RE: Health care: "If Obama can't win this one, it will be very hard for him to recover."

[Triana]

Heard this morning. That says it all.

DINO Democrats, and idiot Republicans (and the for-profit insurance companies whose money they LOVE) have all but seen to it that health care reform will NOT happen (ie: NO VIABLE public option at LEAST and no single payer = NO reform) - even though this is the BEST chance in history we've had to make it happen.

I expect some weak-ass watered-down Insurance Company Bailout bill will result - and will be pitched as "reform" - when it isn't.

It would be wise of Obama to threaten to veto such a piece of sh*t bill and tell them to start over - he has nothing more to lose at this point.

[liberal N proud]

1. Right, this will be his "Waterloo"

BULLSHIT

[Triana]

3. I hope you're right and they're wrong.

I really do.

[DevonRex]

2. The people saying that wanted him to fail anyway. I call bullshit.

[scheming daemons]

4. A bill will pass in the fall... so he will have "won" this one.....

....it might not include everything we want... but it will be a significant reform.

[Triana]

5. I hope so.

This comment was made by a BBC reporter on NPR this morning. During that segment, they actually DID ask the question ie: "are the protesters really angry citizens or "astroturf" - and YES they actually used that term and explained the meaning of it.

First/only time I've heard it mentioned by the media since this whole anti health care reform terrorism campaign started.

[kenny blankenship]

6. He will sign whatever they send him - and call it ice cream

He got locked into that the moment he ceded the initiative to Congress. To veto a healthcare insurance mandate bill after all this wrangling and acrimony would poison his relationship with Congress forever.

[BlueIdaho]

7. Did it destroy Bill Clinton?

Not so much really.

[Jennicut]

10. No but it did make a Rethug majority take over Congress

and Clinton could not get done as much. Still, its the blue dogs who are blowing it in my opinion, not Obama.

[BlueIdaho]

12. It was Clinton's other "problem" that halted his progress.

Granted, it was tough going with a republican congress but he still managed to work wonders on our economy. I believe it was his other "problem" that disrupted much of his second term.

[derby378]

16. Gun control?

That's my best guess...

[Triana]

guess you could call it that. ;) n/t

[Jennicut]

21. LOL

[Triana]

14. That's what worries me too...and I could choke the damn "Blue Dogs"

:grr:

[OHdem10]

8. Is it a win if he agrees to removing the public option and signs

A Center Right Bill????? There is more than a chance
that a lot of us will be worse off with a Republican
Bill. Republicans do not pass bills that put the people
first. They at least they are honest, put Business first.

If you listen to them in House and Senate, they openly
argue how legislation either helps or hurts Business.

If he passes a Republican Bill, it is just more of
GWB leading us over a cliff.

Can a President not say--This Bill in the long run
will not help the American People and I say let's table
it. To me this takes guts. I will not be intimidated
into passing something just to pass something which
will make the system worse.

[KittyWampus]

9. Triana, I am sorry but you've got a bit of a defeatist attitude going there. I'm not ready to give

up on getting a decent option on the Health Care Bill

[Triana]

13. Yea maybe you're right...

...I'm just damn worried about it. Not just because we NEED real reform - but that it will affect Obama/Dems in a very bad way - because regardless the thugs out there - the MAJORITY of voters want reform w/ public option (a GOOD one) or single-payer.

[babylonsister]

18. The real question is, what will happen to the opposition party

when reform passes? They are so frightened at that prospect.

They've got nothing but obstruction. No new ideas, a party in disarray. When this succeeds, where will they go/what will they do?

Oh sure, they're obstruct the next big idea that comes down the pike, but I just bet they still will be the party of 'no'.

[Triana]

19. That's the crux of their problem. They're more worried about their own sorry

asses and what will happen if Obama succeeds in getting a half-decent bill passed than fixing health care in this country. They don't care about anything or anyone but their smug damn selves.

[bluestateguy]

11. Yeah, it doomed Bill Clinton's one term presidency

Typical Beltway Cocktail Party crap.

[Laelth]

15. I simply do not believe that. This is not 1994.

I would rather Congress do nothing than to pass a bad "health insurance reform" bill.

"dem:

-Laelth

[Triana]

17. So would I - I'd rather Obama vetoed it or they jus scrapped it than pass

a shitty one.

[Marr]

20. I think it's more likely to spell the doom of some blue dogs and

Republicans, personally. People can see what's happening here.

[Triana]

22. I SO hope you're right...that people can see through this crap

...at least most of them.

[DailyGrind51]

23. This was his flagship. If it sinks, so do his chances for re-election.

[BlueIdaho]

24. Have to disagree

The President still remains personally very popular as do many of his goals. If health care reform does not pass - it will be back next year and every year until something meaningful is done. The current health care model can't be sustained. Every day more Americans are losing access, every day deductibles increase, every day more and more people are having their procedures declined, every day more and more people show up at emergency rooms for basic health care. Something must and will be done - its just a matter of time.

One of these days these lunatics and thugs will wake up and realize they have no health care coverage and then they will change their tune.