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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:17 PM
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Some Interesting Observations on the Life and Thoughts of Sibel Edmonds
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 05:08 PM by Time for change
Sibel Edmonds inspires a sense of awe and fascination among a certain segment of the American people who are hungry for truth and sick and tired of their countrys efforts to withhold vital information from us with the old state secrets excuses.


Early life

Her early life offers clues to how she ended up in her current situation. She was born in Iran in 1970, and then moved back and forth between Iran and Turkey for the first 18 years of her life, spending approximately equal time in both countries, before coming to the United States in 1988 as a student.

One of her most terrifying memories is of an incident that occurred in Iran when she was 11 years old. She was waiting in her fathers car as he went into a restaurant to get some food, when members of Irans Revolutionary Guard surrounded the car and told her that they would take her to jail because her headscarf was insufficiently modest. Her father, a surgeon who did pro bono work in the slums of Tehran and was well known for his liberal and secular opinions, showed them his ID and threatened revenge if they took his daughter to jail. The Guards let Sibel go, and shortly after that her family fled to Turkey, where she stayed until 1988. She later said:

The day the Iranians tried to arrest me, my father told me, Sibel, you only live your life once. How do you choose to live? According to your principles, or in fear? I have never forgotten those words.

At age 17 she wrote a high school essay criticizing Turkish censorship laws. The high school principal was outraged over the essay and asked her father to get her to retract it. He refused. The incident became somewhat of a scandal, especially since Sibels uncle was the mayor of Istanbul.

She refers to that incident as the last straw, which incited her to come to the United States, where she enrolled in a Maryland college. She eventually received bachelor degrees in criminal justice and psychology and worked with juvenile offenders.


Whistleblower

She began working for the FBI as a translator just a few days after the September 11 attacks. In early 2002 she was fired from the FBI after reporting her various concerns about malfeasance on the part of some of her FBI colleagues. She became nationally well known after appearing on 60 Minutes in 2004, where she voiced many of the concerns for which she believed she was fired. Shortly after her 60 minutes appearance she was hit with a gag order from Attorney General John Ashcroft, who cited national security reasons.

She later provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission with regard to numerous issues which she believed related to national security failures associated with the 9/11 attacks on our country. However, believing that the 9/11 Commission Report, released on July 22, 2004, omitted a good deal of crucial information about which she testified, on August 1, 2004 she wrote a letter to 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean. She began:

Dear Chairman Kean.

Unfortunately, I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations.

I, Sibel Edmonds, a concerned American Citizen, a former FBI translator, a whistleblower, a witness for a United States Congressional investigation, a witness for your own 9/11 Commission investigation, request your answers to, and your public acknowledgement of, the following questions and issues:

Excerpts from that letter demonstrate some of the most important allegations for which Sibel Edmonds is now so well known:

FBI told translators to slow down

After the terrorist attacks of September 11 we, the translators at the FBIs largest and most important translation unit, were told to slow down, even stop, translation of critical information related to terrorist activities hundreds of translators were being told by their administrative supervisors not to translate and to let the work pile up

Allegations against Melek Can Dickerson
Edmonds had a strange encounter (See section The Fateful Visit) with a Turkish woman FBI colleague of hers, Melek Can (now Jan) Dickerson, and her husband Douglass in December 2001. The conversation took place mainly between Douglass and Sibels husband, Matthew Edmonds. The upshot of that meeting was that Douglass offered to arrange for Matthew to be accepted into an elite Turkish organization in return for Sibel turning over state secrets to that organization for which the Edmonds would be lavishly compensated. Sibels letter to Chairman Kean bears on that issue:

Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish Translator, was hired by the FBI after September 11, and was placed in charge of translating the most sensitive information related to terrorists and criminals under the Bureaus investigation. Melek Can Dickerson used to work for semi-legit organizations that were the FBIs targets of investigation. Melek Can Dickerson had on-going relationships with two individuals who were FBIs targets of investigation. For months Melek Can Dickerson blocked all-important information related to these semi-legit organizations and the individuals she and her husband associated with. After all these incidents were confirmed and reported to FBI management, Melek Can Dickerson was allowed to remain in her position, to continue the translation of sensitive intelligence received by the FBI, and to maintain her Top Secret Clearance.

I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and additional documents. Melek Can Dickerson and several FBI targets of investigation hastily left the United States in 2002, and the case still remains uninvestigated criminally

FBI prior awareness of the September 11 attacks

Four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden. He received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months. The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Fields and documented this information.

No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to keep quiet regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing

I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue Many officials still refuse to admit to having specific information regarding the terrorists plans to attack the United States. The Phoenix Memo, received months prior to the 9/11 attacks, specifically warned FBI HQ of pilot training and their possible link to terrorist activities against the United States Coleen Rowley likewise reported that specific information had been provided to FBI HQ.

Inaccurate translations
Regarding War on Terror detainees who were thought to have valuable knowledge, Edmonds noted to Kean in her letter that The FBI knowingly sent unqualified translators to gather and translate this information She continued:

This Special Agent, in light of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, rightfully believed that the original translation might have missed certain information that could prove to be valuable in the investigation of terrorist activities. After this document was received by the FBI Washington Field Office and retranslated verbatim, the field agents hunch appeared to be correct. The new translation revealed certain information It also revealed certain illegal activities Instead this supervisor decided to send this agent a note stating that the translation was reviewed and that the original translation was accurate

Only one month after the catastrophic events of September 11; while many agents were working around the clock to obtain leads and information, and to investigate those responsible for the attacks, those with possible connections to the attack, and those who might be planning possible future attacks; the bureaucratic administrators in the FBIs largest and most important translation unit were covering up their past failures, blocking important leads and information, and jeopardizing on going terrorist investigations Yet your report contains zero information regarding these systemic problems

Summary
Near the end of her letter, Sibel writes:

As you are fully aware, even FBI officials confirmed all my allegations and denied none during their unclassified meetings with the Senate Judiciary staff over two years ago. However, neither your commissions hearings, nor your commissions five hundred sixty seven-page report, nor your recommendations include these serious issues, major incidents, and systemic problems

In order to cure a problem, one must have an accurate diagnosis. In order to correctly diagnose a problem, one must consider and take into account all visible symptoms. Your Commissions investigations, hearings, and report have chosen not to consider many visible symptoms. I am emphasizing visible, because these symptoms have been long recognized by experts from the intelligence community The few specific symptoms I provided you with in this letter have been confirmed and publicly acknowledged. During its many hearings your commission chose not to ask the questions necessary to unveil the true symptoms of our failed intelligence system Now, without a complete list of our failures pre-9/11 without a comprehensive examination of true symptoms that exist in our intelligence system, without assigning any accountability what so ever, and therefore, without a sound and reliable diagnosis, your commission is attempting to divert attention from the real problems


One brave Senator

In Christopher Delisos 2004 interview with Sibel (See section The Current Situation: Ashcrofts Obstructionism and a Legal Battle), he notes that You have expressed the desire for one brave Senator to take up your cause. But what can they actually do if the DOJ and judges rule in favor of classification? To that question, Sibel brought up the example of Mike Gravels actions with respect to the Vietnam War.

Gravel was perhaps the U.S. Senates foremost opponent of the Vietnam War. On June 13, 1971, the New York Times began publication of what came to be known as the Pentagon Papers, under the title Vietnam Archive: Pentagon Study Traces 3 Decades of Growing U.S. Involvement. The Nixon Administration issued an injunction against further publication, and the case went to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Aware that the Pentagon Papers exposed the Vietnam War for the fraud that it was, and therefore could greatly contribute to his long quest to end that war, Gravel made a crucial decision on the night prior to the expected verdict of the Supreme Court. Rick Perlstein describes what happened in his book, Nixonland:

Just in case the court ruled the other way Mike Gravel had called an extraordinary hearing of his Subcommittee He began reading aloud from a four-thousand-page typescript the historical narrative portion of the Pentagon Papers, provided to him by an anonymous source. He started at 9:45 p.m. The story is a terrible one, Gravel warned. It is replete with duplicity, connivance against the public. People, human beings, are being killed as I speak to you Then, he began to weep Gravel read for three hours and then recessed, noting to reporters he might be risking expulsion from the Senate. He stopped at 1:12 a.m., promising to continue the next day

Gravel kept his Senate seat and was able to introduce the entire document into the Congressional Record. That turned it into public property.

Later that day the Supreme Court issued its 6-3 decision in favor of publication. But even if it hadnt, the whole thing was already in the public domain, thanks to Gravels brave actions.


Final thoughts and plans from 2004 interview

At the end of Delisos 2004 interview with Edmonds, she expresses some interesting perspectives on her life, her country, and her view of her situation:

SE: The amount of sh*t you get exposed to on the inside strips you of any innocence you may have had. In an analogy, take the war on drugs. They say they're fighting drugs and keeping America safe by attacking the low-level dealers and addicts on the street but leaving the big-time, well-connected dealers alone. That is just disgusting.

CD: What are you planning to do next in your life?

SE: I will start a Ph.D. in January, either in the subject of public policy with relation to transparency, or else conflict resolution analysis, regarding Central Asia and Turkey.

CD: Would you work for government again, after what you've been through?

SE: I'd rather be a watchdog you know, someone who would push Congress to follow their duties and exercise some oversight. It's really incredible, when I asked a congressman's staff whether they have oversight, they say, "Well we do, but we don't." When I asked what that meant, he said, "Well, we can make a statement, but the DOJ doesn't listen to us."

CD: Hmm, well I know you can't name names, but can you tell me if any specific officials will suffer if your testimony comes out?

SE: Yes. Certain elected officials will stand trial and go to prison.


Google blockage of Sibel Edmonds blog site

In just the past few days Edmonds noted the blockage of her blog site, along with a threat of possible deletion, pending her recent testimony in the Ohio Elections Commission case. She writes the following:

My Blog Site is now blocked by Googles Blogger. They will not let me post during this most sensitive period, when I am about to provide deposition on Foreign US government illegal operations in the United States!

Well, this is what I got from Blogger yesterday (August 6th):

Your blog has been identified as a potential spam blog. To correct this, please request a review Your blog will be deleted in 20 days if it isn't reviewed

She adds:

Is it coincidence that this comes up when I am subpoenaed to provide sworn deposition on matters that have sent our government scrambling and certain high-level criminal entities sweating big time? Is this due to my latest interviews Or is it the fact that this blog is becoming more popular, the visitors number has been going up rapidly And I am talking about content and topics that are blacklisted by the US Mainstream Media.


Concluding thoughts

Ever since the end of World War II, and especially since the passage of the National Security Act of 1947 that established our CIA, U.S. policy has become more and more secretive, with progressively increasing use the worn out phrase national security to classify government information of crucial importance to the American people as beyond their reach. As late as the 1970s, at least we had a reasonably well functioning fourth estate, which uncovered and published the Pentagon Papers and thereby exposed the Vietnam War for the fraud that it was, thus helping to end it. But today a corporate news media that has demonstrated increasing complicity with the U.S. security state in maintaining government secrecy on issues of crucial importance to the American people poses a grave threat to our democracy.

It is not just the far left who notices this. Similar sentiments were expressed in 2004 in a letter from Senators Leahy (D-VT) and Grassley (R-IA) to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft with respect to the gagging of Sibel Edmonds:

While the needs of national security must be weighed seriously, we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability. We hope that is not the case here. Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the publics interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight. To do otherwise could damage the publics confidence not only in the governments ability to protect the nation, but also in the governments ability to police itself.

It is for all these reasons that the American people owe a large debt of gratitude to people like Sibel Edmonds, who have risked so much to protect our Constitutional rights to access information of grave importance to us and to expose government wrong doing.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:42 PM
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1. nobody is talking about that story except some blogs...
it's probably because it's dynamite
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:54 PM
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2. Thanks for your informative post.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:12 PM
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3. K&R.
Excellent overview.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:40 PM
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47. Thank you
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:25 PM
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4. Was just talking about Ms. Edmonds to a friend a couple of days ago
He is a person that is extremely well informed about many issues and even he had a hard time explaining the whole Sibel Edmonds situation...Thank you for this good overview of it. I learn something every time I read one of your posts .
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:11 AM
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21. Thank you -- It's possible that she
has the capacity to shake things up in our country like nobody else. I fear for her life.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:32 PM
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5. K&R n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:33 PM
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6. Thanks so much for this background info. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:38 PM
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7. The woman is another American hero of epic proportions. To continue to stand up and
expose these people is SO VERY DANGEROUS FOR HER. We are lucky to have citizens with the dedication and fearlessness to try to undo the wrongdoing that pervades our government agencies.

Recommend. thank you for posting this info.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 07:16 AM
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25. We certainly are -- We need a lot more like her
This is very much an uphill battle.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:01 PM
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8. Thanks for your observations, Time for change.
As much as I have read about Sibel Edmonds, I had not read about her high school essay which was the "final straw" in convincing her to come to America. How could she, or anyone, have guessed then that she would have to face far worse censorship here than she did in Turkey?

BTW, what did you think of her testimony this weekend? I'm just getting caught up on Brad Friedman's coverage and I'm glad she was allowed to say what she did. I wish she could have publicly nailed more of the rogues pictured in her gallery. But what really fascinated me is the revelation that Brewster Jennings & Associates, Valerie Plame's cover company, was "dismantled" in 2001 after Marc Grossman deliberately blew their cover. That opens up two big issues in my mind:

1. When is Marc Grossman going to be indicted for this crime?

2. What cover company was Valerie Plame working for from late 2001 to July 14, 2003?


Any thoughts?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:07 PM
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12. I too was really struck by her high school essay criticizing Turkish censorship
How ironic. Anyhow, it's so nice to see that the beliefs she had in high school served her (us) so well so many years later.

What did I think of her testimony? I guess I would agree with you and Brad that the biggest bomb was her testimony about Brewster Jennings & Associates. It's so hard at this time for me to understand the full meaning of it -- it may raise more questions than it answers. It is certainly consistent with her former assertions of Jan Dickerson trying to recruit her to be a spy for Turkish/American organization(s). I wonder if this involved nuclear secrets issues -- Brad doesn't go into the details on this issue, I guess not many more details came out on it.

On the one hand, it seems very encouraging that she was allowed to testify about things which have the potential to amount to national scandals. But on the other hand, over the past few years we've had so many false hopes dashed, so I'm not going to get too happy about it until I see some more things happening.

I have no idea what cover company Plame was working for from 2001-4. I guess that what happens to Grossman now will tell us a great deal about our current government -- I have no idea what will happen to him.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:58 PM
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18. How ironic that the only thirty-something person on my short list of great living American
heroes was born in the middle East and did arrive in this country until adulthood. Where are the native-born thirty-somethings to add to my list? If Sibel does have a glaring deficiency, perhaps it's not learning to have been a boot-licking team-player, American-style. :D
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 06:30 AM
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24. Very good point
This should serve as a lesson to us all:

Nobody should ever think that their particular race, ethnic group or nationality (or gender) has a monopoly on courage.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 10:18 AM
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27. Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill. I'd say Naomi Klein but she's Canadian, unless she's dual
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 10:19 AM by glitch
citizen. They're out there, just not on corporate tv.
http://www.democracynow.org /
http://www.freespeech.org /

edit: a couple of these may've hit their forties ;)
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 10:34 AM
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28. Have great admiration for all, but my short list is very short, the likes of the late Barbara Jordan
who was at the top of my short list when privileged to meet her on a flight to DC back in the '70s. :D
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:51 AM
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33. Your short list is more like stellar. You're very lucky to have met such beautiful human. :) nt
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 03:55 PM
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53. Still the only incident in my life in which I was completely awe-stricken
:D
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:28 AM
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29. Yes, Amy Goodman is a Boomer, born in '57. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:50 AM
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32. Wo, 50s. So much for my age estimation abilities. Still, lots of young folks on FSTV and LinkTV
Maybe Laura Flanders?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:34 AM
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30. A couple of friends an dI were discussing this the other night.
We concluded that the under 30's are doing pretty well (being in their 20's aside, give 'em time) and the late boomers have quite a few still dedicated to doing the right thing, but the Raygun generation (defined as those that reached consciousness during the initial reign of terror) are a lost cause with so few exceptions as to be insignificant.


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:30 PM
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39. I agree, it may have raised more questions than answers.
You raise an interesting question about whether this involved nuclear secrets issues. Considering that Valerie Plame was working on WMD trafficking, I would say this is highly likely. There is a connection with her monitoring and the A.Q. Khan network, which most certainly was involved with black market nuclear technology. I'm sure Sibel Edmonds might know more on this than she was asked.

I was discussing some of these questions raised with cascadiance on another thread. Thanks to cascadiance I learned this interesting fact: Marc Grossman and Joseph Wilson went to the same college, graduated the same year and both went on to work for the State Department.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640

Some interesting possibilities I want to explore:

Perhaps Brewster Jennings was a "front" for something else that is still classified. It's quite possible that the "real" Brewster Jennings lived on in the CIA under a different name, and a "front" Brewster Jennings that called itself Brewster Jennings continued on after Grossman blew their cover up until the summer of 2003 when Cheney blew Plame's cover. But was the "front" Brewster Jennings benign, or did it exist to undermine the actions of the "real" Brewster Jennings in service of the Deep State?

One more tantalizing possibility: is it possible Wilson and/or Grossman are not really State Department? Just a thought, probably because I recently read The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Prouty. Perhaps with their deep connections with the intelligence community, one or both of them may have been "sheep-dipped", perhaps prior to graduation from UCSB. Of the two, I would bet more on Grossman, his actions reek of Secret Team motivations.

One thing I am certain of: Marc Grossman is a treasonous bastard who puts Deep State profits ahead of his country. I believe that's where his true interests lie, especially in regard to his "most important meeting" with ISI director and reputed 9/11 paymaster Mahmood Ahmed on September 10, 2001.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_isi:_a_m...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:08 PM
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9. Recommended.
This is outstanding ..... something that your efforts always are .... but this may be the best yet. It is really well done.

I'm going to forward this to a journalist that I recently met, if you do not mind. I'm not sure what, if anything, will come of it. The journalist works for one of the biggest news media in the country, and I suspect the "powers that be" avoid this topic. But perhaps this investigative reporter can get something started on this .... and, when one that large does, the rest follow.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:01 PM
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11. Good luck, H2O Man.
I hope this journalist is receptive. At the very least, I hope you can find out what this journalist's editor's reason is for censoring this topic. That's the only reason I can think of why Olbermann and Maddow, to name the most likely MSM candidates to break this story, will not feature Sibel Edmonds.

What did you think of her testimony this weekend? Makes me wonder about some of those massive redactions in Fair Game.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:50 AM
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23. As John Lennon said,
"A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words."

I thought that her testimony filled in some of the holes in the true story of what was going on in 2001-2003. I do not believe, as some have suggested, that it took away from the significance of the Plame Scandal, or raised more questions about Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation. Clearly, it documented the need for a serious Congressional investigation ..... but that would require a serious Congress, something that we do not have today.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:04 PM
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42. This absolutely did not take away from the significance of the Plame Scandal.
If anything, it added to it. It may explain why the Wilsons added Armitage to their civil suit. But in my mind, it definitely proves that Grossman's revelation to Libby about Wilson's wife working in the CIA on June 11 or 12 of 2003 was far from benign.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001046.php

I recently read a book I know you're familiar with, The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Prouty. Quite a fascinating account of power in America during that time. His views in the final chapter about how he considered the Secret Team to be not a fixed organization, but more a matrix that adapts to its current environment, really made me think about how the Secret Team might operate now within our more privatized "globalized" society. Have you read The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein? It's not an insider account like Prouty's, but through her research into the parallels between how the CIA "shock treatment" within the context of MKUltra and Milton Friedman disciples "shock treatment" of developing countries intertwine, I think we gain a clearer picture of how ST works today. It's still only part of the picture, but it's a pretty large view.

Anyway, that came to mind when I learned about the Marc Grossman revelations in Sibel Edmonds testimony. Of the many "dark actors" involved in this scandal, Grossman is one of the darkest.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:20 PM
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13. Thank you H2O Man -- That would be great if you forwarded this to your journalist
acquaintance. Please let us know if anything comes of it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:45 AM
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22. I will
send it this morning. It will take a curious route, but will arrive in the journalist's hands later this week.

I'm also printing out a copy to give to/discuss with a Congressman (and former DA) who I will be having lunch with later this month.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:14 PM
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10. K&R -- as usual, an amazing and enlightening piece, TFC
One of DU's finest.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:46 PM
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48. Thank you nashville
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:53 PM
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14. K&R n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:01 PM
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15. It's a shame her father isn't still alive for us to talk to now...
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 09:03 PM by cascadiance
He sounds like he could also give us some very inspirational messages and guidance for us, much like he gave to her in raising her to be such a great model for American citizenship!

Also, note that I don't think Melek Can Dickerson changed her name necessarily. I'm guessing that Jan is her Americanized nickname, since "Can" as a Turkish name is pronounced "Jan".

Also, I got an email just very shortly ago from a Turkish mail alias I'm on that might explain Sibel's unfortunate "censorship" by Google earlier. It would appear that there's a war of ads and both Armenian groups and the Turkish Coalition Association (TCA) group who are paying for these ads are trying to censor each other by complaining to Google. My guess is that Sibel got caught in the middle of this tug of war, and it might explain while it's taking a while for her to get it resolved too.

Read this link:

http://capwiz.com/anca/issues/alert/?alertid=13434691

and then the content of this email I just now received a short time ago.

Fwd: ACTION ALERT BY TCA
"Google"ın, "Turkish Coalition of America"nin (TCA) reklamlarina bundan boyle sayfalarinda yer vermeme karari almasi nedeniyle TCA tarafindan baslatilan mektup kampanyasina iliskin duyurunun metni asagida sunulmustur.

T.C. Los Angeles Baskonsoloslugu
11 Agustos 2009

ACTION ALERT: GOOGLE LIMITS FREE SPEECH
The Turkish Coalition of America for months maintained Google Ads for its website, www.turkishcoalition.org, without protest or incident. But after an aggressive campaign by an Armenian American group Google suddenly and without a chance for the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA) to respond suspended the ads saying that they violated its Anti policy. Google also said that it could not accept ads for websites that, suggest revisions to history.
The notion that there is a Google-accepted version of history is extraordinarily disturbing.
The TCA educates the general public about matters of concern to Turkish Americans. Neither it nor its website are against any person or group. The TCA does, however, advocate that the narrative of the Ottoman-Armenian conflict as propagated by the Armenian Diaspora is one-sided and ignores evidence of Muslim suffering, some of it at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries. The TCA supports this view with extensive texts, pictures and links available on its website. Much of the material is from Armenian sources boosting about their armed activities. TCA web site is not hostile toward or advocates against any individuals or groups.
Google has failed to distinguish between advocating an idea in an historic controversy, which the TCA does, and advocating against a group, which the TCA does not. This notion is strikes at the very core of the First Amendment free speech rights.
Please let Google know that you disagree with its discriminatory suspension of Turkish Coalition of Americas ads and therefore their flouting of cherished principles of fairness and free expression.
Below is a sample letter, or write your own. We strongly encourage you to send your letter to:

Eric E. Schmidt, Ph.D.

Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Google, Inc.

1600 Amphitheatre Parkway

Mountain View, CA 94043

Although less effective, you may also send an e-mail to press@google.com or fax a copy of your letter to 650.253.0001.



SAMPLE:
Dear Google:
I am a Google user and have visited the website of the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), www.turkishcoalition.org, which I have found interesting and informative.
I am writing to urge you to restore the TCAs Google Ads, which you suspended based only on an aggressive campaign that lied about the nature and intention of the organization. The TCA seeks only to educate people on issues of concern to Turkish Americans. It does not advocate against any person or group.
Certain people and groups disagree with the TCAs position on the historical controversy surrounding the interpretation of Ottoman-Armenian history. But this does not mean that the TCA is advocating against these people or groups. To make this interpretation, as Google has arbitrarily done, is to grossly misunderstand the nature and value of free speech in the United States. As U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U.S. 644 (1929), (B)ut, if there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other, it is the principle of free thought -- not free thought for those who agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate.
Moreover, to prevent advertising for websites, that suggest revision to history is also misguided and against your own core values. It suggests that there is a Google-accepted version of history, which is an extraordinarily disturbing notion. Even the President of the American Historical Association has recognized that, There is no single, eternal, and immutable truth about past events and their meaning. The unending quest of historians for understanding the pastthat is, revisionismis what makes history vital and meaningful. (James McPherson, Revisionist Historians, September 2003.)
Time and again you have told the U.S. government that freedom of expression is at the core of everything (you) do. Yet you must practice what you preach.
The majority of what the TCA does and what it represents on its website cannot be considered controversial. But insofar as it wades into the controversy over Ottoman-Armenian history, please understand that it is a far greater evil to stunt debate and curtail speech than it is to advocate for a broader interpretation of an historical controversy, even if that offends some who believe differently.
Dont give in to the protests of a vocal few. Do the right thing and stand up for our cherished and hard won principles of fairness and free expression.

Sincerely,

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:48 PM
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49. Thank you for the info
I was thinking that the reason for the Google block was more sinister than that -- but maybe not.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:20 PM
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16. Thank you for all this interesting background info on Sibel, n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:26 PM
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17. k i c k
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:58 PM
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19. What someone needs to ask her is this:
How much money would she need to relocate to another country and spill her guts without concern for what the US Gov't says? I'm in for $500 bucks.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:26 PM
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20. K&R
:kick:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:53 AM
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26. Thanks, TfC. I am hoping the truth will break through the barricades
Hastert and others continued to "serve" AFTER she had told what they were doing, and the great majority of Americans still do not know any of what she has revealed. Even here at DU, discussion of potential US government pre-knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and subsequent coverup is a taboo subject.

And we should remember, Sibel only heard about SOME of the ongoing corruption in the US government while she served as a translator. Imagine how much more there is.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:56 PM
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36. The corruption in our government and
the shadow government that works alongside of it or over it is very thick IMO. It will be very difficult to identify it and deal with it effectively. But people like Sibel give us hope.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:09 PM
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37. yes, Sibel gives us hope. Her courage awes me. I hope many more
brave whistleblowers dare to come forward when they see that she has finally been allowed to speak and - we again must hope - is HEARD.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:38 AM
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31. Auto K&R.
Brilliant and informative as usual. It's too bad you have a flourishing career already, this nation desperately needs more real investigators bringing the truth out.
:kick: & R

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:30 PM
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38. Thank you Greyhound
I intend to retire in 5 years. Maybe I can start a second career.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:02 PM
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34. excellent fact checking and reporting
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 12:04 PM by florida08
She's overseas right now according to her tweets and her google blog has finally been unblock but she's asking a question I can't answer.

http://123realchange.blogspot.com /

here's her twitter page
http://twitter.com/sibeledmonds
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:53 PM
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50. Thank you -- I'm afraid I can't answer that question either
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:03 PM
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35. Being a whistle blower and fighting the intrinsic tyranny of government is a life altering experienc
as the many considerations one deals with can haunt you the rest of your life; compound that with the fact that much of society is nothing more than a bunch of sheep quick to turn a blind eye and deaf ears towards revelations that should not be ignored. But then this passivity has its consequences, as small covert acts of evil give way to bigger acts of evil; building layers upon layers of evil that cant go undiscovered forever, and when they are discovered - an event so thunderous occurs that even the sheep cant ignore it; and if the truth were known, the resulting panic and outrage could engender what venal politicians fear the most, people might stop being the faithful followers and see that they have been duped into following not the best and brightest leaders, but rather the most depraved monsters society has to offer.

Some things I find most disturbing about Sibel Edmonds case is not that it sheds light on the nuclear black market, but the fact that high ranking individuals within our own government are involved and not held accountable. Shouldnt this have people rioting in the street demanding that heads role? Of course the fact that there is so little outrage is of no surprise, because most people have never heard of Sibel Edmonds. But still, what does all this mean, could we realistically assume that nuclear technology of the worst case scenario has slipped into the black market and any psychopathic organization with enough money, such as the World Bank, the IMF, PNAC, APAC, the CIA, the BFEE and Dick Cheney could all have their own little secrete nuclear arsenal and thus murder millions of people in an instant for whatever political reason they see fit? Oh yes, and then they could blame it on Al Qaeda.

But who knows, maybe our pretend democracy is held hostage by this grave possibility and thats why our corporately owned politicians pander to the capitalist so much; and the pretense of National Security is to prevent the enemy, (i.e. We The People) from learning the truth and thus forcing the PTP to reveal their cards or to do something unimaginable, which could be reminiscent of Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

One last observation; Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for giving the Soviet Union information about the nuclear bomb So what does it say about the state of our government and its complete reversal in its collective attitude towards treason? As it now endeavors to conceal the equally damaging or even worse acts of treason that puts the whole world at risk; its like god told the leaders that it would serve no benefit if the voters were to ever know what was going on in the world, so why bother getting them all shook up and forcing them to do something stupid, like voting for people that arent afraid of the truth

Enough said, let Sibel Edmonds speak and let the truth be known!

K&R
Larry
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:39 PM
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46. "maybe our pretend democracy is held hostage by this grave possibility and thats why our
maybe our pretend democracy is held hostage by this grave possibility and thats why our corporately owned politicians pander to the capitalist so much".

I have often wondered what is the precise mechanism by which our elected leader seem to held hostage to the PTB. The simplest answer is that it is simply a matter of politics -- the PTB will help them get elected if they play ball, and will help their opponents get elected if they don't. But I think that that is too simple an answer, and that simple politics is not enough to account for the magnitude of the problem. It often seems to me that true explanation is a lot similar than that.

Your example about the Rosenburgs is very similar to Sybil's point about the big deal that we make out of our "War on Drugs", and yet we let the big fish go.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:41 PM
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40. Back on my head kick. n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 01:59 PM
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41. K&R. Again, the SE story should be required DU reading.
:patriot:
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:29 PM
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43. Sibel is a very Brave woman.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:42 PM
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44. Sibel deserved one of those Presidential Medals of Freedom today. . .
. but often the really courageous have to be dead before they are duly recognized.

I'd rather see Sibel live than honored, needless to say.

So much for awards, right?

History is written by the winners.

Awards go to the SAFE PHOTO OPS.

Thanks a million for the truth-telling, Sibel, as we must silently honor you.






----Note: this is a 2004 photo----

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:57 PM
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51. She certainly deserves one a lot more than George Tenet!
Very nice picture of her and Ellsberg.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:51 PM
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45. you do have a way with putting things altogether.
And that did it for me on Sybil Edmond.
What a story that should be for the media.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 04:25 AM
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52. Has the mainstream media ever even mentioned her?
When I mention her name, people have no idea who she is.
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