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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:52 PM
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Rahm Slammed Dems Attacking Other Dems As “F–king Stupid,” Sources Say
Someone is stupid all right, as well as arrogant and a pretty sad strategist, but it isn’t progressive dems. And…if health care fails it will be the fault of Rahm and the blue dogs.

Rahm Slammed Dems Attacking Other Dems As “F–king Stupid,” Sources Say

“The Politico’s Jonathan Martin reported this morning that Rahm Emanuel warned leaders of liberal groups in a private meeting this week that it was time to stop running ads attacking Blue Dog and “centrist” Dems on health care.

I’m told, however, that Emanuel went quite a bit further than this.

Sources at the meeting tell me that Emanuel really teed off on the Dem-versus-Dem attacks, calling them “f–king stupid.” This was a direct attack on some of the attendees in the room, who are running ads against Dems right now.

Tellingly, Rahm raised the specter of a loss on health care, sources at the meeting say — which suggests that the White House may be less certain about victory than officials allow publicly.

“He started out with, `We’re 13 and 0 going into health care,’” one source at the meeting said, meaning that Rahm was touting the White House’s string of pre-health care legislative victories.

“This momentum is necessary to do all these other things. We have a lot of momentum right now, and any loss spoils that momentum that we’ve built up,” was how the source described the gist of what Rahm said. A Rahm spokesperson didn’t return an email for comment.

Said one attendee: “It was the Rahm show.”

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/rahm-slam... /
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:55 PM
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1. Why is he angry?
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 09:59 PM by RandomThoughts
And if it is a good bill, he is right, but if it protects insurance companies and not society he is wrong.

I think Rahm is concerned about getting a good bill, but he might be more concerned about what he thinks happens to the Democratic party, then what he thinks is best for all the people in society?

Note that the comment on Rahm was a bit funny, he called attacking other democrats as stupid as he does the same thing calling some democrats actions stupid.

:rofl:

that's stupid

:rofl:

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:03 PM
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12. He is responsible for the blue dogs and now he has to protect them...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:47 PM
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31. Blue Dog. Blue Dog. Blue Dog. Blue Dog. Blue Dog. Blue Dog. Blue Dog.
A.K.A. "(D)- Corporate" - the stealth party for the politically ignorant in want of a change from the "(R)- Corporate" party, which ends up being no change at all, except for the lack of "And Jesus said...".
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:56 PM
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2. Rahm handles issues like I do (most of the time).
...and I really like that.

I just REALLY wish I knew what his agenda was.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:00 AM
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19. Out of control emotional outbursts? In his job, that's counterproductive.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:07 AM
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20. I don't believe it was either "out of control" or "emotional".
It was a controlled statement delivered with the intended impact.

...and in his job, it's the perfect way to handle some (if not most) things. Rahm is Obama's "enforcer" It's his job to be the sledge hammer to Obama's measured statements.



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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:12 AM
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21. That Being The Case
How about him using that hammer on the blue dogs?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:19 AM
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22. Like I said, I appreciate his method, but I'd like to know his motivations.
My point is that Rahm is not some unstable hothead. He acts the way he does for a reason.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:27 AM
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23. I'd Like To Know His Motive Too
Maybe then I'd have more appreciation for his actions
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:46 AM
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26. What could his motivation could possibly be?$?$?$? (nt)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:57 PM
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3. How many times are we going to see this fuckin shit????
sick and tired of people re-posting this BS.... :grr:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:05 PM
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5. Then Don't Kick The Thread
As for BS, Rahm has a deserved rep for kicking progressives and siding with conservative dems.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:03 PM
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4. Out of curiosity... If it is the Rahm show... why is he saying things that are done are stupid?
I say it is the peoples show, and if legislation is in the best interest of society then it should pass, and if people stand in the way of that legislation then they should be shown as having done that.

What form it takes will show what groups are being supported, lobbyist or society.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:13 PM
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6. is Rahms powder getting wet?....n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:28 PM
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8. Chickens Coming Home To Roost
According To Maxine Waters as he actively recruited many of the blue dogs


Top Blue Dog Boasts: "We Held Bill Hostage," Killed Single Payer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:01 PM
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11. The Blue Dogs didn't "kill" single payer
Sadly single payer has never even been a serious part of the discussion.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:33 PM
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18. Could've Been
“Look, Rahm has told the Blue Dogs they can do what they want to on health care. Maxine Waters confirmed it. When the Blue Dogs held the bill hostage, they got everything they wanted -- Rahm and Jan "bail" Schakowsky got progressives to drop their very meaningful demands, which Mike Ross acknowledged "would have led to single payer." They gave them up in exchange for a meaningless floor vote on single payer. Go team.”

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/rahm-goe... /
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:13 PM
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7. Doesn't that make him a Dem attacking other Dems? nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:44 AM
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25. duh.... exactly!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:21 AM
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29. Not the sharpest tack on the board. But apparently he's very mean and that makes him useful
somehow.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:13 PM
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32. If unnamed sources from a Politico writer are to be believed, then yes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:39 AM
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37. The source of his language was Greg Sergeant of Plum Line and TPM
Politico's summary did not tell the whole tale.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:47 PM
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9. no rahm- supporting the campaign funding of bluedogs over the health of American citizens is...
FUCKING STUPID.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:58 PM
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10. Was it "F-king Stupid" when Rahm and James Carville attacked a fellow Dem...
...Howard Dean?

Both of them eviscerated then DNC Chairman Dean after the 2006 elections. Although the Dems won big, they said it was Dean's fault we didn't win by an even bigger margin.

Apparently, Rahm has no problem when moderate Dems like himself attack more liberal ones; it's only when the liberals take issue with the moderates that he raises a stink.

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:07 PM
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13. Just remember who Carville is married to..I just don't trust him...
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:08 PM
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14. Excellent point.
I have a feeling that sort of attack is called "disagreement for the good of the party."

:puke:

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:12 PM
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16. memories
rahm is not liked by me too much
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:12 PM
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15.  the bullshit meters are off the scale on this one
poitico and their unnamed sources.

why has`t any of these "leaders of liberal groups" said anything about this meeting? what liberal groups were invited? why were they sworn to secrecy?

the bullshit meters will be pegged on red until someone comes forward and confirms the meeting
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:32 PM
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17. We need more of that kind of "stupidity" . . . !!! And less Emmanuel . . .
Obama needs to begin to divorce himself from the corporate-DLC . . .

and move on!!!

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:44 AM
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24. Excuse me...but exactly what is Rahm Emanuel doing????
I am starting to believe that all the "f-king" stupidity is coming from the Executive Branch.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:42 AM
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27. Yes, What Is He Doing?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:20 PM
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34. Whatever you want to believe but
President Obama is not "stupid".
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:27 AM
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28. I think he wants to be a dictator. Like Bush. That worked out well, didn't it?
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:39 AM
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30. Rahm is a machine politics asshole.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:15 PM
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33. And yet, didn't he attack Howard Dean after
the 2006 Midterms? SAy that ain't so.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:03 AM
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35. His entire career has been built on attacking other Democrats
Pot: Kettle
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:12 AM
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36. Well, it worked. And so did Tweety's attacks on Jim Dean on Hardball.
Jim stood his ground, but today Howard Dean distanced himself from the group he helped organize...loudly and clearly. He even said he spoke with Ben Nelson about the ad.

That sounds to me as though he is ashamed of who we are and of the ad.

He could take a stand with progressives, but he is not doing that.

I guess Rahm really has that power after all. First time Howie Dean has been on Sunday TV since he started speaking out on Medicare...and he had to sell us out at DFA.
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