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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:45 PM
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Pelosi and Reid need to be Removed from their Leadership Positions
They are two very incompetent people who don't seem to know what they're doing, and they don't have the balls to push their agenda through. I suggest replacing Reid with Barbara Boxer, and Pelosi with Dennis Kucinich. Two progressives that can get the job done.

Who do you think should replace Reid and Pelosi?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:47 PM
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1. Reid yes, Pelosi no. She's doing about as well as could be expected on health care.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:50 PM
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2. Agreed there. Pelosi's actually doing halfway decently. Reid needs to go.
And I'm hearing more rumors about Schumer wanting Reid's job... Maybe we'll be in luck.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:52 PM
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5. Reid seems very wishy washy ... like a Repuke almost
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 10:55 PM by sjdnb
Pelosi seems to be struggling to try to keep it all together.

Someone needs to have the nads to just say NO to all the BS.

When will the Dems actually realize the American people handed them a mandate to make life better for them ... not the Defense Contractors, Corrupt Businesses/Executives, Corporate Welfare Recipients, or any Lackeys they donated to/helped elect.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:50 PM
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3. Let's have all the members of the caucus vote, say at the beginning of the Congressional session
for the members they wish to represent them in Leadership.

Now that would be something!

You think Dennis Kucinich would win such a vote? lol
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:53 PM
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7. OMG, what a novel idea!!!
Why didn't someone in the House or Senate think of that!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:22 AM
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20. Why is the choice always Kucinich?
I love it how the cheerleaders around here always insist that everyone they disagree with worships Kucinich. It seems the DLC memes are strong on the DU these days.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:45 AM
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22. The OP was the one to come up with the crazy Kucinich idea
Not I.

What point are you trying to make again?
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:51 AM
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24. You actually think members of Congress
choose the leaders? LOL! You are naive.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:15 AM
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25. No one puts a gun to their head.
They may value the safety and comfort of their positions more than they do their principles, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

Members revolting against Leadership isn't exactly an unheard of occurance.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:35 AM
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26. The gun is in the form of funding and support from the
Democratic Party. Yes, it could be done, but you have to remove the major political parties from the equation and they're too tightly entrenched thanks to the predator class and not-too-bright people believing that there is actually a difference between Democrat and Republican. News flash: They're ALL sucking off the same corporate teet. Now, if THE PEOPLE would bypass D and R and elect people not beholden to anyone but his/her constituents and IF we could populate Congress with those individuals, THEN we would have our revolt.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:38 AM
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27. so you are saying that if a majority of the Democratic Caucus decided they wanted to change leaders
the Democratic Party would refuse to support a majority of its elected officials?

Ho-kay....
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:52 AM
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30. No, I'm saying
the Democratic Caucus will not make the decision to change the leadership because they are all there due to the support and funding of the Democratic Party which represents the predator class every bit as much as the Republican Party represents them. You think the Democratic Members of Congress control the Democratic Party when it's clearly the other way around. And who controls the Democratic Party? Not us.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 06:55 AM
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42. so you're saying that the folks that got these Democrats elected would cause them to go
down to defeat if they voted for someone other than Pelosi or Reid?

You haven't spent much time in DC, have you?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:01 PM
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36. You theory could make sense, except for the fact that these votes are done by secret ballot
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:50 PM
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4. In a dream world, Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:52 PM
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6. Nobody is stopping either one of them
They're perfectly capable of talking to the members of the Senate and House and creating majority support for whatever it is they want to pass. They're also perfectly capable of conducting a leadership position, if they can get the votes. Oh yeah, they can't even get the votes for that much, let alone pass any legislation.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:00 PM
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8. in what universe do you think DK would make a good leader?
He has never served in a leadership position. He hasn't campaigned for or raised money for other members to the best of my knowledge. In other words, he has done nothing to build the sort of relationships that you need to develop to achieve a leadership role.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:11 PM
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9. Dennis has a moral compass that is on target 100% of the time n/t
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:49 AM
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19. that's terrific, but it has nothing to do with whether he'd be an effective congressional leader
Effective Congressional leader: LBJ. Moral compass -- missed the 100 percent mark by some distance
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:32 PM
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10. The Captain and Tennille
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:44 PM
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11. As soon as either Reid or Pelosi...
...no longer can command a majority in their caucuses, or Kucinich and Feingold can produce one, they'll be gone.

But not before -- and certainly not because of anyone uttering ukases here.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:47 PM
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12. Are you kidding?
Polosi is the only liberal left. She's not perfect, but she's fighting. I don't care what you do with that ol' sourpuss Reid.

Do some more research.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:14 AM
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14. Overall, they are doing what is expected by protocol, customs, tradition, and competence
Our system thrives on the above...its changes are designed to be slow....

kick
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 12:02 AM
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13. Well, whenever they do choose someone else, I hope they have decent speaking skills
Harry Reid's speaking skills are terrible. I try to listen but he makes my mind wander.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:15 AM
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15. John Lennon and Mahatma Ghandi.
May they rest in peace.

:patriot:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:16 AM
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16. The two chambers elect their own.
I think Pelosi has earned the votes of her colleagues and that they see no benefit in removing her as Speaker.

The Senate is another landscape. Reid faces a possibly difficult re-election next round. We'll see how things go after that.
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:16 AM
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17. Screw Reid, but I think Pelosi is doing fine. she isnt backing down to private insurance nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 03:38 AM
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18. oh goody. this stupid shit again. How the fuck do you suggest doing this?
At gunpoint? Sorry, but delusional fantasies NEVER make a difference.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:23 AM
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21. Yeah, why would people discuss things on a discussion board?
That's just crazy.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:50 AM
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23. Pelosi and Reid were placed in their positions
(yes, I said placed) precisely because they are obedient sycophants to the corporate-sponsored DLC. The Democratic Party (now synonymous with the DLC) isn't going to let anyone who is not a, shall we say, "team player" to hold any position of power. They must have COMPLIANT pod persons and they have the perfect stooges in Reid and Pelosi.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:40 AM
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28. Why Kucinich who (though I like him) often comes across on TV as a flake.
I'd like Bernie Sanders in the Senate. He comes across as thoughtful and yet with a spine.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:44 AM
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29. Boxer and Kucinich are too weak to attain leadership positions in the Senate and House
If they were stronger, they would have attained higher leadership positions.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:33 AM
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32. Wrong again sir. They aren't on the CorpAmerica payroll, like the Blue Chickens. nm
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:44 AM
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33. If they are strong enough, the should take those positions
What are they waiting for?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:49 AM
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34. They don't have CorpAmerica backing (Rahm's) backing like Pelosi and Reid. nm
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:02 AM
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35. They need to pursuade their fellow Democratic legislators to back them
Kucinich, in particular, doesn't seem to have much clout with other Democratic legislators.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:14 PM
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37. So do you support Kucinich and Boxer? nm
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:41 PM
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39. No, I support EFFECTIVE legislators
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:46 PM
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40. Pelosi and Reid aren't really that effective
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:22 PM
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44. They passed the President's economic stimulus bill
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:04 PM
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41. Very evasive. Who specifically do you like? nm
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:22 PM
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45. For starters, Steny Hoyer
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:00 AM
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31. Unrecommended
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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:15 PM
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38. Reid has to go
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 06:16 PM by tj2001
He's simply ineffective as a leader
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:48 AM
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43. and he supported the bankruptcy bill. nm
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