was a reference to the legal issues of his two sons, Garrett and Britt - the drugs, the incarcerations, all well-publicized, all personally wrenching for Reid and his family. It was Reid offering a rare window into his heart. He is a man who does not often do that, who does not tell many personal stories, who does not open himself up to that kind of public introspection.

SNIP

On the night when the Eagles announced that they had signed Vick to a one-year contract with a club option for a second year - the same Michael Vick who did 18 months in prison for his involvement in a dogfighting operation - Reid opened his heart again. It was a stunning news conference, so unReidlike - even if he did start with injuries.

In it, the coach acknowledged that Vick has been on his mind for months and years. He said that Vick got into trouble at about the same time his sons got into trouble, and that he followed Vick's story from afar and compared it to what his sons were enduring. It was as open and as human as Reid has ever been at an interview podium, and it was clear that not only was this Reid's decision, first and foremost - but that his personal life opened him to the possibilities.

At one point Thursday night, he was asked whether he might not have been so open if he had not seen his sons, and the mistakes they made, and what they went through. He said: "I don't know that. I would hope that I would be, just like I hope the fans would be."

SNIP--more wankery at link

http://www.sacbee.com/846/story/2108587.html


Great. Because Andy Reid can't deal with the two junkies who are his sons--who both got sweeeeeet deals for their crimes, the Iggles get Michael Vick.

Jebus Christ on a trailer hitch....

[greguganus]

156. From Falcons to Eagles, Vick is still a 'Dirty Bird'. n/t

[lost-in-nj]

16. not suprised

after watching ESPN today

I KNEW it was coming

lost

[loyalkydem]

19. there's something

about this that I like. The fact that so many people want to see him continue to surffer will never be enough. If Philly does very well this year its going to surprise a lot of people. Vick was a good quarterback from my understanding.

[sofa king]

20. I was really hoping he'd go back to Atlanta.

Not for any good reason, but because Virginia Tech is playing its first game against Alabama in the Georgia Dome, and signing Vick would effectively confer home-field advantage to my beloved Hokies.

As for the troubled past of the Vicks who have passed through Virginia Tech, I say, "Vick who? We've got Tyrod Taylor now!"

[SIMPLYB1980]

24. Good their had been rumours around here he was coming to Charlotte.

Sorry for any Philly fans.

[polichick]

27. Maybe he can redeem himself by working his ass off to get PA's puppy mills outlawed. nt

[Canuckistanian]

30. Well, then. Fuck Philly.

Not the city, of course. Just the football club.

[Rick Myers]

96. Phuck Philly!!!

Go Dawgs!!!

[Hutzpa]

32. Oh shit!

Redskins fans have a problem, so does Giants, Philly and Dallas.

bet Redskins are kicking themselves now because they had first
option but pass because they where too chicken shit.

[sofa king]

47. ...And another thing.

Don't mistake me for a Vick defender, but that guy at least did his time. Washington, DC, in the meantime, has the last pejorative name in professional football, and they're never going to give it up. So fuck them, too.

Edit: But if anyone wants to take me to a Washington game, I'll happily go, because it will give me a chance to show off my Fightin' Whites hoodie.

[FLDem09]

33. Damn him...

People like that waste of air are the reason my beloved bulldogs have such a bad reputation. Stupid owners like him have caused me not to be able to purchase home owners insurance unless I lie about/ hide my bully babies.

[babylonsister]

38. Please explain that. He tarnished the bulldogs' reputation? How so? nt

[FLDem09]

42. Bastards like him...

That use them for fighting promote the idea that they are vicious animals. I know alot of people who act terrified when they hear that my dogs are bullys. They automatically assume that hey are gonna chew someones face off or something. And IMO that's due to the reputation they've gotten as fight/catch dogs at the hands of monsters like Vick.

[babylonsister]

50. I think your anger is misplaced. Have you ever

googled pit bull and attack?

Over a million hits:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=pit+bull+attack+stories&aq=5&aqi=g-s1g2g-s1g4g-s2&fp=1d3438fbc28dc0ec

Having said that, here's one to cheer you up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6296327

[FLDem09]

62. I like the second one!!

My bulldog "attacked" my horse out of concern over my child's well being. The horse was rearing up between me and my daughter the dog who had been raised around horses for his whole life, saw this as an act of aggression towards my daughter and swooped in and caught him. By nature they are bred to "hang on" and the anatomy of his bite is what made the injury to the horse so bad, esp when the horse thrashed about with the dog still hanging to his leg. We also have a JackRussel terrier who has bitten more people and other animals than my bully ever has. And on any given day my bulldogs are just like the dog mentioned in the second link. Big slobberin' babies.

But when people like Vick intentionally use these dogs in such a horrible manner, it only furthers the misconceptions that people have about them. No bad dogs, just irresponsible owners.

BTW.. the horse healed just fine, thankfully.

[babylonsister]

67. He did his time. And if you think this has stopped in America,

I think you're wrong. Vick happened to be a big name they made an example of.

He's paid his dues and I'm glad he's getting on with his life.

What should he do? He was and is a football player. And a damned good one, or used to be.

[Name removed]

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[babylonsister]

79. Preach it! I haven't changed at all. What happened to forgiveness?

Why should people rot for doing something bad, because they did something bad? Especially when they've paid the price for their failure?

Your lack of compassion is telling. Maybe you should be preaching with the crazies.

[BlooInBloo]

84. Nothing is enough for certain people. It's just the way they are.

[akbacchus_BC]

85. Hello, how about you being so vociferous against puppy mills, they stink too!

[devilgrrl]

37. Cool. Now all the animal lovers who play D for the Giants, 'Skins and Cowboys can destroy him.

eom

[proteus_lives]

124. That's what I'm hoping for.

That some Man-Mountain will snap his fucking leg in half.

[BlooInBloo]

39. Solid management choice, actually. Philly fans rip their teams no matter WHAT they do.

:rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

41. I care. I like football. Vick got away with nothing and lost the most important years of his career.

Jailed for two years. He did his time.

EDIT: I see that you agree with my assessment.

[FLDem09]

48. I like football too...

But I love my Bulldogs better. I hope that Vick blows his effin' knees out for what he did.

[Buzz Clik]

51. So, two years in prison wasn't enough?

[BlooInBloo]

54. Nothing is enough for lots of Americans.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Oh boy.

I can imagine the local sports talk stations must be going nuts. :scared:

[Mad_Dem_X]

49. No f*cking way!!!!!!

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't want that monster on my team!!!!! :argh:

[Fire1]

69. I'm sure he'll lose lots of sleep over your rage.

:sarcasm:

[greguganus]

158. If enough fans rage and boycott, he will lose sleep over it. n/t

[Fire1]

160. "IF" is the operative word, indeed. n/t

[greguganus]

162. In my experience, animal lovers tend to be a very outspoken bunch, & I'm ready to do my part. n/t

[Fire1]

166. I'm an avid animal lover myself. I own three wonderful

companions and have done so through the years. I also have a stake in humanity, where I will do MY part.

[hyphenate]

55. Yeah

saw that. I also saw it was only two years. And that he plays so bad he won't be back. He'll get his full karma sometime soon, I hope, and serving time will only be the start of that, not the end result.

The one thing which makes me more angry is that there are so many others out there that keep harming animals and there is no punishment for most of them. And even worse, those who DO get punished, are only for very short durations. We need consistent laws, punishments and outcomes. I think that across the board this should be true, because state laws are so different that I could be let go for jaywalking in one state, and put in jail in another. If we can't get our shit together in all the parts of the country, some very wrong people will get the impression that they do as they please instead.

[RB TexLa]

56. The man served his sentence.

And of course anyone who wants is free to protest his employment.

[JayMusgrove]

66. Did the dogs "server their sentence"

You have a very twisted attitude about people who abuse animals........care to tell us why?

[RB TexLa]

71. I have an attitude about them that is in line with most people

but in our system you serve your sentence for a crime you are then allowed to seek employment.

[tranche]

106. The dogs are dead. Vick did serve his sentence however.

He should be allowed to try and live a productive life.

[Tarc]

57. I'm fine with that

He serves his sentence, paid his due. Time to move on.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

58. Good for him

Vick was a solid football player. I am glad he has a chance to get back in the game. It sucks that he lost all of his money, but I am hopeful that he can make the best of the few short years he has left in the nfl.

By the way, I could care less about the "crime" he committed. Personally, I think he should have been given a stiff fine. Jail time? Absurd!

[Kurska]

100. Torturing and murdering dogs isn't a crime? I hope you get mauled by a wild dog. n/t

[dorkulon]

59. Damn, I was hoping the Bills would get him.

I don't approve of animal cruelty, but Jumping Jesus do we need a QB.

[TiredOldMan]

60. Can't Believe It

They guy viciously tortured and killed animals for profit that he didn't even need.

He served his time so he is free to live his life, but I can't believe an NFL team was dumb enough to sign him. I believe (and hope) the backlash will be massive.

[verges]

63. I hope the Eagles lose every game.

I hope their attendence drops to virtually nothing.

[JayMusgrove]

64. Does Philly have a lot of stray dogs Michael will deal with

when he's not making $100,000 an hour?


As far as I am concerned, Philly no longer has a professional sports team......shame on that city.

Michael, as soon as you are in prison for the rest of your life....the better.

I hope no innocent victim, man or dog, dies before you are put away for good, Michael.

[babylonsister]

68. You are ridiculous and without compassion. For people. nt

[Solomon]

72. Got plenty for dogs though.

[BlooInBloo]

73. Totally! And Philadelphia is no longer a city! And Pennsylvania is no longer a state!

And the US is no longer a country!!!!!

Because I'm SOOOOOOOO compassionate about animals, THE EARTH IS NO LONGER A PLANET!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You people are hilarious.

[alcibiades_mystery]

94. Oy vey

You're a fucking clown.

[JonLP24]

70. I'm happy for him (Vick)

Glad to see he's back on he's feet. Tony Dungy is a great man to have as a mentor.

[flvegan]

74. I sure do hope with all my heart he doesn't get hurt on the field.

Or something.

[tranche]

107. Would you snicker and cheer if he was hurt on the field?

Or something.

[flvegan]

110. I doubt it.

But until it happens, I really can't be sure.

[demmiblue]

75. Karma... I hope.

Blah, blah , blah... jail time... blah, blah blah... served his sentence... blah, blah, blah.

I hope he suffers for what he has done.

[FarCenter]

77. The Eagles fans should like him; Until recently they had a holding cell and courtroom in the stadium

It's a fairly tough crowd.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

78. Good for him. He's still a piece of shit for doing that to those dogs.

He's served his time.. let Philly have him.

[SmileyRose]

81. He served his time, paid his fines

he deserves the chance to be legally employed with anyone who will hire him.


That said, I wasn't planning on rooting for the Eagles anyway and hope the people of Philly encourage him find a line of work that does not involve the hero worship of children.

[Orsino]

143. And never persuaded me that he regrets anything other than having been caught.

And certainly doesn't seem to have been treated for his love of animal torture.

He did his time, which was a great inconvenience to him, and paid his fines, which weren't, but I have seen nothing like remorse or atonement. Considering the depth of the solipsism implied by his complicity in animal torture, I don't understand why he is allowed to walk the streets--any more than I understand letting CIA/Blackwater/military torturers return to society.

[akbacchus_BC]

82. BSister, thanks for the post. Michael Virk did his time and if he gets

recruited again, then good for him. What he did with those dogs are despicable, thank goodness for Dogtown, they were able to rehabilitate the dogs and all have good owners. Do I forgive Virk, hell no! He should have known better. Accountability is very important, too often assholes get away with inhumane actions with no accountability!

[jeffrey_X]

83. Good for him.

eom

[tilsammans]

87. Fine. As a Giants fan . . .

. . . I have another big reason to root against the Eagles.

[babylonsister]

98. Heh. Me, too. nt

[LostInAnomie]

89. Lets hope he has a VERY short season.

[TexasObserver]

97. Let the Eaaaaa-gle Soarrrrrrrrr.

Mandatory homage to former Bush AG, John Asswipe.

[MilesColtrane]

99. I predict sales of Milkbones™ will skyrocket in the cities that host the Eagles this year.

He should be hounded at every opportunity. (pun intended)

[msanthrope]

131. Philly, too. n/t

[Kurska]

101. I hope his career is short and his injury painful.

Oh and would you people shut up about sympathy, if Michael Vick had done what he did to humans or any other sentient creature I'd wish ill on him aswell. As far as I'm concerned Michael Vick deserves no sympathy.

[Maru Kitteh]

104. That pretty much sums up my general feeling.

[Forkboy]

121. Where's L.T. and his leg breaking ways when we need him?

[cliffordu]

122. I hope the fans throw dog food at him

Still in the can.

[proteus_lives]

125. There is no legal reason to deny him another NFL career.

Hopefully a very short NFL career. I see a lot of very huge, very angry NFL players with beloved pets. I wouldn't deny him his job but I sincerely hope for crippling tackles, eye-gouges, tripping, lots of UR, refs "not seeing it", fans smearing his car in dog food and blood. I hope fans throw things at him and and he hears an entire stadium chanting, "VICK'S A PIECE OF SHIT!" and I hope to one day to see the youtube video of his brutal, career-ending injury.

He did his time but he deserves to be spit on everyday for the rest of his life.

[proteus_lives]

126. Dupe. Delete.

[Zavulon]

128. I don't care either way, but if I were the commish I would have suspended him for all of this year.

Regardless of the endless "he did his time" arguments, he still lied to the faces of the Falcons' owner and the NFL commissioner when initially asked about the whole dog scandal. The time he did was in response to a criminal conviction, not NFL-related misconduct.

[msanthrope]

129. Two words: Dante Stallworth.

Vick is getting the treatment he is because people actually want Dante Stallworth back, and it would be tough to justify keeping Vick out, but not Stallworth.

[babylonsister]

135. fyi, he killed a person. Big diff. He's also been benched for a year.

Is a year long enough for killing a person while drinking and driving?

http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/features/31716.html

NFL Suspends Donte Stallworth for the Season
14-Aug-2009
Written by: Lindsey Weedston

Receiver is punished for off-the-field misconduct.

Cleveland Browns receiver Donte Stallworth has been suspended without pay for one year after pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter.

According to the Washington Times, the player struck and killed a pedestrian with his car on March 14. On June 16 he was sentenced to 30 days in jail, two years of house arrest, and eight years probation.

N.F.L. Commissioner Roger Goodell officially suspended Stallworth, telling him in a letter that "The N.F.L. and N.F.L. players must live with the stain that you have placed on their reputations." The New York Times wrote that Stallworth may not participate in any team activities during the 2009 season.

The Kansas City Star reported that the receiver has expressed remorse for his actions. He said in a statement that “I urge N.F.L. fans not to judge N.F.L. players or me based on my tragic lapse in judgment. I am a good person who did a bad thing.”

Stallworth will be allowed to rejoin the team after the 2010 Super Bowl.

[Zavulon]

179. Well,

if I were the commish I'd have banned Stallworth and Leonard Little for life. I think lying to the faces of a team owner and the league commish is worth a year's suspension, and killing someone while under the influence should (in my view) be a lifetime ban from the league (I'd go with life in prison as well).

[greguganus]

153. Phuck Philly. n/t

[Sewsojm]

171. I hope Philly goes 0 - 16,

I'd love to see Vick get his head ripped off as well.

[Union Yes]

159. Vick kidnapped family pets and fed to his pit bulls to increase their ferocity.

[Ignis]

173. Pshaw! Who needs inconvenient facts like that?

We just KNOW in our heart of hearts that Mr. Vick is completely reformed.

I'm sure if he were to electrocute another dog, he'd be SORRY while he did it.

So, you know, problem solved!

[greguganus]

177. Isn't it amazing how $7 million over a 2-year period can make you remorseful?

I'm in the process of boycotting/emailing sponsors of the Eagles. Just told Verizon I will be canceling my 2 phone accounts if I see their ads during Eagles games.

[Ignis]

181. Good for you.

I'm not calling for a legal change that would restrict Vick from playing, but I'm certainly going to vote with my dollars.

:hi:

[grantcart]

178. this thread reads like something from freeperville

I hope that he has learned something and that he can have a productive life.


I especially like that the SCPA has reached out to Vick to try and work together


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/19/vick.humane.society/index.html