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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:14 AM
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Fox & friends: bring your guns. There will be blood shed, and most, if not all of it will be ours.
Bringing guns to town hall meetings is not our way. But as the Republicans and their orc-like minions seem to
think the Second Amendment says to use guns if words don't win your arguments or elections on their own, they
will incite enough of their nut cases to brings firearms (for their own self-defense, dontcha know) to some of
these meetings, and some of them will use them. In many cases, law enforcement (sic) will not protect us. They
will arrest us if we fight back in kind. This is by no means the case everywhere, but it IS the case in some
places, and that is where the violence will begin.

It will start off innocently enough. Someone will try to shove their way in where they are not welcome. They will
demand their constitutional right to "free speech," and feel perfectly justified in using their guns to get it ("if
you're licensed to carry...carry"). After the first or second death, the urge to fight back in kind, or at least
exercise the right to self-defense, will take over, and the Fox-inspired (and desired) carnage will begin. The
right-wing calls to law and order will be loud, and should any of their minions be among the victims, and make no
mistake, they want their martyrs, they will probably be naming airports after them in no time flat.

Rupert Murdoch is rubbing his hands with glee, as is Roger Ailes and the crazies he lords over. Glenn Beck's call
for his followers to restrain themselves is about as believable as a Sarah Palin claim to coherency.

I hate it. This is not what Obama's election was about, this is not what our country used to be about. But I do not
see it abating, and I see ugly incidents ahead.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Raspberry Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:16 AM
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1. Did they really SAY "Bring your guns??" n/t
Wouldn't know. I don't watch Fox "News."
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:57 AM
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11. Two of their tweets
If ACORN/SEIU attends these meetings for disruptive purposes, and you have a license to carry...carry.


If ACORN/SEIU attends these townhalls for disruption, stop being peaceful and hurt them. Badly #iamthemob
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:19 AM
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14. at least the SEIU is showing up with signs on them saying who they're with
the thugs at the town hall meetings, these disruptors, would look like NASCAR cars if they were honest and showed who they were sponsored by ...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:40 PM
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29. There are several more
This one is especially vile: http://twitter.com/iliterati

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 08:57 PM
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:16 AM
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2. Is this a rant, or did faux actually advocate that? nt
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:18 AM
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3. Did Faux say that?
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 09:18 AM by Avalux
At the point of innocent Americans getting hurt, these nuts are terrorists and should be taken away. (Per the Patriot Act).
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:20 AM
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4. They're nihilists, Donny...nothing to be afraid of
From what I've seen of the overfed Baby Huey motherfuckers disrupting these meetings, they're not going to risk their gelatinous backsides by bringing firearms to a venue where the possibility of being overpowered and getting sodomized with their own weapon exists.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:34 AM
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5. If only. Unfortunately, you are wrong.
when they carry guns (and I guarantee you it is only a matter of time until they do) and attend future meetings, they will feel what a cop buddy of mine calls the "invisible gun shield." First these morans have spent minimal time on a shooting range (which makes them experts). Going to a meeting, and having a loaded weapon in their hands, they feel not just superior, but super powerful. My cop buddy says that these are the most dangerous of all people. Even armed crooks are safer, according to him, because crooks realize that cops are good shots, and get lots of practice. Armed crooks try to avoid shoot outs, because they die. That kind of self-limiting street smarts is nowhere to be found in the birther movement, or their illegitimate kin who attack health care meetings.

These nihilists (I don't agree with that choice of words, either. They hold far more than negative opinions) don't have the brains to realize that guns are dangerous. Instead, they will be empowered. And therefore, they will use that power. People will die. And it will be Fox' fault.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:37 AM
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6. Cops are good shots? Really? n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:49 AM
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9. The average gun enthusiast is a better shot than the average cop.
Range time is just a part of the job for most cops.

It's recreation for most gun enthusiasts.


If we were talking about the average gang-banger, I'd agree with you. We're not. We're talking about people who have been shooting (in many cases) since they were children.

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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:54 AM
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18. Prove It. (n/t)
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:11 AM
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21. the average gun enthusiast is good at plinking.
not many train themselves to shoot while under fire or extreme stress.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:06 PM
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27. True, but not many cops do, either.
There are a lot of civilians who shoot well. Some of those have seen more tactical situations than the average police officer (ex-military, for example).

...and, let's face it...it doesn't take a lot of tactical training to do a lot of damage given a gun and a crowd.


I'm just suggesting that people not underestimate some of the well-trained nuts who may show up at one of these meetings.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:02 PM
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26. Sadly, some of these bozos are not "the average gun enthusiast".
Have known too many wingers up close. The post about what that cop said hits the mark with many of them I have known. Some aren't really gun enthusiasts, but do have a lot of fear. Having the gun can make them feel pretty damned important and less impotent. Some of them get off on that. THEY could very well become a danger to themselves and anyone in the vicinity.

Gun enthusiasts, yeah, I agree with ya. Sadly, too many of the wingers don't qualify, in most definitions of the term ;)
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:12 AM
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12. I think your cop friend is projecting
Cops have to qualify at most twice a year, firing only a handful of shots each time. Unless they also are gun hobbyists they are some of the worst shots out there. I used to shoot at a range where the cops qualified and they were, almost but not quite completely without exception, terrible - absolutely terrible. On the other hand most people who enjoy target shooting for its own sake, of whatever political persuasion, practice constantly and as such are much more proficient. My average once or twice a week practice expended 200-300 rounds at a time, and I was by no means the most dedicated or proficient hobbyist at the range. Instituting the muscle memory to be a good shot takes a LOT of repetition, and unless cops are interested in doing this their pathetically inadequate qualifying requirements will make them nothing more than competent to point the gun in vaguely the right direction.

Oh and cops commit more crimes than CCW permit holders.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:13 AM
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13. It's the action movie syndrome. The bad guys are horrible shots even
though they have several machine guns pointed at you. The good guy only has a pistol and is able to kill the bad guys one shot at a time.
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:50 PM
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30. "...able to kill the bad guys one shot at a time
in the dark, from a distance of 500 yards, riding a horse at full gallop. ;-)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 06:06 PM
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32. Blinded by tears over his lost love
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:20 AM
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15. Respectfully, YOU are wrong
The sort of doughboy who shows up at these meetings to scream is not the sort who will risk bringing a firearm into the building. The e-mails advocating concealed-carry are just for bluster. There's not one in 100,000 who is brave enough to follow through with an act that could be tantamount to suicide-by-cop.

Any occurrence of gun violence at one of these meetings will come from a loner who needs no permission from some astroturf group to go on a shooting spree. The rank-and-file freeper types will fantasize and posture, but not one will follow through on their tough-guy threats.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:55 PM
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25. I really, REALLY hope you are right, & I am wrong. But,
that woman stalking the National Guard facility with guns and ammo? The Glenn Beck fan?
that guy who shot up a health spa, then killed himself? Another Glenn Beck fan?
that guy who shot two cops, then died? Another Glenn Beck fan?

I am beginning to see a pattern here, and it ain't purdy.

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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:38 PM
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28. Mentioning the guy who killed those women at LA Fitness
supports my contention that the only ones worth worrying about are the loners. From all indications, he got no inspiration from Beck or any other RW magpie; he was just nucking futz! The ones who fantasize about taking up arms with other members of the Keyboard Kommandos are nothing but cowards who are all talk & no action. People can wet themselves with worry over them, but I'm not losing a minute's worth of sleep over these overfed Baby Huey motherfuckers.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:24 AM
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16. Here are details on a typical cop qualification test
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 10:28 AM by dmallind
60 shots - not one of which has to even hit the center of mass (the whole body torso in between shoulders and abdomen) ONCE to qualify quite handily - with 50% of the shots being within 7 feet of the target - a range at which knowing which end the bullet comes out of is sufficient to almost guarantee a COM hit!

Meanwhile I spend my time - as far far from the best shooter on earth - worrying if I cannot place every shot in a 3.5" circle 200-300 times a session at the FURTHEST distance they use (and yes like every even vaguely committed hobbyist I practice one handed, weakside, kneeling, standing, etc too)

Firearms Qualification Information Sheet
for
Police Test Applicants

General Information:

1. B-21E, Center of Mass Target
2. 60 Shots Double Action (Single Action Semi-Autos may be used)
3. Passing Score: 210 points out of a possible 300 points
4. HITS ONLY IN VALUED AREA WILL BE SCORED:
a. Center of Mass-5 points
b. Out of Center of Mass-4 points
c. Arms-3 points

YARDS DESCRIPTION OF SHOOTING TASK TIME

3 Ft. You will shoot 6 rounds, STRONG HAND ONLY, Close Quarters
Reload and shoot 6 rounds, WEAK HAND ONLY, Close Quarters 25 Sec.

7 Ft. You will draw and shoot 2 rounds, return to ready, 3 times on command (Shots may be supported) 3 Sec.

7 Ft. You will kneel, draw and shoot 6 rounds, STRONG HAND ONLY 10 Sec.

7 Ft. You will kneel, draw and shoot 6 rounds, WEAK HAND ONLY 10 Sec.

15 Ft. Using Barricade: Shoot 6 rounds, WEAK HAND ONLY, Shoot 6 rounds, STRONG HAND ONLY, Kneel, Reload, and Shoot 6 rounds using TWO HANDS 60 Sec.

25 Ft. You will shoot 6 rounds, TWO HANDS, Kneel, Reload, and Shoot 6 rounds, TWO HANDS 45 Sec.



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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:59 AM
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19. "Invisible Gun Shield"

My compliments to your law enforcement friend, that's a perfect description of the twisted empowerment that firearms deliver to way too many people. Scary times, indeed.....

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:44 AM
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7. i doubted the accuracy of your subject line but....
after google "fox friends-bring your guns" the search brought up some very disturbing entries. yes your subject line does contain a very large kernal of the truth. i would hope that people would not carry guns to a public forum but it would seem that fox and their friends think it`s ok to carry a gun anywhere at anytime
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:46 AM
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22. ...but it's what I want to believe too.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:46 AM
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8. I'll ask too...did Fux and Fiends actually state, "Bring your guns?"
Please clarify. Thanks. :-)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:36 AM
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17. I don't think so, but the Screamers have said to bring guns
It's going to get more violent before things clear up.

Somewhere, somebody is going to get killed by one of these terrorists.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:52 AM
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10. Mohandas and Woody.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

~~~

Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna
march in New Jersey? We should go there,
get some guys together. Get some bricks
and baseball bats and explain things to 'em.


There was this devastating
satirical piece on that in the Times.


Well, a satirical piece in the Times is
one thing, but bricks get right to the point.


But biting satire is better that physical force.


No, physical force is better with Nazis.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:09 AM
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20. Eh
My dad was at the Eric Massa Town Hall yesterday. He's always been licensed to carry a gun.

FWIW - he felt the need at one point that he might need to go out to his car and get it. He campaigned for Rep Massa, I gave to him financially (came carpet bagging from NJ- though the South of Rochester area is where I grew up and lived for 30 years).

It was 'hotter' in there than MSNBC showed this morning.


What's scary? Those eejits don't realize that among Democrats are:
Men raised in the South.
Some of these men are black men that were born and raised in the South during Jim Crow.
These black men know a lynch mob when they see them.
Said black men were Captains in the US Army and even more horrifying - One of those bat shit crazy protect God Country and the 'American Way' Green Berets.

They will shoot on site if they think someone is going to harm ANY ONE. But certainly someone who would harm a former military officer (Eric Massa), a Democratic Man, who ran on vets issues, health care, pulling back on the stupidity of Iraq, education . . .

I think these Extremists on the 'Right' would be ill-advised to think none of US are armed and will defend ourselves and America if they take this shit too far.

I know the idea of 'gun violence' can be something which causes a stir at D.U. It's not my intent. But the folks at D.U. need to know - there amongst them people that if attacked - will attack back.

If the 'Left' lets our voices be raised and heard on this FACT - the Radicals on the Right - might just stop and think, and stop believing that every single American on the left is anti-gun . . . though we might indeed be very much AGAINST the NRA.

I'll see their .38 with my .22. And raise it if necessary.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:39 PM
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23. Well said.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:54 PM
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31. +1
They're stupider than they look if they actually believe the propaganda that Dems don't own, don't carry, and aren't just as proficient... if not moreso. We take our right, privilege, and responsibility seriously. It's that last one that differentiates us most from them.

If I could rec a comment, I would certainly rec yours.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:40 PM
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24. LOL !!...Like the second amendment is only for them. Bbwwwahahahhaha
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