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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:24 AM
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Anyone watch "Whale Wars"
Pretty dramatic stuff. Why are we letting Japan get away with slaughtering whales?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:26 AM
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1. Because we can't arm the whales. n/t
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:06 PM
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13. Do they really eat them? Why do they do this anyway?
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 12:06 PM by timeforpeace
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:56 PM
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17. They eat them, but the demand is so low for the meat, that much ends up in dog food. n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:27 AM
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2. My money's on Moby Dick.
Though Orca could come in from behind for an upset.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:29 AM
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3. It's all about money
we are killing the entire planet because of it.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:51 AM
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7. "We're consuming our eco-system for the profit of a few."
Quote from some eco-documentary I watched.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:32 AM
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4. The same reason we allow the Inuit to get away with slaughtering whales?
:shrug:

(And a few other tribes of Native Americans)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:34 PM
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:34 AM
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5. I saw the trailer ads on TV. I'm sure it would be much more
dramatic and more fun if the small inflatables were outfitted with torpedoes. Don't worry about the people on the whaling ship as they are so much more prolific than whales; a few going down with the ship is of no real concern. :evilgrin:
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:23 PM
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21. I agree...
But it's a waste of fresh meat that could be fed to hungry dogs around the world. Then again, they could harpoon a few Japanese tourists.. that might get some attention! :sarcasm:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:44 AM
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6. started watching only recently, and have tremendous respect and admiration . . .
for those folks, who are literally putting their lives on the line to prevent the killing of whales, even if it's one whale at a time . . . Japan should be severely sanctioned for what they're doing, particularly in a whale sanctuary, under the phoney flag of "research" . . .

I'd love to see the Sea Shepherd folks get ahold of some really advanced equipment, like maybe a retired Coast Guard cutter, a bigger chopper, and some safer and more stable auxiliary craft . . . but they're doing great work with what they have, and I wish them continued success is a least stemming the slaughter, if not stopping it altogether . . .

I'd like to see the international community come together and pressure Japan and the few other nations that take whales to stop the practice, once and for all . . . these are marvelous, sentient beings who deserve to live their lives in peace, not as potential targets for harpoons . . .
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:20 PM
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20. They need this... an Icebreaker, and some torpedos!
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:54 AM
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8. No, not into amatuer vigilantes.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:56 AM
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9. Only state sponsored? Eh?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:03 PM
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11. Is the crew of the Sea Shepard state-sponsored? Did you have a point?
Their so-called captain is an egotistical idiot, hopefully he will never get any of his crew killed performing the illegal acts he performs in International Waters.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:19 PM
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:29 PM
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22. I see...
And pointing an L-RAD at a helicopter isn't illegal? and ramming ships in mid ocean? And performing dangerous maneuvers in open ocean narrowly avoiding mid ocean collisions? Throwing bolts and other metal objects at civilians? Give your head a shake! Maybe you are in the wrong place here....
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:59 PM
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28. What about the illegal actions of the Japanese whaling fleet in international waters?
Do those crimes bug you as much? If not, why?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:01 PM
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36. Yes, they bug me, but
not to the point of performing illegal actions such as those committed by an egotistical captain. Maybe when he finally gets himself or his hands killed then you won't cheerlead for him so much.

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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:50 AM
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40. Those people are well aware of the dangers...
And they are aware that they may die to defend these great creatures, and they have agreed to that, and so Does Watson. Watson is one of the most selfless people on the planet, And I know I'm Breaking RULE # 1 here, but your defense is not of Japanese, but of a bunch of pirates that rape the Oceans for profit, not to feed people. I suppose you would agree with allowing people to hunt deer and wildlife here in America and sell the meat for profit, and whatever they don't sell, grind it up and sell as dog food, and some day your grand children sit on your knee and ask what an Elk is, or what a Whale is. Yeah, buddy, lets clean the planet of everything.... your point is stupid and idiotic to defend these morons. They should, in my opinion, be sent to the bottom of the ocean screaming and burning.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:02 PM
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10. We watch.
It's like watching a train wreck. The Sea Shepard crew break maritime laws and endanger their lives and the lives of others in the process. Save the whales...OK, but follow the laws while you do it. Diplomacy and education would better serve the cause of the whales IMO.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:06 PM
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12. You put that very well.
There are also legal means to use such as approaching the flagged country of the whale ships with their concerns, but that would not garner donations of money to fill the fuel tanks of the Sea Shepard.
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:32 PM
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14. it hurts the cause
I think the antics of these people actually does very little to stop whaling and does a great deal of harm to the anti whaling message.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:00 PM
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18. I can't stand Paul Watson
and by this point in the show I am almost rooting for the Japanese, the SS is so inept.
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:31 PM
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23. Maybe you wish they'd have won WW2?
Then we could all be cleaning the planet of life forms to feed our Shitzus?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:02 PM
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24. One of the things that outrages me is how the Sea Shepherd is flying a "rising sun" flag
If they were fighting the Germans and flying a Nazi flag, would that be acceptable?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:04 PM
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25. but you're not outraged that they're contravening international whaling laws with their
bogus "research" loopholing, after having completely ignored the IWC for years and years

spare us your fauxtrage over a stupid, meaningless symbol

do you mindlessly stand and spew the pledge of allegiance, too?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:54 PM
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27. What governments have declared Japanese whaling illegal?
:shrug:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:59 PM
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29. you know what a treaty is, don't you?
start there
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:14 PM
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32. Yes, I do know what a treaty is
We have treaties with several Native American tribes that allow them to kill whales. They're allowed to kill whales because it's their heritage, and they have been whaling for centuries before white people got here.

Unlike Japan, which just started whaling in the mid-80's.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:17 PM
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33. once again, your ignorance is showing
do a little reading and fill in the gaps

take your time

then come back and see if you've found out why your little spewage is completely disingenuous

nice try, though
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:25 PM
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37. pot meet kettle, the US is not a signatory
Yes, the USA is a member of the IWC (International Whaling Commission) but the IWC cannot and does not make or enforce "laws" around the world. That is what your friends at the UN do, such as with the "Law of the Sea".


oh, but wait, there's more





fill YOUR gap with this:

The United States is not a signatory to the UN "Law of the Sea".



:rofl:
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:00 PM
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30. It's against international law. One that the Japanese have signed on to
that is why their boats are plastered with "RESEARCH" -- they claim the only whales they kill are for the good of the survival of whales in general.....they lie!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:04 PM
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31. Do American whalers have "research" on the sides of their boats?
How about Norwegians and other whalers? :shrug:
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:38 PM
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34. Please refer me to one shred of current evidence that any fleet flying the American flag
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 04:54 PM by rvablue
is killing whales.

Thanks.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:40 PM
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35. poster is either stupider than I thought, or trying to be cute: I think it's referring
to Inuit hunters
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:27 PM
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38. see post #39, then have a nice quiet cup of shut-the-.....
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:45 PM
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39. what does the US have to do with this?
where was Watson born?

idiot....

UN will never enforce anti-whaling laws. that's EXACTLY why he's doing what he does

idiot

and he's dared any country or enforcement body to arrest him

so far, no go

idiot

and take your cliche-ridden, smarmy epithets to the outhouse, mmmkay? try to think for yourself for once. I know that's asking too much for a bloodluster, though
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:05 PM
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19. Yes, and with great anticipation even considering
I already know what happens.

Sea Shepherd has brought more scrutiny to Japanese whaling and cost the whalers more money than any other institution or organization in the world. While the IWC and her member countries (the US included) sit with our collective thumbs firmly up our asses, SSCS is out there doing something, forcing action.

Australia has commenced doing live whale research to prove it can be done without taking animals and butchering, in hopes of using that evidence against Japan in the future. This is directly because of what Sea Shepherd has done.

Sea Shepherd will return to the southern whale sanctuary again this year with at least one more ship, the Earthrace vessel. The Whale Wars crew will be along for the ride.

I do believe we'll see an end to Japanese whaling within the next 5-10 years. When we do, we'll owe Capt. Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd our thanks because it will be largely by their effort (though Greenpeace will try to take credit).
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:09 PM
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26. Maybe we should drop an A-bomb on them.
After all, the Japanese are slaughtering WHALES now -- not just stupid 'ol PEOPLE. :eyes:
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