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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:03 PM
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The real reason for their anger
The type and extent of the anger and rage we are seeing at the health care town halls are of a unique nature and NOT typical political reactions. No these decent Americans are being horribly manipulated by the GOP on behalf of the big money interests that we all know are really running things in this country.

The big reason for their anger however is deep-seated anxiety driven Fear. Interestingly this fear is not due to anxiety over the healthcare or even the broader agenda of the Obama administration and the Democrats. We are being led to believe this but it’s not the case. At the base level these people are afraid and anxious about their own individual futures, and that fear in turn is being played upon and redirected into rage aimed at the folks in America who want a single payer health care system administered by the US Government, or anything Obama else that wants for America.

Look closely and you see a very large number of older white men and women in these meetings who are agitated to the point of apoplexy. Over an above their reactions to feeling largely marginalized due to the changes they see taking place all around them, I think they are afraid and angry because their lives have not ended up the way they believed they would or should have. Now they are mad as hell and are confused as to what to do with all the rage and resulting frustration. They are in fact out of options. The last thing they seem willing to do is look at themselves in the mirror and take responsibility for the state of their own lives or work with others for positive change. So they look outwards for ready-made villains, and the GOP and their minders are only too happy to oblige. The GOP and the wealthy power base that controls it (and much of the Democratic party) have made trillions of dollars over the years by exploiting just this type of anger and frustration. They have done it by redirecting peoples fear with the use of lies and fear mongering.

I’d bet for example you do not see wealthy Americans in these crowds creating all the disturbances, or for that matter even in attendance in substantial or representative numbers. That's because they are not profoundly unhappy with their station in life, and hence are not as exploitable. But the rabble who are jumping into the anger mosh pits are out of options. Their good paying jobs got outsourced, if they can find work they are earnings a fraction of the value of their labor, their houses are over leveraged and their home values have cratered, their savings and investments have been devastated and their retirement accounts have been savaged by wall street piranha, and largely pilfered by the very same masters they swore allegiance to and toiled for. The future for too many of these people is very bleak indeed.

I am reminded of the line from the David Lynch movie “DUNE”, where the hero is wrestling with a difficult dilemma and recites to himself “Fear is the mind killer”. True words. But fear manipulated by powerful people can be a nation killer.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:05 PM
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1. I respectfully disagree.
The reason they're angry is because a black man is the President of the United States of America.

Nothing more, nothing less. This is pure, unadulterated racism.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:07 PM
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2. It's obvious. Everyone knows it. Some lie and deny it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:20 PM
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12. To reduce this reaction to mere racism says more about those who do it. It's so easy to just
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:21 PM by KittyWampus
wrap these people up in a package and call them racist.

This proves even liberals like to demonize people.

No, it's a lot more than that.

They'd be doing this shit if Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden were President.

And you know it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:25 PM
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16. Believe me, I can appreciate how Clinton people want to convince ppl this isn't racism.
:rofl:
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Dramarama Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:27 PM
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18. True
Didn't it happen to Bill?
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:08 PM
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3. I get that too but
what we are seeing at the town halls is way too strong to be only race based anger - imo - something more profound and deep seated is going on..
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:09 PM
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5. Yes
They're not complex enough to think beyond that.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:13 PM
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8. I think you're right
I wish it wasn't true but
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:17 PM
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9. These fuckers have been around since reconstruction, only
to see their worst nightmare come true with the election of Obama.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:18 PM
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10. You might be literally correct about John McCain
:rofl:
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memphisheel Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:22 PM
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13. Bingo
Drop a little truth serum on these reich-wingers, and you'll get the source of their rage explained in four words: "They elected a n****r."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:08 PM
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4. This sounds pretty on point to me.. The racism adds to it too.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:09 PM by annabanana
Not only is their world seeming to spin out of control, someone who is "not like them" is in front of them as a symbol of the control they've lost and, (like Bart Simpson said) "It broke their brains".
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:11 PM
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7. I left the race issues out on purpose
But it does indeed play a role, just not the dominant role imo.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:26 PM
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17. Of course you did.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:10 PM
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6. And on top of all that...
There's this Black guy in the Whitehouse.

But yes, I agree, it's a bit more complicated than pure racism.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:20 PM
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11. If they were only intelligent enough to realize that they have an option to educate themselves.
And then recognize that what and who they've been supporting are what have put them in their no-options-left position.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:22 PM
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14. They're bigots and they should cut their wrists in a hot tub !
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:24 PM
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15. ok that's just wrong
eom :)
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:28 PM
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19. You can cut them all the slack you want. Unless you've seen hate like that personally you wouldn't
know.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:39 PM
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20. I feel it is strictly partisian.....
If it were Hillary we would be seeing the same uprise!
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:43 PM
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21. Generational racism + contracting economy + vulnerable old age
It's the trifecta.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:53 PM
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22. Fear is what feeds their anger, I submit guilt is what might be driving their desperation.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:55 PM by jotsy
I'm the type to engage in a good bit of speculation and conjecture, try my best not to judge or conclude, so remember when I say this I'm kind of thinking out loud, I'm really concerned my observation is going to ruffle some feathers, but I'm hard pressed to find another reason for the apparent depth of their fear.

I've entertained the notion that some of these simps fear a taste of the kind of oppression their ancestors dished out. That somehow it could or should come back on them speaks volumes of their inability to look forward in any way. That's sad.

I'm sorry if I didn't say that as well as I hope someone else that can will come along and try.

:shrug:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:54 PM
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28. we have a winner!!!
what we are seeing is fear of retribution.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:21 PM
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23. Compassion for uneducated, misinformed and disenfranchised people
would certainly help curtail the divisive manipulations of the RW media. These people are truly afraid, and they do not know who to be angry at. They do not see the big picture, only the small incremental violent images and ideas implanted in their consciousness day by day, has caused their collective meltdown. And now these people are being fed impressions that they are not alone, the media personalities are 'on their side.' How insidious.

What really bothers me to no end is that the mainstream media can just as easily calm down a populace, and diffuse most of this craziness, and they are not doing what they need to do. Media can be used to inform people, calmly, (Where's Walter Cronkite when you need him?).

There is not just 'one cause' for these mob meltdowns, but a concerted and extremely irresponsible if not treasonous effort by corporate sponsored media to take full advantage of these unstable times and cause the most vulnerable people to become paranoid and delusional.

Of course there is racism, no doubt most of these white folks are not from diverse communities, and overt racism needs to be called out as such and dealt with. The other factors, however, absolutely need to be addressed as well.

This is a prime example of mob mentality, corporate mentality is mob mentality--what people would never do individually they will do in groups, the bigger the group, the more they can blend in. Ethics can easily disappear when you are a cog in an enormous wheel, especially when they print paychecks. We have to dissolve these big corporations because they are committing endless countless crimes against our nation and the Earth.

The population is growing, the ratio of extremists may actually be the same but the numbers of them have also grown. In my opinion one key to a stable future is to break down the corporations. They are harming everyone, and creating a dangerous place for us to live on all accounts.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:59 AM
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24. Very thoughtful response. And I'd like to underline your point about how media can help diffuse this
but they deliberately choose not to.
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sweetpotato Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:11 AM
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25. They are afraid that all that they are entitled to will be taken away and given to a brown person
Mix the two - fear of their future and racism.

They are afraid that all that they have worked so hard for all their lives will be taken away from them by that black man in the white house and redistributed to people who do not look like them and are not as deserving as they are. They don't want their hard earned money going to some lazy brown person who is cranking out babies to earn more welfare.

They are afraid that the brown people will seek retribution - not only their fair share of the wealth of the country. They are afraid that when the brown people are the majority in this country, that white people will be treated just as badly as white people have treated brown people and this SCARES THEM TO DEATH. Mostly because they know deep in their hearts that the hate they have for their fellow man is wrong and the actions that grew out of that hate were wrong.

They don't want to be lynched by an angry mob seeking retribution for past crimes against a portion of humanity committed by people with white skin.

They don't want the brown people to treat THEM like brown people. They fear a loss of their white privilege and that "political correctness" will be necessary if you don't want to get beat up or lynched.

They are listening to Rush and Beck.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:57 PM
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29. excellent post...wish i could recommend
fear of retribution is certainly a driving force among these "protestors." so is a sense of entitlement because they see themselves as the "real americans," and they believe they are deserving (and others aren't). hence the birther nonsense...they truly don't believe black people are *really* citizens of america.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:12 AM
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26. Fear isn't the only thing driving this. There is also a big dose of hatred
of "the other". Of course the unscrupulous tap into that fear and hatred for their own purposes. Rush/Bill/Sean have made careers out of it.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:39 AM
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27. You forgot RACISM.
They are going apoplectic because a "n***er" is in the White House.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:12 PM
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30. Actually these are NOT "decent Americans"
These are stupid fucking assholes who think "I got mine so screw you".

Fuck them. They can all stop using Medicare and die for all I care.

Stupid morons who believe ANYTHING the right wing tells them.
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