*** Bradblog LIVE BLOGGING Sibel Edmonds deposition ***

[annabanana]

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7347

latest update:

8:40am PT (11:40am ET): During a break, Edmonds and the attorneys stepped outside.
DoJ still a no-show, so the questioning has proceeded, and Edmonds has been able to say "everything that she hasn't been able to say so far, implicating many members of Congress in a criminal conspiracy," according to interviews with Fein and others.
Edmonds' attorney, Michael Kohn said: "The Justice Department decided not to show. Therefore, the deposition has gone much more smoothly than we had anticipated."
Edmonds told me in a brief phone conversation during the break: "Bruce Fein is raising objections to everything", though that's to be expected. She said she's been asked, and has answered, questions on Dan Burton (R-IN), Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Stephen Solarz (D-NY), and other questions on those high-ranking officials and lobbyists in her "State Secrets Gallery".
She added that "somebody said the FBI was given the wrong time, for 11:30 instead of 10:30", though she didn't see how that could be, given that the time for the start of the deposition has been well publicized. In any case, it's now 11:45am ET, so we'll see if they showed up during this break. They have now gone back into session...

The DoJ is not (so far) present or evoking the State Secrets Act

She is answering all questions

[annabanana]

1. DAMN. . this board is FLYING today!

I haven't seen it this fast since the elections...

[wildbilln864]

2. thank you anna. nt

[mmonk]

3. Thanks for posting. Everything is looking good.

[annabanana]

4. 12:41 ET update:

9:41am PT (12:41pm ET): Another break...Edmonds still being questioned under direct. Fein believes his questioning cross-examination will last an hour or so once he begins. They will not be breaking for lunch. DoJ/FBI still did not show up.

The deposition is being videotaped and Edmonds hopes that it can be released as soon as possible after the deposition, though there has been some objections about releasing the video tape...

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. I never thought I would see this day!

It's just a first step. The next step is to see everything she said published in a mainstream press.

[HamdenRice]

6. AG Holder lifted the gag order on John Walker Lindh so maybe this is an indication of things to come

[FourScore]

47. I didn't hear about that.

That's great news.

[helderheid]

7. thank you!

[tiptoe]

8. K & R nt

[lukery]

9. TEASER

Brad: "10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow... just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds' testimony. Just wow... coming momentarily..."

[sce56]

10. Now how do we get the MSM to play this story? Olbermann or Maddow? K&R n/t

[lukery]

11. Don't ask me!

I've failed at it for how many years now???

[sce56]

33. The information suppression is still in full swing

We did not find results for David Krikorian vs Jean Schmidt lawsuit.

Also try:

- Check your spelling.
- Try more general words.
- Try different words that mean the same thing.
- Try asking a question on Yahoo! Answers.
- Broaden your search by using fewer words.

Hopefully Amy will pickup this story if it gets on DemocracyNow it has better chances of growing wings

[Tuesday_Morning]

62. yeah but

you're still a hero.

[Kaleko]

12. We can start by digging up the BradBlog...

http://digg.com/politics/LIVE_BLOG_Deposition_of_Sibel_Edmonds_Underway_DoJ_a_No_S

[Moochy]

30. Digged

Dug?

[Kaleko]

37. Dugg is what the Digg calls it, lol.

Come on, DU, leave some comments and rate the other comments up. It's the least we can do.

http://digg.com/politics/LIVE_BLOG_Deposition_of_Sibel_Edmonds_Underway_DoJ_a_No_S

[H2O Man]

42. We can e-mail them.

If a number of us do, with information and links, they will take note. The only questions will be if/how MSNBC will allow them to report on it.

[troubledamerican]

53. Imagine Olbermann/Maddow forced to report that

Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Harman, and other Dems are involved in selling nuclear secrets via Ergenekon, money laundering, narcotics trafficking from Afghanistan around Iran to Turkey (and that's the real reason everybody wants to bomb Iran), and weapons distribution...

Ruh-roh.

[jbnow]

91. I missed knowing that. I knew about Dennis Hastert (who now even lobbies for Turkey

as Sibel predicted). I knew there were others but those names are surprising me.

that list of accusations would shocking
How do they disguise their financial gain? Part of the money laubdering?
Those that corrupt should be outed but how could they be led to do so? They are hardly starving.

If it's true how confident they must be that they can get away with anything.

better go ask google and catch up

[SpiralHawk]

94. "Smirk." - xVP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)

http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R2ljCb4wenI/AAAAAAAAJ4g/Q2uxXpaFdFQ/s400/cheney+smirk.JPG

[dgibby]

99. Forwarded to Rachel.

Hope she'll use it.

[Gregorian]

13. Something happened. It sounds like unleashed words were let loose.

Maybe a silent DOJ speaks volumes?

[lukery]

14. Either that...

Or Sibel outplayed them...

Or, we havent seen the last of it.

[sce56]

36. Yep but the thing that is not happening is MSM coverage of this story!

[AntiFascist]

41. Why hasn't Lou Dobbs been covering this?

(rhetorical sarcasm) foreign infiltration of the government should be right up his alley.

[JBoy]

50. Good point. He could actually redeem himself a bit by latching onto this.

[mvd]

15. K&R

Keep us updated.

[WillyT]

16. Can't Wait For The Next Update... K & R !!!

:woohoo:

:kick:

[cascadiance]

19. Here it is... (or part of it)!

10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow... just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds' testimony. Just wow... coming momentarily...

Spoke to Edmonds, who says she's "tired, gotta put some sugar into her system", but that she's satisfied with what's being put on the record so far. "Things we have never discussed outside before".

A lengthy conversation then, with Krikorian, may give you some idea of what she's referring to.

Here's Krikorian, directly quoted. Hang on to your seats...

"From my opinion, if I'm some of the current members of Congress, I'd be very very worried about the information that's going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It's not good. It's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don't take action against it, in my opinion, it's negligence.

(Which current members have been implicated?)

(Dan) Burton (R-IN), described as basically accepting bribes and involved in espionage for the Turkish government...she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.

Also, a current female Democratic member of Congress who has been blackmailed by the Turkish Government...called a 'hooking exercise'...she's apparently bi-sexual and they bugged her apartment, she's married with children, and they set up a relationship with another female who went in and had sexual relationships with her. And they had all the episodes bugged within this current Representatives home and they blackmailed her. ... She wouldn't give her name, but her photograph (is the one with the question mark on it in the "Sibel Edmonds Rogue Gallery" ) .

The context of the discussion was that this particular Representative was amenable to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. And then based on this 'hooking' operation, changed her position. She was reluctant to put this person's name on record.

(Other people implicated included) Livingston (R-TX), Hastert (R-IL), Dick Gephardt (D-MO), other non-Congressional members, people like Brent Scowcroft, other appointed members of the U.S. government...

(More shortly...)

[cascadiance]

20. Ouch, looks like Brad removed this update as it is no longer there...

I guess we'll see a new version later?... Hope it wasn't a DOJ hacker "editing" it.

[helderheid]

21. oh wow

[cascadiance]

22. Here's the updated update...

... and as you can see, Brad being the honest journalist he is, didn't take anything out of this update, just added new stuff.

10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow... just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds' testimony. Just wow... coming momentarily...

Spoke to Edmonds, who says she's "tired, gotta put some sugar into her system", but that she's satisfied with what's being put on the record so far. "Things we have never discussed outside before".

A lengthy conversation then, with Krikorian, may give you some idea of what she's referring to.

Here's Krikorian, directly quoted. Hang on to your seats...

"From my opinion, if I'm some of the current members of Congress, I'd be very very worried about the information that's going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It's not good. It's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don't take action against it, in my opinion, it's negligence.

(Which current members have been implicated?)

(Dan) Burton (R-IN), described as basically accepting bribes and involved in espionage for the Turkish government...she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.

Also, a current female Democratic member of Congress who has been blackmailed by the Turkish Government...called a 'hooking exercise'...she's apparently bi-sexual and they bugged her apartment, she's married with children, and they set up a relationship with another female who went in and had sexual relationships with her. And they had all the episodes bugged within this current Representatives home and they blackmailed her. ... She wouldn't give her name, but her photograph (is the one with the question mark on it in the "Sibel Edmonds Rogue Gallery" ) .

The context of the discussion was that this particular Representative was amenable to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. And then based on this 'hooking' operation, changed her position. She was reluctant to put this person's name on record.

(Other people implicated included) Livingston (R-TX), Hastert (R-IL), Dick Gephardt (D-MO), other non-Congressional members, people like Brent Scowcroft, other appointed members of the U.S. government.

One of the reasons we sought her testimony is especially for these reasons. I can tell you that counsel for Schmidt has been objecting to much of the testimony. I stopped counting the number of objections that were raised. But, she's an extremely credible witness, she knows a lot about what happened. She's implicated Turkish organizations operating in the U.S. with both overt and covert operations.

(Q: Which ones?)

ATC, ATAA, TACO...She talked about how she was recruited to join these operations, she talked about the fact that the Inspector General's report exonerated her, she talked about the circumstances around her dismissal, she talked about the fact that these the fact that these Turkish American operations were, she said in her words 'all receiving support from the Turkish government'.

She talks about one of the main lobby issues is suppressing U.S. media coverage of the Armenian Genocide and preventing the Armenian Genocide resolution in Congress from passing. She said very very strongly that is one of their major issues.

She also attested there is no credible opposition to the historical facts of the Armenian genocide, that it's only coming from Turkey.

(Ed note: Edmonds was raised in Turkey, though is a U.S. citizen. Krikorian is of Armenian dissent. Schmidt is neither, but she is co-chair of the Congressional Turkish Caucus.)

Did not have very flattering things to say about former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert. ... Actually, I stopped taking notes because I was o fascinated by what she was saying. ... She talked about the Rand Corp., Brewster-Jennings, nuclear secrets...

Frankly it's disappointing that things like this are happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Is it a huge surprise? No. Should it be tolerated? Absolutely not. I can't imagine George Washington and Thomas Jefferson allowing this sort of thing to go on in the Republic that they created. I cannot imagine it.

We're talking about High Crimes against the United States government. If the Government is aware of these High Crimes and doesn't prosecute them, I'm not sure what can be said about this.

(More shortly...)

[lukery]

27. another update

"

Problem with Democrats...?

Well, Mr. Gephardt and Mr. Solarz are no longer Representatives of the U.S. House of Representatives. I think it would be extremely naive and the height of folly for the Democratic leadership to suggest for a moment that Democrats aren't also corrupt. I don't mean as an entirety, but that there aren't corrupt members of the Democrat caucus. I think there was a recent Democrat down south somewhere who was found with thirty thousand dollars cash in his freezer, or whatever.

If Democratic National Committee or the DCCC came out and said, 'hey, we're entirely clean and there's no fault on us', I think the American public would laugh at them. So, this is not an indictment of one party or the other. This is about standing up for what's right for the country, and what is right for the citizens of our country.

Again, I ran as an independent last time . I'm running as a Democrat because I think right now they're probably the better of the two parties. But nevertheless, I don't necessarily buy into the fact that they're without blood on their hands..."

"

[H2O Man]

40. So true.

Thank you for keeping this thread going, and providing us with this information.

[bertman]

81. Actually, Lukery, it was $90,000 in COLD CASH. Amazing how much money there is to

be made by a crooked politician.

And you're right that we Dems have our share of the "bad apples". It's big-money politics. That always draws flies.

[cascadiance]

29. Third update to the update...

Might be useful to see the progression of updates here (or maybe not...) Here's the next revision nontheless... Please go give Brad some page views though and don't rely on just my updates here...

10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow... just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds' testimony. Just wow... coming momentarily...

Spoke to Edmonds, who says she's "tired, gotta put some sugar into her system", but that she's satisfied with what's being put on the record so far. "Things we have never discussed outside before".

A lengthy conversation then, with Krikorian, may give you some idea of what she's referring to.

Here's Krikorian, directly quoted. Hang on to your seats...

"From my opinion, if I'm some of the current members of Congress, I'd be very very worried about the information that's going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It's not good. It's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don't take action against it, in my opinion, it's negligence.

(Which current members have been implicated?)

(Dan) Burton (R-IN), described as basically accepting bribes and involved in espionage for the Turkish government...she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.

Also, a current female Democratic member of Congress who has been blackmailed by the Turkish Government...called a 'hooking exercise'...she's apparently bi-sexual and they bugged her apartment, she's married with children, and they set up a relationship with another female who went in and had sexual relationships with her. And they had all the episodes bugged within this current Representatives home and they blackmailed her. ... She wouldn't give her name, but her photograph (is the one with the question mark on it in the "Sibel Edmonds Rogue Gallery" ).

The context of the discussion was that this particular Representative was amenable to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. And then based on this 'hooking' operation, changed her position. She was reluctant to put this person's name on record.

(Other people implicated included) Livingston (R-TX), Hastert (R-IL), Dick Gephardt (D-MO), other non-Congressional members, people like Brent Scowcroft, other appointed members of the U.S. government.

One of the reasons we sought her testimony is especially for these reasons. I can tell you that counsel for Schmidt has been objecting to much of the testimony. I stopped counting the number of objections that were raised. But, she's an extremely credible witness, she knows a lot about what happened. She's implicated Turkish organizations operating in the U.S. with both overt and covert operations.

(Q: Which ones?)

ATC, ATAA, TACO...She talked about how she was recruited to join these operations, she talked about the fact that the Inspector General's report exonerated her, she talked about the circumstances around her dismissal, she talked about the fact that these the fact that these Turkish American operations were, she said in her words 'all receiving support from the Turkish government'.

She talks about one of the main lobby issues is suppressing U.S. media coverage of the Armenian Genocide and preventing the Armenian Genocide resolution in Congress from passing. She said very very strongly that is one of their major issues.

She also attested there is no credible opposition to the historical facts of the Armenian genocide, that it's only coming from Turkey.

(Ed note: Edmonds was raised in Turkey, though is a U.S. citizen. Krikorian is of Armenian dissent. Schmidt is neither, but she is co-chair of the Congressional Turkish Caucus.)

Did not have very flattering things to say about former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert. ... Actually, I stopped taking notes because I was o fascinated by what she was saying. ... She talked about the Rand Corp., Brewster-Jennings, nuclear secrets...

Frankly it's disappointing that things like this are happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Is it a huge surprise? No. Should it be tolerated? Absolutely not. I can't imagine George Washington and Thomas Jefferson allowing this sort of thing to go on in the Republic that they created. I cannot imagine it.

We're talking about High Crimes against the United States government. If the Government is aware of these High Crimes and doesn't prosecute them, I'm not sure what can be said about this.

...

(Q: Did she implicate any sitting Democrats? Other than the unnamed female Representative?)

Not other than the unnamed female representative.

(Q: Do you predict problems with Democrats whose support you will need when running against Schmidt as a Dem in 2010?)

Problem with Democrats...?

Well, Mr. Gephardt and Mr. Solarz are no longer Representatives of the U.S. House of Representatives. I think it would be extremely naive and the height of folly for the Democratic leadership to suggest for a moment that Democrats aren't also corrupt. I don't mean as an entirety, but that there aren't corrupt members of the Democrat caucus. I think there was a recent Democrat down south somewhere who was found with thirty thousand dollars cash in his freezer, or whatever.

If Democratic National Committee or the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Comm.) came out and said, 'hey, we're entirely clean and there's no fault on us', I think the American public would laugh at them. So, this is not an indictment of one party or the other. This is about standing up for what's right for the country, and what is right for the citizens of our country.

Again, I ran as an independent last time (in 2008). I'm running as a Democrat (in 2010) because I think right now they're probably the better of the two parties. But nevertheless, I don't necessarily buy into the fact that they're without blood on their hands..."

(More shortly...)

[cascadiance]

34. Looks like the final update of this update...

Talks about releasing the videotape and perhaps a transcript at the end...

10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow... just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds' testimony. Just wow... coming momentarily...

Spoke to Edmonds, who says she's "tired, gotta put some sugar into her system", but that she's satisfied with what's being put on the record so far. "Things we have never discussed outside before".

A lengthy conversation then, with Krikorian, may give you some idea of what she's referring to.

Here's Krikorian, directly quoted. Hang on to your seats...

"From my opinion, if I'm some of the current members of Congress, I'd be very very worried about the information that's going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It's not good. It's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don't take action against it, in my opinion, it's negligence.

(Which current members have been implicated?)

(Dan) Burton (R-IN), described as basically accepting bribes and involved in espionage for the Turkish government...she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.

Also, a current female Democratic member of Congress who has been blackmailed by the Turkish Government...called a 'hooking exercise'...she's apparently bi-sexual and they bugged her apartment, she's married with children, and they set up a relationship with another female who went in and had sexual relationships with her. And they had all the episodes bugged within this current Representatives home and they blackmailed her. ... She wouldn't give her name, but her photograph (is the one with the question mark on it in the "Sibel Edmonds Rogue Gallery" ).

The context of the discussion was that this particular Representative was amenable to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. And then based on this 'hooking' operation, changed her position. She was reluctant to put this person's name on record.

(Other people implicated included) Livingston (R-TX), Hastert (R-IL), Dick Gephardt (D-MO), other non-Congressional members, people like Brent Scowcroft, other appointed members of the U.S. government.

One of the reasons we sought her testimony is especially for these reasons. I can tell you that counsel for Schmidt has been objecting to much of the testimony. I stopped counting the number of objections that were raised. But, she's an extremely credible witness, she knows a lot about what happened. She's implicated Turkish organizations operating in the U.S. with both overt and covert operations.

(Q: Which ones?)

ATC, ATAA, TACO...She talked about how she was recruited to join these operations, she talked about the fact that the Inspector General's report exonerated her, she talked about the circumstances around her dismissal, she talked about the fact that these the fact that these Turkish American operations were, she said in her words 'all receiving support from the Turkish government'.

She talks about one of the main lobby issues is suppressing U.S. media coverage of the Armenian Genocide and preventing the Armenian Genocide resolution in Congress from passing. She said very very strongly that is one of their major issues.

She also attested there is no credible opposition to the historical facts of the Armenian genocide, that it's only coming from Turkey.

(Ed note: Edmonds was raised in Turkey, though is a U.S. citizen. Krikorian is of Armenian dissent. Schmidt is neither, but she is co-chair of the Congressional Turkish Caucus.)

Did not have very flattering things to say about former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert. ... Actually, I stopped taking notes because I was o fascinated by what she was saying. ... She talked about the Rand Corp., Brewster-Jennings, nuclear secrets...

Frankly it's disappointing that things like this are happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Is it a huge surprise? No. Should it be tolerated? Absolutely not. I can't imagine George Washington and Thomas Jefferson allowing this sort of thing to go on in the Republic that they created. I cannot imagine it.

We're talking about High Crimes against the United States government. If the Government is aware of these High Crimes and doesn't prosecute them, I'm not sure what can be said about this.

...

(Q: Do you predict problems with Democrats whose support you will need when running against Schmidt as a Dem in 2010?)

Problem with Democrats...?

Well, Mr. Gephardt and Mr. Solarz are no longer Representatives of the U.S. House of Representatives. I think it would be extremely naive and the height of folly for the Democratic leadership to suggest for a moment that Democrats aren't also corrupt. I don't mean as an entirety, but that there aren't corrupt members of the Democrat caucus. I think there was a recent Democrat down south somewhere who was found with thirty thousand dollars cash in his freezer, or whatever.

If Democratic National Committee or the DCCC came out and said, 'hey, we're entirely clean and there's no fault on us', I think the American public would laugh at them. So, this is not an indictment of one party or the other. This is about standing up for what's right for the country, and what is right for the citizens of our country.

Again, I ran as an independent last time . I'm running as a Democrat because I think right now they're probably the better of the two parties. But nevertheless, I don't necessarily buy into the fact that they're without blood on their hands...

(Q: Did she implicate any sitting Democrats?)

She did not indicate any names of any currently serving Democrats that I'm aware. (Though he wasn't certain if the unnamed female Representative was either Democratic or Republican).

Krikorian went on to say that he expects to release the video of the deposition, which, along with the transcript, is the property of his legal team. says "There will be...This could be a 10 part YouTube video segment, that we'll put out there."

He doesn't yet know when a transcript will be available.

The cross-testimony of Edmonds, by Schmidt's attorney Fein is still in progress...

[rhett o rick]

17. Very important. k & r

[tanyev]

18. Kick.

[Dinger]

23. I Still Have Hope

We'll see how long it lasts. I'll be keeping my eye on this.

[AntiFascist]

24. K&R ! n/t

[Parker CA]

25. K&R

[Occulus]

26. K&R n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. K&R!

[PatSeg]

31. K&R

[Mithreal]

32. K&R nt

[Uncle Joe]

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, annabanana.:thumbsup:

[crazylikafox]

38. k&r

[H2O Man]

39. Thank you.

Recommended, and much appreciated.

[loudsue]

43. Kickin' & R'rin. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting on this one!

:kick:

[Jack Rabbit]

44. I guess I'd better pop some corn and get over there

:popcorn:

[FourScore]

45. Thank you Brad and Sibel! k/r n/t

[lukery]

46. Mark Geragos

Mark Geragos is tweeting from the deposition - pointing to BradBlog!

http://twitter.com/markgeragos/statuses/3196593536

[lukery]

48. Proceedings over

Brad: "12:24pm PT (3:24pm ET) Apparently the proceedings are now wrapping up. It's believed that Edmonds and Krikorian and the attorneys will speak to whatever media is outside the NWC. Will cover..."

[malaise]

49. Thanks annabanana

K & R

[troubledamerican]

51. "Implicating many members of Congress"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMy3xylXS9k

[cascadiance]

52. Someone is speculating that the unnamed representative is Jane Harman...

Though I'm no fan of Harman at all, with her being such a big target for the AIPAC stuff, etc. earlier, I'm wondering why someone might not have "exposed" this earlier if true. But we'll just have to wait and see.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/

But if true, that might explain Waxman's resistance to move forward to have her testify. Harman being in an adjacent district to Waxman might have a hard time of it if he exposed her through a hearing with Sibel...

[lukery]

56. Not Harman

from my comment at bradblog - http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7347#comment-404312

" I'm pretty sure it's not (Harman). If my memory serves, in Sibel's recent interview of Russ Tice, Sibel says something along the lines that she took some whistleblower cases to Harman. She would not have done that if she knew that Harman was being bribed."

[sce56]

59. Maybe not for these reasons but Harmon is a stoge of the MIC look at her district I know I used to

live there among the Raytheons Boeing Grumman factories all around LA AFB. She is also the one that wrote the Domestic Terrorist bill that can be used to lock you up for protesting against the Govt!

[Grinchie]

73. Just for old times sake, take a look at the northern end of San Clemente Island

It's directly south of Santa Catalina Island off the coast of Los Angeles.


Why is there a 2 mile long runway on the northern tip of this entirely military controlled Island?

Why is the northern tip blocked out with clouds when you Zoom in?

Why does the Military want to build it's own 2 mile long runway for touch and go landings in the tourist town Kailua-Kona at Keahole Airport on the Big Islnad of Hawaii when they have facilities within a 10 minute flight from March AFB in San Bernardino?

The answer? Pork Pork Pork Pork, or in Hawaii's case, Spam, Spam , Spam, Spam.

[laconicsax]

80. ...because the military controls the weather?

I mean, what other explanation could there possibly be for a cloud over a military installation?

"Why is there a 2 mile long runway on the northern tip of this entirely military controlled Island?"

I dunno, maybe to fly stuff in? Maybe to be used as an auxiliary landing field? Maybe to be used for carrier landing practice?

"Why does the Military want to build it's own 2 mile long runway for touch and go landings in the tourist town Kailua-Kona at Keahole Airport on the Big Islnad of Hawaii when they have facilities within a 10 minute flight from March AFB in San Bernardino?"

March AFB is in California. California is about 2,000 miles from Hawaii. Is it possible that 2,000 miles is a long way to go for pilots to practice touch-and-go landings if they're stationed in Hawaii?

[Grinchie]

89. The Air National Guard Flies to Hawaii for training all the time.

From March AFB no less.. I know, because I've talked to them on many occasions.

They have plenty of airbases in Miramar, right next to the Carriers even.

My point is that we have a great many installations already built instead of squandering even more money down a bottomless rathole of Black money. The military has many Abandoned bases growing weeds, plus they have these other, well hidden facilities, that unfortunately, when you fly over them at night, look like a suburb of Los Angeles.

The funny thinng about the blackout of San Clemente, is that the airfield shows up better on www.bing.com, while google was the first to hide this facility.

It's not like we don't know it's there, especially when Area 51 is crystal clear.

The secrecy is not for security, it's for hiding the incredible waste the Military gets away with. There is no catalog of facilities, and everything must be brand spanking new all the time, instead of recycling old facilities.

Alameda Naval Air Station is s disgrace to the Navy, especially in the rotting, polluted, decaying and neglected state the base is now in. I don't know about you, but when I look at the 1600 acres of unused, fully developed land that lies rotten, I become infuriated that Americans are so stupid as to let the Military get away with this thievery.

However, it sounds like you take a shallow view of the Military spending, and regard it as benign, without looking at the big picture.

Maybe they just don't want to see the lumbering C-17's loitering around Cataline and reminding them how much money they are burning up when they could be in a trainer somewhere. Not enough people vacationing in paradise to worry about so why not just circle around at sea level in the middle of the pacific, where the fuel is more expensive, the Hospitals are ill equipped, and the Senators roll over to the Military like dog's waiting for their belly to be scratched.

[dorkulon]

60. Harman did oppose the Armenian genocide bill after she supported it.

And it was fairly inexplicable.

[sce56]

61. Are there any other candidates for the Blackmailed Congress womens ID? n/t

[dorkulon]

63. Anna Eshoo was one of four co-sponsors who asked Pelosi to delay the bill.

Just looking at which D-females switched on it, and so far it's Harman and Eshoo.

[Bolo Boffin]

88. Anna Eshoo is of Armenian descent.

And she's also divorced from her husband. I can't find a date on when it occurred.

If it's her, it would be particularly awful since this was about denying the Armenian genocide. Her public career will be OVER over.

[JackBeck]

65. Comment #61 says that Wayne Madsen is claiming it's Jan Schakowsy.

Although when I went to his website, I was unable to find any info. It could be posted in the forums, which is off limits to non-members.

[Gabi Hayes]

68. this is sickening, if true:

The identity of the House member in question was not revealed during the deposition by Edmonds. However, WMR has learned from another informed source that it is Representative Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a strong supporter of AIPAC and Israel and a close political ally of President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7055

that said, Madsen has been cited as being a very 'erratic' source, IIRC, so I hope he's wrong on this part

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=wayne+madsen+credibility+DU&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&sa=Search&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

lots and lots of issues with him

didn't he get cited at one point as a site that was no longer considered credible, therefor not linkable? if I'm wrong, please advise, cause I've believed lots of what I've read of his....some other, not so much

[Gabi Hayes]

69. so, how did she end up voting? how do you find that stuff? doesn't look too good if she changed:

Earlier this month, the Armenian National Committee of Illinois and Armenian Americans around the nation welcomed Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL-9) to the Armenian Caucus. As Illinois representation in the Armenian Caucus continues to grow rapidly, Schakowsky joins over 140 of her fellow colleagues who are part of this bipartisan committee.

Congresswoman Schakowsky’s district contains the greatest number of Armenians living in Illinois. Recently, members of the ANC of Illinois met with Congresswoman Schakowky to discuss several issues of importance of the Armenian American community, including H. Res 106, the Armenian Genocide Resolution. Ari Killian, Chairman of the ANC of Illinois stated, "We welcome the Congresswoman’s decision to sign on to the Armenian Caucus. With the growing number of Armenians living in her district, we look forward to continuing to build our relationship."

"I am honored to join the bipartisan Congressional Caucus on Armenian Issues. Over the last twelve years, the Armenian Caucus has been instrumental in raising political awareness in this country about the issues that affect the Armenian people," said US Representative Jan Schakowsky. "As a new member of the Caucus, I look forward to working with my colleagues to address the issues and concerns of the Armenian-American community in my district."

http://eafjd.eu/spip.php?breve351

[Gabi Hayes]

71. so I've been looking ever since the above post, and it seems it never had a vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_resolution_on_Armenian_genocide#Current_status

pelosi pulled it because she didn't think it would pass, due to 21 members pulling their sponsorship

can't find who those people were. I found one list of 11, but she wasn't on it

[JackBeck]

72. Yup. This non-binding resolution has yet to come up from a vote, but did make it out of committee.

[Gabi Hayes]

74. saw that...and it's been since fall of 07, right? from what I've read it's been tabled since then

do you know how to find out who the 21 critters were who dropped their sponsorship?

I couldn't find a list, and gave up after minutes and minutes of grueling fingertapping

thx

[dorkulon]

75. CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION FROM EDMONDS

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION FROM EDMONDS, 4:26pm PT (7:26pm ET): After reviewing our coverage, Edmonds clarifies that she did not discuss the specific voting record of the Congresswoman in question discussed above, because she didn't, and still doesn't, know her record on that particular issue. As Krikorian's quote above may have been inadvertently misleading on that point, she wanted to correct that record. - BF

[Gabi Hayes]

76. not good for credibility. going to be used against her, regardless of

circumstances of quote. it's out there, forever, and you know those who wish her ill will very happily use it to damage her as much as possible

not that it matters, if the story about the taping, etc., are true

how is she going to prove these allegations?

I assume she has some sort of corroborative evidence?

I sure hope so

btw, I hold both Sibel and Schakowsky in highest regard (I was hoping she'd run for Obama's senate seat). Kirk, the pugass who's running, is my own congressman, and I loathe that smooth-talking former Navy intel operative

[dorkulon]

78. It's no fault of hers if Krikorian got her testimony wrong.

Anyhow, assuming it is someone who flipped her position on the Genocide bill, it could also be Anna Eshoo: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-25-3712006186_x.htm

[Gabi Hayes]

84. understood, clearly. but that won't make any difference. do you think

those that want to see her shut up won't use it against her?

I hope youre right about the other person, though, either, way, if true, it's going to be sad. too bad it's not a republican

couldn't find anything on her besides her support for the res back in 07

[valerief]

86. self delete, wrong spot

[jbnow]

98. It's actually been on the table years longer but we know

This is from the Armenian National Committee in August 2000, the bill already existed. Pf course we do know about Hastert

Thank Speaker Hastert for pledge to bring Armenian Genocide Resolution to a vote this month

In a major development this week, Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, stated that it was his intent to bring the Armenian Genocide Resolution to a vote on the House floor in September.

During an August 26th meeting with Armenian American community leaders arranged by Congressman Jim Rogan (R-CA), the Speaker voiced his support for the legislation, noting that it is his "intent to carry it to the floor."

The Armenian Genocide Resolution, H.Res.398, calls upon the President to ensure that U.S. diplomats dealing with human rights are educated about the Armenian Genocide, and urges the President to properly characterize the Armenian Genocide as genocide in the President's annual April 24th address.

Then SPEAKER HASTERT WITHDRAWS ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RESOLUTION

Citing Clinton Administration Claims that its Consideration Would Threaten American Lives, Speaker Withdraws Measure Only Moments before Adoption by House

Washington, DC -- Citing claims by President Clinton that the consideration of the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.596) would endanger American lives, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert today broke his pledge to bring the measure to the House floor, acceding to the President's request that he withdraw the resolution. This action was taken only moments before the resolution was to come to the House floor for a vote, reported the H.Res.596 Committee.

To be honest I am confused why this would be such a big thing to be the subject of blackmail and bribes by Turkey Are they just worried about their historical reputation? Would their be big money Turkey would have to pay out if it was admitted to be a genocide and would our resolution somehow pressure Turkey? It happened in 1915 so the guilty parties are not still around.

[valerief]

87. Kilpatrick pulled her support and she's a Dem congresswoman

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/17/nation/na-genoc...

Is Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick the congresswoman?

*****************************

House member ... Date withdrew

Bobby Jindal (R-La.)...Jan. 31

Dennis Moore (D-Kan.)...March 13

Phil English (R-Pa.)....March 15

David Scott (D-Ga.)............................April 18

Dan Boren (D-Okla.)...........................May 2

Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.).....................June 27

Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)......................June 28

Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.)......................Oct. 2

John Shimkus (R-Ill.)..........................Oct. 4

Henry Cuellar (D-Texas).....................Oct. 9

Marion Berry (D-Ark.)..........................Oct. 15

Sanford D. Bishop Jr. (D-Ga.)..............Oct. 15

Allen Boyd (D-Fla.).............................Oct. 15

Lincoln Davis (D-Tenn.)......................Oct. 15

Wally Herger (R-Chico)...Oct. 15

Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Mich.)...Oct. 15

Mike Ross (D-Ark.)...Oct. 15

Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.)...Oct. 16

Tim Holden (D-Pa.) ...Oct. 16

Hank Johnson (D-Ga.)...Oct. 16

Harry E. Mitchell (D-Ariz.)...Oct. 16

Source: Library of Congress

[valerief]

100. Nope. Wrong year.

[rucognizant]

97. Wayne Madsen........

Everything I have read there has proved to be true! (for 6 years)

[troubledamerican]

67. Very interesting. Thanks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. Thank you dear Annabanana for keeping us informed! BTW!!! If anyone wants to follow

Sibel on Twitter,
http://Twitter.com/sibeledmonds

:hi:

[HillWilliam]

55. K&R and off to read the side-links n/t

[alfredo]

57. An Armenian kick

[cascadiance]

58. I've posted a summary links index thread on the "Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers" group...

To summarize the last few weeks of posts that lead up to this eventful day. Feel free to add other links to that page if you like. Might add a little later an index of external web site links to that thread as well (Brad Blog, etc.). Rec it up to help give this group some visibility and have a way to help more people look back into time as to why she's so important to us if and when Sibel's journey starts finally getting the attention it deserves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=344x186

[Iwillnevergiveup]

64. Big K&R

after I finally got educated on this whole unbelievable story. But would this be BRUCE Fein representing Schmidt??? If so, that's a huge disappointment.

[MagickMuffin]

66. Here's to Sibel and her finally getting to speak out

:kick: & RRRRRRRR

[Bonhomme Richard]

70. I think this is all about Obama now playing hardball with the repugs. n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

77. man, I hope you're right. it's amazing that DOJ didn't show up to squelch her,

particularly because they're trying to preserve States' Secrets before the SCOTUS right now.

[democrank]

79. K & R

[starroute]

82. I'd love to see this stuff catch up with Dan Burton

I checked around on Burton when Sibel's stuff was first coming out in the form of hints and indirect indications and found 30 years worth of pure-quill crap.

In the 70's, even before being elected to Congress, Burton co-founded the far-right Republic Study Committee along with Ed Feulner of the Heritage Foundation.

In the 80's he was involved with Jesse Helms in a lot of far-right anti-communist activity. For example, both of them were members of Jack Abramoff's International Freedom Foundation. They were also both members of the Council for National Policy (as was Abramoff).

In the 90's, he was helping out Reverend Moon -- who was associated with many of the same anti-communist groups that Helms had ties to -- in company with Gary Jarmin (another CNP member).

http://www.nhne.com/misc/sunmyungmoon.html

In 1994, Congress passed a measure creating a new national holiday called "Parents Day," which falls on the fourth Sunday in July. Moon ally Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) spearheaded the drive, insisting the day was only intended to honor hard-working parents. Critics noted, however, that Moon and his wife call themselves the "True Parents" of mankind and that a longtime Moon operative in Washington, Gary Jarmin, did much of the legwork for Burton to get "Parents Day" enacted into law.

Then there was the Helms-Burton Amendment in 1996, directed against Cuba.

In the 90's, Burton and Helms both became staunch allies of Turkey. Burton and Bob Livingston got repeated political donations from Doug Feith in the early 90's, when Feith was a lobbyist for Turkey -- and in 1996 both opposed an effort in the House to reduce economic aid to Turkey from $25 million to $3 million unless it recognized the Armenian genocide. Burton also opposed the 2000 Armenian Genocide Resolution.

I also found something interesting involving a woman named Lydia Borland -- a consultant for the Livingston Group who was also deputy executive director of the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce,the Washington representative of the Turkish U.S. Business Council, an executive committee member of the American Turkish Council, and a participant along with Livingston in the December 2004 convention of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations. (I'm posting at length because this may get scrubbed -- I hope that's okay.)

http://soksa.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E24B9E434244417D!232.entry

Please support Cong. Dan Burton to be the House International Relations Committee Chair

Cong. Dan Burton has been consistently a most reliable friend of Turkey and a key member of the Turkish Caucus.

In 2006, Cong Burton is aiming to be the Chair of the House International Relations Committee, but he needs our support.

This is a key position in the House and it will be a tremendous development in favor of the Turks.

(If anybody remembers the so called Armenian genocide resolution hearings of this committee in 2000 and the extremely unfair attacks against the Turks by the committee members, one can realize the significance of having Cong Burton as the chair.

(Other potential candidates indicate disaster for Turkey: Cong. Ed Royce, Cong. Chris Smith, Cong. Ros-Lehtinen--all three are known for their irrational and nasty attacks on Turkey).

There is a fund raising breakfast for Cong Burton on June 9.

We are asking all Turkish Americans and friends to contribute to this fund raiser.

No corporate checks are accepted. Citizens and green card holders can contribute.

Please make your checks "Hoosier Pac" and mail them to Lydia Borland, at

2816 38th Street NW, Washington, DC 20007 without delay.

Please make sure to write "Turkish American or Azeri American" supporter in the memo section.

Persons are welcome to attend this breakfast and have a personal chat with Congressman Burton.

Please let Lydia know in advance. Thank you all for this proactive effort.

---------

Please Join The Honorable Bob Livingston For a Breakfast Honoring Congressman Dan Burton : Member of International Relations Committee, Member of Government Reform Committee

Thursday, June 9, 2005
8:30 – 9:30 a.m.
Offices of The Livingston Group
Gerald B.H. Solomon Conference Room
499 South Capitol Street, SW, Suite 600
Washington, D.C. 20003

Contributions $1000 PAC or Personal R.S.V.P. to Nancy Maxwell - [email protected]

PHONE [phone]
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Please make checks payable:

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In Memo section of check please write: Livingston Group event

[Roland99]

85. I'm dying for Fat Bastard Hastert to get what he has coming!

[cascadiance]

92. Denny wil have his day I think...

Here's a pic of the "Fat Bastert" for your enjoyment.

[Roland99]

95. enjoyment?!?!?

Ack!!

lol!

[defendandprotect]

83. k

[eridani]

90. So, if Brewster Jennings was down for the count before 2001--

--wotthehell was Valerie Plame actually doing at the time?

"Basically," she said, "I told them how Marc Grossman disclosed" that Brewster Jennings was a CIA front company] to the target of an FBI investigation. "And it was under oath and that some some lives may have been lost."

"Novak has nothing to do with it. Wilson has nothing to do with it. Valerie Plame has nothing to do with it. The whole operation has to do with something totally different and it had to do with the American Turkish Council and the Turkish clients who were about to hire Brewster Jennings as an analyst ... and Grossman found out about it, and tipped off his diplomatic contact who was a target of the FBI counter-intelligence, and that person notified the ISI , etc."
She says that Brewster Jenning was then "dismantled as soon as the FBI notified the CIA" after which "FBI requested CIA to do a damage assessment, to see if lives would be lost."

All of this, she re-iterated was "long before, three years before" Novak outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in his newspaper column.

[cascadiance]

93. It would be interesting to hear what Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame had to say about this...

Perhaps there was some other spy operations that weren't disclosed that they were also doing at the time.

Perhaps this was all a big cover for Grossman earlier. And there are quite a few things that connect Wilson to Grossman. Here's one of a number of articles that connect these two floating on the web more than many out there would care to admit...

For some of us, we felt that the line of Valerie Plame being outed was just about getting revenge on Joseph Wilson, and not to shut down Brewster Jennings that she was in charge of at the time. Perhaps now it might have been more to confuse the masses as to when Brewster Jennings was actually exposed and shut down and the circumstances leading up to it.



http://yargb.blogspot.com/2006/04/wilson-grossman-connection.html

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640

[AntiFascist]

103. Here's what Valerie Plame said previously about Sibel Edmonds and the Media...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685

...

While Plame Wilson offered today that she has "no insight" into the story, other than what has been published by the Times, she joined Edmonds and other whistleblowers such as Daniel Ellsberg in her criticism of the U.S. mainstream media for failing to investigate and report on the story.

"I think it's very interesting that it's showing up across the pond and not here at all, in any of our newspapers," Plame Wilson said.

"It's fair to say that in general the American media has been extremely intimidated, it's been supine, and I think it's let the American people down," she explained, pointing to the run-up to the Iraq War when the U.S. media, "took simply what the Administration was dishing up and didn't question it, didn't analyze it, didn't go seek secondary sources. And look where we are today as a result of that."

[Lerkfish]

96. its possible Brewster Jennings is all that COULD be discussed publicy, being alread blown

[robertpaulsen]

101. What made my jaw drop was that Brewster Jennings was "dismantled" in 2001.

I knew about Marc Grossman blowing their cover then, but did not know that Brewster Jennings was "dismantled as soon as the FBI notified the CIA," after which "FBI requested CIA to do a damage assessment, to see if lives would be lost."

So to your question, what the hell was Valerie Plame actually doing?

I believe she was doing exactly what Joe Klein reported back in 2004: a "sting operation" regarding WMD trafficking. I believe she was doing this for the CIA up until her cover was blown on July 14, 2003. But with the Sibel Edmonds revelations we now know she was not doing this for Brewster Jennings & Associates during the period of late 2001 to July 2003.

This leaves two possibilities in my mind:

1. Valerie Plame was unaware of the dismantling of Brewster Jennings & Associates. (Highly unlikely)

2. Valerie Plame continued the work of Brewster Jennings & Associates under the name of a different cover company that was compromised by Novakula's column on July 14, 2003.

I think the second scenario is highly likely. Remember that there are large sections of Plame's book "Fair Game" that were redacted by the CIA. These redactions may contain clues about what really happened regarding this scenario.

[cascadiance]

104. Keep in mind also that Marc Grossman and Joseph Wilson went to the same school...

And there seem to be other connections between them too. Not completely clear what their relationship was, but I think that would be something else to look more closely at in the coming weeks, to help sort out if Grossman committed treason, and this was an elaborate coverup to protect him, Brewster Jennings itself was a "front" for an elaborate disinformation campaign that even Sibel got caught in (and wss perhaps being used to perpetuate), or something else altogether different.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640

Its really hard to tell whether some really criminal acts were committed (which the "cover story" if in fact it is one, would seem to indicate), or something else. It's hard to know how to demand this should be investigated, without potentially jeopardizing any further compromising other operations in the field that still are active and not "exposed".

[robertpaulsen]

105. Damn! Same school, graduated same year, same State Department!

There are still a lot more pieces of puzzle we need before we get a truly clear picture, but this really helps validate my suspicions of what the cover-up is really about: protecting the Deep State. And Grossman's treason is perfectly permissible if it is in the service of the Deep State. Outing Brewster Jennings was treason. Doing so to protect financial, military and/or intelligence interests with Turkey is permissible.

But you raise an interesting possibility: perhaps Brewster Jennings was a "front" for something else that is still classified. It's quite possible that the "real" Brewster Jennings lived on in the CIA under a different name, and a "front" Brewster Jennings that called itself Brewster Jennings continued on after Grossman blew their cover up until 2003 when Cheney blew Plame's cover. But was the "front" Brewster Jennings benign, or did it exist to undermine the actions of the "real" Brewster Jennings in service of the Deep State?

One more tantalizing possibility: is it possible Wilson and/or Grossman are not really State Department? Just a thought, probably because I recently read The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Prouty. Perhaps with their deep connections with the intelligence community, one or both of them may have been "sheep-dipped", perhaps prior to graduation from UCSB. Of the two, I would bet more on Grossman, his actions reek of Secret Team motivations.

Thanks for that link, cascadiance! The deeper I go down the rabbit hole, the weirder reality is.

[cascadiance]

106. Yeah, it makes you wonder if trying to dig too much will harm something that maybe is useful...

... behind the scenes. But then again, part of you wonders it that entity is being totally screwd up by some of these individuals not being trustworthy or worse.

That's why I think it is so important as a lesson learned that we need to have people we trust in these high positions of authority over our secret operations. All it takes is a few bad apples in there to really screw things up, or make it look like they're screwed up, and in order to fix things, we might screw other things up in the process.

[faithnotgreed]

102. love seeing this back on the front page

where it should be