So, since the GOP is in it's last death throes...what do you think will replace it?

[xultar]

Why do I think the GOP is dying?

Doode, have you seen those idiot fuckers? They are bat shit crazy. The genie is out of the fucking bottle for all the world to see. The base that Rove used to push GWB into office in 2004 has revealed itself. Apparently the GOP was able to keep these crazy fuckers locked in the attic with some balls of aluminum foil to keep them busy only throwing out red meat to coax them in to vote every 4 years.

But some how, Dick Army and his ignorant ass friends managed to get around the wizard of oz and opened the door and they escaped. Me thinks Rove was too busy with his own problems to pay attention...you know Conyers up in his ass and all.

ANYWAZE... the full-tilt-boogie crazy bat shit fuckers have managed to get themselves plastered all over the news every night for the past month. No doubt educated republicans (yeah I know oxymoron) are horrified to see their attic kin roaming the streets for all the world to see. So, right now in basements everywhere they are getting together by candlelight next to their bomb shelters and weapon cache rooms wondering WTF to do. 1/2 of the group wants to join in with their formerly attic bound kin, the other 1/2 wants to tip toe out of the fray, delcare that they are independent and whistle past the graveyard. And there you have it...the last battle and the beast is dead.

There is no way the GOP can survive this. It can't. It's gone too fucking far, yes there will be a zombie period where the corpse will roam on without soul or spirit until another conservative party puts a well placed shot to the fuckers head. I mean for fucking real people...can you imagine the footage Dems can use for campaign ads in 2010?

We've got GOLD in them there footage people!
We've got birther congress critters hunch back running from a camera while professing that Obama isn't a US citizen.
We've got Michelle Malkin
We've got Ann Coulter saying Michelle Malkin is bonkers
We've got Glenn Beck
We've got the deathers, birthers, and astroturfers
We've got Sarah Palin
We've got Michelle Bachman
We've got bouncing Limpballs
We've got Uncle Pat giving Sarah Palin blow jobs
We've got Newt
We've got Norm Coleman
We've got Dick Cheney
We've got Peelin Taters
We've got Sanford
We've got Ensign
We've got Blackwater


We've got enough shit for ads to take us into a 100 year Democratic dominated government. I mean your shit isn't just broke it's FUBAR if Santorum thinks he can run for president.

I was skeptical at first but these fuckers just kept tying ropes to lamp posts and then around their necks and jumping off bridges at every turn. It's the gift that keeps on fucking giving...

I hope I'm not dreaming people but the death of the GOP is happening in our lifetime.


P.S. yes, my grammar sucks. I know that shit.

[dflprincess]

1. The DLC and the Blue Dogs?

Once upon a time most those jerks would have been members of the Republican party.

[BlooInBloo]

2. They're not dying.

[xultar]

7. It sure feels like it and I swear I never believe that shit.

[Orsino]

63. It's just a swing of the pendulum...

...which will swing back the other way if we don't force our Dems to deliver.

[Codeine]

3. Mr. Pedantic says: "throes." nt

[xultar]

5. thank youl, trying to type undercover in the office.

[Codeine]

6. Ninja Posting.

We've all been there! ;)

[redqueen]

8. Is it really pedantic?

I mean we see people here mocking spelling / grammar / usage mistakes from other boards all the time... so it seems more helpful than pedantic to me.

I have been called a nazi, elitist, etc. for doing stuff like that though. Some people get reeeeeeeally pissed off, and call it a 'flame'.

[xultar]

13. Well feel free to let me know. I don't wanna be a moran.

[redqueen]

31. I almost did!

But I was wondering whether or not to say anything... thankfully Codeine got here first.

[goclark]

53. xultar you are the greatest! I would always want you on my side

I sure would like to see you in one of those Health Forum with these Clowns.

It would be a five star event ~

Rove/Rush said to " Send In the Clowns" and they are now at the circus.


: )

[LAGC]

67. Okay, its morOn, not morAn. (n/t)

[Codeine]

15. If I acknowledge that it's a little nit-picky

people will realize I'm not being a jerk about correcting them. At least, that's what I hope! ;)

[redqueen]

28. Yeah... I'm going to try that.

All 'polite' gets me is reamed from hell to breakfast.

[BlooInBloo]

62. Nah. It's mostly illiterates who say it is, fighting for their right to be stupid.

[Codeine]

4. In ten years they'll be back and strong.

Politics is cyclical, and they're at a low point right now. It happens. It's not permanent.

[NeedleCast]

20. This

[greguganus]

9. the NRA? n/t

[lapfog_1]

10. As with most empires that die...

civil war, followed by invasion of the outsiders and former vassals.

We will likely be lucky in that we will probably only will have the civil war. (maybe we let the south win this time)

Ok, I kid... I kid. or maybe not.

[Nitrogenica]

11. I completely agree, I think they're losing hearts and minds.

They are completely detached from reality in a world of tired old straw man arguments and freshly minted lunatic straw man arguments that they angrily knock down, as if they were 100% accurate.

They're not fooling anyone but themselves, the are the minority outrage-focused 19%-ers.

It is UGLY that grown adults act like that, just because some of their fellow Americans disagree with them on issues.

[robinlynne]

12. I wish I could agree. In 2000, as I watched the Supreme Court on tv breaking the law

blatantly, I thought this is it. The people will rise up now. Americans won't take this crap. NO way this is going to be integrated in to our history. In 2004, I was SURE. People still don't even care about election fraud. And, it all comes down to election fraud in the end. I'll explain. This morning I read an OP on Du where Claire McCatskill says "COngress will NEVER pass single-payer." My personal reaction was: So fire congress. That means elections. CAn we? No. We have Rahm Emanuel to fight, becuase he will fight to the death to put blue dogs in, as opposed to progressives. (He representing the DCCC and DLC, and whatever other Ds there are out there.) Then we have the campaigns, the dirty money. self-explanatory. then, if you look at a chart, diebold is tabulating around half of our votes. Es&S, and the tohers right behind.
So the system currently in place makes the change you (and I) propose impossible.
The right has been doing this for years, even worse during the Bush Reign of Terror.
I'll stop now.

[mdmc]

25. that is the way it is

:(

The GOP ain't goin nowhere

[redqueen]

14. I hope you're right...

but I live around a bunch of people who think Sarah Palin would make a great President... so pardon me if I don't seem quite so optimistic. :P

[xultar]

16. You ought to be running through the streets neekid with sparklers in all your holes.

I hope Palin runs.

[redqueen]

24. !

:spray:

OMG I love you so hard. :loveya:

[xultar]

30. backatcha bebbeh

[zbdent]

17. remember, in November 2002, the Democratic party was declared dead ...

and that the body just didn't know it yet.

However, the Democratic Party didn't have the lightning storm which is the "liberal media", like the GOP has ...

Until Katrina, George W. Bush could not do anything which would get the "liberal media" to tarnish the "Commander-in-Chief's" image ... at that point, it was far too big and far too good of footage to the ratings that they could no longer get enough polish to make the turd look good.

[xultar]

23. Ahh yeah but we didn't go fucking crazy. Way different situation. WAY WAY different.

[zbdent]

73. no, we didn't go absolutely f*cking crazy ...

but we were portrayed as such ...

One guy gets an uninformed and inaccurate question to Obama, and he's suddenly got a media job ... Joe da dumber ...

[Initech]

18. The scary thing is I think we're going to see an even crazier group of conservatives rise.

Think we've seen the last of the morans? Think again - there will always be the batshit insane side of politics. And if evolution has taught me anything it's that we're going to see a group that makes this one look like nothing by comparison rise up. And when that happens... :yoiks:

[xultar]

27. That is my biggest fear. But doesn't mean there will be more of them than non crazies.

[Initech]

56. It's not that there will be more of them.

They'll just make the crazy ones now look sane by comparison. The fundies aren't going away any time soon is what I'm getting at.

[xultar]

57. Oh true dat. It'll take a fireworks display to trick them into a location where we can

lock them up...

you know, zombies are memorized by fireworks.

[Initech]

60. If "Evil Dead" has taught me anything, it's how to prepare for the zombie apocalypse.

:rofl:

[NeedleCast]

19. Sorry to Burst your Bubble

This is not the end of the GOP.

The media was saying the same thing about the Democratic party for years. Everyone speculating on what the new party would look like and along what lines it would fracture.

Except, by and in large, it didn't.

[xultar]

22. Ahhh but we didn't go bat shit crazy. HUGE fucking difference. No bubble busted.

Death threats
Ripping up posters of Rosa Parks
Being presented with evidence of the truth and still believing the lie

Seriously this shit is WAY fucking different.

[mdmc]

21. The GOP will still hold true to the corporations

just as the DLC and the Blue Dogs will. "They ain't goin nowhere."

[burning rain]

26. The GOP won't die.

It has too much infrastructure and too much money behind it for that to happen. Also, crucially, elections in the US are heavily stacked against third parties: we have single mandate districts and reject proportional representation. The GOP has thoroughly discredited its brand of fiscal reponsibility and has stained itself with demagogy and warmongering, but it'll hold together though I doubt they'll do any serious reevaluations until after they lose the 2012 presidential election. Our job is to post some solid victories such as on healthcare so that we're doing the right thing -- and because it keeps our voters enthusiastic and makes it less likely that the GOP will be able to capitalize on a backlash where their voters are pumped up and pissed off, and ours are unenthusiastic, as in 1994.

[LeftHander]

29. they will remain, smaller, marginal and crazy...nt

[xultar]

32. AKA Zombie mode.

[Jakes Progress]

33. Stop believing the media.

The republican party ain't going away.

No more than was the Democratic party six years ago when everyone wondered what would take the place of the Democrats.

If you think no one likes republicans anymore, good for you. You live around a bunch of Democrats. Many of us aren't that lucky. There is not a shortage of people who are stupid, greedy, and mean. Add scared and you have the fort cornerstones of the republican party.

[xultar]

35. Who is believing the media? The MSM isn't saying this. And....

we didn't go fucking nutso like the GOP assholes are doing.
This shit is way fucking different.

I mean be for real...you'll need to try better.

NEXT...

[Jakes Progress]

70. Gosh. You really like writing nasty don't you?

How do you know the republicans are going nuts? Where did you get the idea that they were imploding?

Of course you didn't see it on television or read it in a newspaper because you say you didn't get it from the media.

So I guess you got it here. Of course DU would be a really reliable source of objective information about the republican party.

And then there is your cogent and so very perceptive dissection of my post. I mean you really got me with the logic and hard hitting "I mean be for real...." Boy that really hit me hard.

Don't take every post that doesn't tell you how really super cool you are as an attack. Try thinking before you post. Try beefing up your vocabulary. Try using gutter language sparingly. It is more effective that way and you come off as less of an oaf. My guess is that you have been taking your posting cues from some of the other keyboard warriors here. Expand your horizon.

And again. republicans aren't going anywhere. They will still be stupid and nasty. They will continue to suck at the corporate teat which will make them rich enough to keep doing the stuff they have been doing for the last several decades. Anyone who has any knowledge of history or politics knows they aren't gone. They will be a formidable foe in the next presidential election. Hopin' and Wishin' won't change that.

Now you can try to do better. Last......

[Saboburns]

34. I do believe you read James Lee Burke

"Full tilt boogie crazy"

Love it

[jannyk]

36. The Raving Loony Party? Oh wait.....I think that's

...already been done.

http://www.omrlp.com/

Home of the British Raving Loony Party, established in 1963 by Screaming Lord Sutch and yes Dorothy, they do run candidates in elections.

[Richard D]

37. Hopefully nothing will replace it.

It'll just die a slow and painful death.

[PatSeg]

38. What amazes me is

they keep getting worse. I had thought they would back off for a while and regroup and reorganize, but years of unfettered power evidently warped their little minds, and they just can't help themselves.

AND the list of unleashed crazy keeps growing daily. Imagine what your list will look like by 2010.

[xultar]

49. That's why I don't get people saying the Dems were like that in 2006.

We weren't like the GOP ignorant fuckers.

[PatSeg]

52. Not at all

The Dems tend to get a bit dazed and confused after being run over by a truck, but being Dems they are capable of change. Republicans are always looking backwards trying to recapture past victories with the same old tactics. They just can't accept that catering to the religious right and other extremists has backfired. Yes, they "can fool SOME of the people ALL the time", but unfortunately for them, that isn't enough to hold on to power.

Be careful what you wish for?

[silverback]

39. Every once in a while...

Some have madea solid argument that it occurs roughly once in a long human lifespan, something big occurs, it's been called the fourth turning, or Kondratiev winter, but it doesn't matter if you buy into cycle theory or not, or what you call it, every so often dramatic things happen, and they tend to happen in groups. Economic upheaval, radical reform, wars, and political realignment.

I think it's very possible our politics could completely realign themselves over the next twenty years or so, and nothing recognizable as the Republican party of today will survive. These aren't ordinary times, and the Reps really are shattered, they threw too many people under the short bus W drove off the cliff, even among the 19%ers there are two factions emerging who HATE each other, they're the extreme ends of the R spectrum, the libertarian/small government capitalists on one side and the social/religious neoconservative bigots on the other, most everyone else has been driven off, and they'll never truly be allies again, the events of the last decade have driven a wedge too deep.

They may get together on election day from time to time, but they'll never get both groups to turn out for the same ticket with any enthusiasm, their coalition is broken, corporate money will make them dangerous but it won't buy votes, R voters don't work that way, Republicans buy politicians, politicians don't buy Republicans.

They're going to go down spectacularly though if they do, it'll be ugly, probably even bloody. If they lose seats in '10 all hell is going to break loose,those factions will go to war with each other and the world, things will probably muddle along until then with a moderate but increasing level of panic and desperation.

The mainstream right as represented by their mouthpieces is delusional, they think they're winning back the middle, just as they did with McCain they'll convince themselves that despite all the evidence to the contrary they'll overcome the "liberal media conspiracy" to depress their votes and then when they don't they'll convince themselves they were cheated. Very few of them will question anything deeper than tactics, they still haven't been able to admit they've made any deeper mistakes this cycle, it was McCains fault for not attacking Obama viciously enough.

[redqueen]

43. Love this post.

I hope you're right about the fourth cycle. Goodness knows we need it.

[Kaleko]

65. Very astute observations.

Welcome to DU, silverback.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

72. This post deserves it's own thread. A very good perspective.

[intaglio]

40. Let's just hope that the successors are not like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNMVMNmrqJE

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. First mistake, assuming they are dead

while the parallels to the WHIG party are strong... and I suspect they will die... a 100 year dominance by the Dems is not in the cards.

Now what will replace them? My view, the DLC will split from the DNC and join their moderate conservatives creating a new party... and yes, like the GOP it may capture the WH before you even think possible.

[Jakes Progress]

75. A much more likely outcome

than the the other slices of pie that are suggested.

I even think it likely that we won't see the DLC split from the DNC, but the DNC guard will feel more and more alienated by the DLC which has the stranglehold on the Democratic party the way the neocons grabbed the republican party. I could see a more progressive party emerge, while as you said the DLC and so-called moderate republicans take over the new right of the Democratic party.

[dorkulon]

42. Confederacy? nt

[newtothegame]

44. They'll be fine. n/t

[Xzanther]

45. Nice choice of words

I couldn't of said it better myself.. but I think they will be replaced by monkeys... then we might have actually start having a more civil debate... poo flinging is not racist bantering.

[sofa king]

46. I don't think they're dying, either.

But if they do, I can guarantee that there will be one political offshoot comprising at least 23% of all Americans that bases its platform on militarism, nationalism, racism, and evangelical Christianity, and those 23% will in turn be controlled by a significant pool of those prone to exploiting such people. That's what makes this group so attractive to politicians--the guaranteed payoff of an entire herd of poltroons who do exactly what you tell them to do and think exactly what you tell them to think, no matter how stupid the message.

That's also why the Republican Party will never drop those poltroons, and why the Republican Party may be in danger of falling into temporary irrelevance, but they will never be in danger of disintegrating entirely.

Unless we can find a way to make life less fearful for the right-wing authoritarians so that they can concentrate on their own lives instead of what they fear may end their lives, they will never go away, and they will never change their core stupidities. The eventual homogenization of the United States will slowly make the numbers of white RWAs drop, so eventually they will be come irrelevant at the ballot box. But they will always be dangerous when they are frightened--and they are always frightened.

[Echo In Light]

50. Precisely. Whatever party name they take up, it's still that diehard 20% authoritarian faction

And since their personal beliefs are exploited and intertwined w/VERY affluent and powerful orgs, biz and institutes, they'll always appear to be a greater % than what they actually are.

[tj2001]

47. The White Patriot Party

is what it looks like

[xultar]

55. My worst fear. Palin @ it's head but she'll never be president.

[Lex]

48. The party of William F. Buckley and George Will! LULZ.

The shithouse rat crazies have taken over the PR for the Republican Party.

[Jim Lane]

51. What do the Republicans have going for them? The Democrats.

I'm with the "Politics is cyclical" camp.

In 1972, I was an undergrad in a liberal college town in Massachusetts. Everyone I knew had voted for McGovern. The day after the election, we were utterly crushed.

One of my professors started class that Wednesday by telling us about 1964 -- how people had been asking if the Republican Party would ever elect a President again.

Fact: The Republican Party today is in better shape than it was after Goldwater lost.
Fact: In both 1968 and 1976, the party that had gotten clobbered four years earlier won the presidency.

In 1968 and 1976, the electorate was pissed off about something (Vietnam, Watergate) and decided it was time for a change. To a great extent, people don't vote for, they vote against. At some point in the next several years, unhappiness about something or other will build, and the Democrats, being the party in charge, will be blamed. (They might even deserve it. They might not.)

It would be great if the 2016 presidential election were contested between the Democrats on the right and the Greens on the left, but that isn't going to happen. Instead of exulting about the alleged death of the Republican Party, we should take note of how they acted in 2001 through 2006, when they had the White House and both houses of Congress -- they pressed hard and got through a lot of their agenda. That's what we should be doing. Let's make hay while the sun shines. Believe me, it will be raining again before you know it.

[xultar]

54. That is some truth.

[B Calm]

58. They'll be replaced by the Libertarian Party

[LAGC]

68. God willing!

Now THEY I could live with. At least with their economic conservative madness they won't trample our civil liberties while they are at it.

[paulsby]

59. dumbest meme ever... seriously

do people NEVER learn from history? for fuck's sake, it wasn't too long ago that gop hopefuls were making the same type of statements about democrats.

there is an old statement "pride goeth before a fall". it's so true.

if we believe the GOP is dead, that is absurd, ahistorical, wishful thinking. look at history. heck, look at the economic analogies where countless times (not just 1929 crash) people claimed the stock market was "over" or the US economy was over. never happened. people who think this arrogantly and this ahistorically will deserve their shock and dismay when they help facilitate the resurgence of the GOP by minimizing them and claiming they are "over". few things are more empowering in sports (and politics) than being underestimated by your opponents

it is mind-numbingly stupid and arrogant.

[Jakes Progress]

76. I work with some that haven't learned.

But most of them haven't been around all that long. They believe that three years of campaign work or even going back to Dean makes them grizzled veterans. I think the euphoria of winning is a little too heady.

Saw in after nixon we tossed nixon out too. The republicans were dead. The republicans were history. Then they came back with ronnie raygun. Yep. The republicans are too rich to die. And whatever they come back as will be worse than they are now. From eisenhower to nixon to reagan to bush to......"What rude beast, it's hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem, waiting to be born."

[leftofthedial]

61. The neo-liberal "Democrats" (DLC, blue dogs) already have replaced it.

[B Calm]

71. Their new name now is BLUE CROSS DEMOCRATS!

[struggle4progress]

64. Hmmm. They've been batshit crazy as long as I can remember. And from what I've heard, they were

batshit crazy even before I can remember

It would be nice if progressives decisively squashed the dead-ender conservatives like political bedbugs -- but mere jabber won't have that effect: we really have to organize 24-7 to push our political vision and to bring our political agenda to town councils and state houses and the halls of Congress; we have to jingle the phones and stuff the envelopes between elections for the laws we want; we need to meet the ordinary or uniformed Joe Blow and Jane Blow and listen to them and talk to them and bring them over to our side, without sneering at them

[Lagomorph]

66. None of it will matter if...

...people are out of work and out of money.

He could have a hell of a time if certain people point out that Obama voted for all the programs they are now saying led the country down the tubes. He also has the largest one year deficit ever.

None of this was Obama's fault, but whatever happens on his watch will stick to him in 2012, if it isn't dead and buried by then.

Many people vote based off sound bytes and headlines.

[quaker bill]

74. at some point

they simply cease being newsworthy as a political entity. They are only worthy of coverage now for purposes of gawking at what was once the party in power, in the same manner that major traffic accidents also lead the news coverage.

The teabaggers seem to think (if one can call it thought) that all they lost was an election. Fortunately for all of us, the lost election is but a symptom of the true loss. What was actually lost was the credibility of their entire ideology as a political force capable of winning elections and running the country. It will actually take them losing a few more elections to figure this out. It will take losing even more elections for them to come up with something new that begins to work. Beyond this it will take time for the millions who have abandoned and are still abandoning the republican party daily to "age out" of the voting population.

They called "wolf" once too often, the majority is no longer afraid of "liberals".

Of course, by the time this happens, demographics indicate that the country will be a much more diverse place. The republican party as it exists today, will not return. There may be a republican party in the future, but it will not rise to power again until and unless it is a very different thing than that which we know and see today.

[Lagomorph]

78. Think about Zombies...

...ya kill 'em and kill 'em, but they always come back, more than ever. Zombies have become a metaphor for social engagement.

Politics is like that. It's about ideas. People die, ideas don't. The founding fathers were a bunch of dangerous radicals.

[Barack_America]

69. The "Confederate Party". nt

[deaniac21]

77. It's totally mind bottling.

[Doctor_J]

79. Death throes?

How is life in the great state of denial?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6297774