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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:42 PM
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James Zogby: "Danger on the Right"...
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 06:51 PM by BlooInBloo
Good article - events don't take place in vaccuo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/danger-on-the...

There is a social movement stirring on the far right of American politics and it bodes ill for our future.

It is, in the classic sense, a movement, not an organization, with no coherent structure, no creed or litmus test for membership. Rather, it represents disparate currents, born of transformative developments and traumatic events that have impacted the US in recent decades.

This movement has manifested itself in several forms. There are the anti-immigrant armed militias patrolling our southern border keeping out "illegals." There are also the "tax party" demonstrators, many of whom have morphed into the angry chanting mobs that are now disrupting Congressional town meetings over health care reform. And there are the so-called "birthers," a not so small fringe on the far-right, that questions Barack Obama's birth in the US and, therefore, his right to hold the office of president.

If the individuals involved in these currents have anything in common, it is that they are angry and alienated and have identified "government" as a source of their problems and, therefore, as a target of their wrath.

Behind all of this discontent, of course, are real problems. The economic crisis in America did not just begin with the collapse of the financial sector in the fall of 2008. For years now, the US economy has undergone a steady transformation. The loss of our manufacturing base has resulted in dramatic social dislocation evidenced by the collapse of many once prosperous and stable communities. As factories closed, not only were jobs lost and economic security threatened, but people were forced to move, neighborhoods died and families were at risk.

All during the 1990's, despite gains on Wall Street, many middle class Americans were squeezed. Real incomes declined, costs of health care, education and basic commodities rose, resulting not only in a declining standard of living for many, but, for the 1st time in American history, a significant portion of the middle class began to question whether their children would be able to achieve the same economic status as their parents.

The trauma of 9/11 and Katrina presented a double jolt, shaking to an even greater degree American's sense of security and their confidence in the government's ability to perform.

Add to this a nativist/racist current, fueled by large numbers of immigrants from the south and fear of new foreigners (especially, after 9/11, Muslims) and the persistent presence of anti-black sentiment, and you have the ingredients of the lethal brew that is now coming to a boil.

All of this, however, did not erupt spontaneously, it was helped, fueled by fires set by those who sought, in ways subtle and not so subtle, to exploit the fears afoot across the land. Radical talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage, Fox News and even CNN's Lou Dobbs exploited these issues -- as did President George W. Bush's political adviser, Karl Rove, who used it for electoral success. Even Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign playbook tapped into these currents, as did the McCain/Palin campaign strategists.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:43 PM
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1. The children of Father Coughlin's fans....
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:51 PM
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2. Is it James or John Zogby that does the bullshit polls?
nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:11 PM
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5. John
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:18 PM
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6. John (James' brother) is president of Zogby International. James is a senior analyst there.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:51 PM
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16. I was a Zogby pollster when I lived in Utica.
I witnessed his system. I worked for the man. I get really tired of the constant bullshit accusations around here that there's something inherently corrupt about Zogby. The people working at his call center on Genessee Street are mostly good New York liberals, not right-wing hacks. We worked our asses off to get good data.

You want better results? Then tell the liberal folks in California to stop hanging up on us. The fact is that the people who were most willing to take the time out of their day and answer our poll questions were stay-at-home Moms in Orange County, and you can guess what kind of answers we got from them. We can't pick and choose by ideology during a random poll--we get a set number of California responses assigned, and if conservatives are more likely than liberals to answer poll questions, there's nothing we can do about that. We aren't allowed to stray from the script, so I couldn't say "Hey busy California liberal--this poll is the kind of poll that shows up on TV and gauges the political nuance of the nation, so you might want to think twice before telling me that you don't have time for this 'crap' and hanging up."

Honestly, ALL pollsters have this issue. You wouldn't believe how important the voices of young California professionals are--a group that definitely leans left. And yet, they are the LEAST likely to complete a poll. It's frustrating as hell. If you've ever wondered why so many polls seem to under-represent liberal voices, well, that's one reason why.

I know that people HERE would always answer polls, but if we could convince our less-politically-obsessed liberal friends and family members of how important these polls are, all polling data would be a lot more accurate.

This is one reason why I, personally, never take nationwide polls at face value. I always add a few points to the liberal side when I'm considering anything that includes West Coast data. Regional polls of the Northeast are probably the MOST accurate overall, because those people have a greater sense of political duty and are more likely to answer polls in general no matter what their political orientation.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:58 PM
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3. "it bodes ill for our future"
If we are not careful and understanding, and if we do not start now, both to address this troubling anger and alienation, and to hold accountable those who are stoking the embers of discontent, we could end up in the throes of a full-fledged nativist siege that could tear apart the fabric of our nation.


And this has to begin -if at all, with media de-consolidation and re-regulation.



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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:00 PM
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4. We have a "family emergency" tonight over all this shit.
Limbaugh and his ilk have talked my uncle into thinking he is going to be euthanized shortly. He has sent numerous emails to my mother and other family members. He is freaking out!

He is also on the Kenya garbage of course.

My mother is trying to chill his ass, but he won't hear it. He thinks its all lies.

I don't know what to say or show him? He will just call back and say she is crazy. Its just a living will for fucks sake, correct?

These motherfuckers are doing their job well. They have the nation turned on its damn head :(

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:20 PM
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8. There isn't much you can do.
But he will probably feel silly when nobody ever shows up at his house to put him to sleep.
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:29 PM
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11. I hate that these bastards got my uncle, and anyone like him stressed
He survived a cancer scare quite a few years ago. I'd rather not have him this emotional.

I thought about going over there and offering him a joint :) But that's not medicinal at all, right? :)
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:20 PM
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9. Take him to an ER
and get him a sedative. I am not kidding. Someone who is hysterical and won't listen to reason needs medical attention.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:40 PM
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13. Well, he's clearly not going to be euthanized...
So unless you're afraid that he's going to shoot some place up, he'll hopefully figure out it's all bullshit sooner or later.

I doubt there's anything you could say to him to convince him otherwise.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:19 PM
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7. "All during the 1990's, despite gains on Wall Street, many middle class Americans were squeezed."???
And not the 1980's and the first eight years of this century?

:shrug:

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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:25 PM
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10. Uh huh. Funny how the radical right doesn't
"identify 'government' as a source of their problems and the target of their wrath" when they control the WH and Congress.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:31 PM
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12. These people are the same
who were the "Sagebrush Rebellion," and the "Freemen." Plus southern oldguard military fetishists. All stoked up together with the right wing hate machine.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:45 PM
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14. Two common denominators: Hypocrisy & Ignorance
Zogby's assertions contain some truth as far as they go, but IMO it is ignorance--right wing windbags taking advantage of it--and hypocrisy that are driving the unprecedented crap we are seeing today.

These hypocrites didn't say a word when their hero George W and his friends exponentially increased government power and rammed through laws that infringe on the rights of the people. If they really think of "government as the source of their problems," where the hell were they the last eight years? It is the very people who remained mum when the * administration failed miserably to respond to Katrina that are loudest hate-spewing teabaggers today. To claim that somehow the failures of the Katrina response motivated these ignorant people is, well, ignorant.

Deep down, the unprecedented disrespect of the far right has nothing to do with caring about a broken government. It's racist fueled ignorance and an inability to cope with the idea that Karl Rove's "permanent conservative majority" failed when the vast middle finally stopped falling for the fear campaign and figured out the GOP bullshit. Their ship has sailed and that's why they are so desperate.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:25 PM
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15. When you don't do anything about the JFK coup which was actually an
attack on "people's" government -- and you don't do anything about all of the political

violence by the right over decades -- MLK, RFK and many others -- then this is where you

end up.

When you don't do anything about "pro-life" murderers inspired by the likes of Randall

Terry and "Christianity" -- and you don't do anything about GOP-sponsored fascist rallies

which STOPPED the vote counting in Miami-Dade County mandated by the Florida State Supreme

Court . . . this is where you end up!

When you don't do anything about Campaign Finance BRIBERY, this is where you end up!

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:45 AM
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17. BINGO Thread over !
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ControlledDemolition Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:48 AM
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18. JFK's assassination is the 'Rosetta Stone' in understanding today's mess! n/t
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