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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 01:57 PM
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even more birther crap from the wnd
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=106018


Obama 'mama': 15 days from birth to Seattle class Dunham signed up for class work just 2 weeks out of delivery room

By Jerome R. Corsi

Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, was registered for college classes in Seattle only 15 days after reportedly delivering her first-born child in Honolulu, according to school records obtained by WND.

How Dunham was able to travel the 2,680 air miles from Honolulu to Seattle only a few days after the birth of her baby is not disclosed in the currently available public record concerning President Obama's birth.

Nor is there anything on the public record to explain how Dunham managed to find an apartment and relocate with her infant son so she could begin taking university classes within 15 days of the baby's birth.

more at the crappy link..
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 01:59 PM
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1. It would have been easier to have come in from Kenya????
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Reform Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:01 PM
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5. lol yeah
i dont see what this has to do with the whole bc thing, what are they getting at?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:04 PM
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10. It's a play to the base
This thing has been out there for more than a year.

It's all about keeping the base in line after their phony baloney "Kenyan birth certificate" became an epic fail.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:15 PM
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44. They're trying to say he couldn't have been born in Hawaii
Now the freepers are saying he must have been born in Socialist Canada. :rofl:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:20 PM
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22. After stopping in Australia
To plant a red herring fake birth certificate for future Freepers.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:14 PM
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43. Well yeah, in 1961. Of course.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 01:59 PM
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2. She went to class 15 days after delivery?
So? I had a friend in college who came to class on Monday, delivered on Tuesday and was back to class on Thursday. BIG DEAL. They're really reaching.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:01 PM
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6. No, she started a correspondence course 15 days after delivering a baby.
Look at the document.

She didn't attend the school until months after giving birth.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:23 PM
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48. No, I was saying that even though she may have sarted a course after
having baby, 15 days later, I don't know how strange that is because I had a friend who was in a course, gave birth and came back 2 days later.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:01 PM
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3. The 1961 courses say "Extension and Correspondence courses"
:eyes:

she was taking correspondence courses while taking care of her newborn baby.

Says so, right there on the document they presented.

:eyes:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:01 PM
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4. breaking > Obama born in Seattle - oh wait...
:crazy:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:02 PM
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7. jeez, she had a baby, not both legs amputated
And guess what, we had airplanes with jets capable of carrying them across the ocean.

Sure it was a challenge, I'm sure. But not impossible.

(if these assertions are even true--wnd has a poor track record on that!)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:03 PM
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9. She didn't even need her legs for the September courses
They were correspondence.

Says so right on the document they presented.

She physically attended classes in the Spring quarter of '62.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:03 PM
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8. Some of these nutjobs
have started speculating on B.C. Canada as an alternate birthplace since Kenya is getting harder and harder to justify (thus this sudden "Seattle" mention). They just continue to boggle the mind. :rofl:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:06 PM
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13. This has been in play for about a year.
This has been well known.

The September 1961 courses were correspondence courses. It says so right there on the transcript.

she didn't physically attend classes until the Spring quarter of '62.

The record is quite clear, but it was this one that prompted Phil Berg to actually file a "Canadian Birth Certiicate" that had been signed by Dudley Dooright in one of his federal Birther suits.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:05 PM
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11. Um... that WND story CONFIRMS that Obama couldn't have been born in Kenya...

"In deciding to take her child and move to Seattle, Ann Dunham abandoned her husband, Barack Obama, who stayed behind in Hawaii, evidently to continue his studies at the University of Hawaii."


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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:49 PM
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28. Oops!
:rofl:

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:05 PM
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12. Bizarre
Seems like it would have been a lot easier to get to Seattle from Honolulu than from Kenya.

I don't see what the point of this article is. People move with infants all the time. So what?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:08 PM
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14. I went back to work 3 weeks after giving birth.....n/t
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:10 PM
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15. Explain, please. How can WND survive as a newspaper/site when no body there can read?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:30 PM
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25. there are so many loons out there it keeps them in business
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:10 PM
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16. Unbelievable
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 02:13 PM by Stephanie
She took correspondence courses from HI in 1961, per the transcript. She moved to Seattle in Jan 1962, according to the babysitter. Then WND wants to know why these accounts differ from Obama's book, which said they moved there in 1962. Um, they did.



Mary Toutonghi, according to an interview published in the Seattle Chat Club blog, claimed to have baby-sat for the future president at Dunham's Seattle apartment in January and February 1962. The Toutongi interview provides no information about Dunham arriving in Seattle to begin classes in the autumn of 1961.

***

In an interview with WND, Toutonghi said she baby-sat for infant Obama "for two or three months, when he was seven months old," adding "it was in the spring."
Given Obamas birth Aug. 4, 1961, this would put the dates Toutongi baby-sat infant Obama in February and March 1962.

***

This now-documented account of President Obama's birth timeline differs dramatically from the narrative the president told in his autobiography "Dreams from My Father."

In that book, Obama claimed his mother remained with him in Hawaii until 1962 when supposedly Barack Obama Sr. made the decision to abandon Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii because Harvard did not provide sufficient funds for him to take his family with him to Cambridge, Mass., to begin his studies in September 1962.



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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:13 PM
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17. Right, she took correspondence courses in teh '61 Fall quarter
and moved to Seattle in early January to attend the Spring quarter.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:13 PM
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18. CORRESPONDENCE COURSES, Mr. "PhD" Corsi. Holy fuck, stupid STUPID man!
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 02:14 PM by LynnTheDem
Definition: The process of communicating from a distance. Traditional correspondence classes are conducted as a teacher and student communicate through the mail.

http://distancelearn.about.com/od/glossary/g/glosscorre...

OMG teh stupid just gets stupiderer!
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:57 PM
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40. The Stupid is strong with this one.
I wonder if any of Corsi's PhD work involved distance learning?

mikey_the_rat
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:17 PM
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19. Sarah Palin went back to work as the executive mayor of Wasilla
only two days after giving birth to Piper. Fancy-pageant walked right in and rolled up her sleeves.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:18 PM
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20. The Farah moron said that only the rich could afford to fly
in 1961. I had a hard time finding airfares for that year, but I did find that a trip from Chicago to San Francisco cost a princely $185.

http://www.boeing.com/news/speeches/2001/swain_011219.h...

I'm sure a trip from Hawaii was a bit more expensive, but you didn't have to be rich to fly. Tons of people flew to Hawaii that year. No biggie, although it wasn't a cheap trip.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:39 PM
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31. it's easier than swimming
How was she supposed to get from Hawai'i to Seattle? Swim? Ship?

Flying was more expensive in terms of real dollars than it is today, but it was still done for special occasions. My first flight was in 1956: I remember very little about it.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:19 PM
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21. meanwhile, these same dolts applauded Sarah Palin for being back at her desk
a few days after (allegedly) giving birth to little Algebra, I mean, Trig...
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:21 PM
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23. Most women aren't laid up for 2 weeks for a
natural child birth. What would be so unusual about it?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:28 PM
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24. So his mother was a hard working student
Who got back into her (correspondence) studies shortly after giving birth. That sounds very commendable to me.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:33 PM
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26. These people are totally awesome!
I hope they stick around until 2012.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:36 PM
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27. So ... they no longer claim he was born in Kenya?
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 02:47 PM by BattyDem
:shrug:

It seems that they're now saying he was born in Hawaii, but they're claiming his mother lied about the date she moved to Seattle, or at the very least, she was wrong to move to Seattle because she abandoned her husband. Um ... so what?

They also claim his parents never lived together as husband and wife after Barack's birth. Again ... so what?

They're also saying that Barack lied in his book about when his mother moved to Seattle. One more time ... SO WHAT???

It sounds like they're new strategy is to question his mother's integrity, which is not only sleazy because she's not here to defend herself, it's totally meaningless in the debate about Barack's eligibility to be POTUS.

In other words ... WTF are they talking about??? :rofl: :crazy:

On edit: What's the whole bit with the babysitter about? Who gives a f*ck? :rofl:









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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:49 PM
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36. It's criminal that Obama does not remember every detail of the first year of his life!
And didn't get it right in his book. I mean, he was there, he should know all the details of what his Mom did when he was in diapers. :silly:

My own mother does not remember the details of the first few months of my life and got it wrong telling me about it when I was in my teens! She used to tell me that the neighbors, describing them by name, didn't know she had an infant until I was old enough to walk.

Problem with that story is that we didn't live next those neighbors when I was an infant. We lived in a company town five miles away and the house I remember growing up in was moved when I was six months old. Mom likely confused my infancy with my younger sister's infancy, since we did live there when SHE was a baby.

My parents' memories do not match the facts, so even relying on their memories does not make for an accurate narrative of my life. If Obama was relying on his mother's or his grandparents' memories, they could easily have gotten things confused on small details that don't really matter in the bigger scheme of things.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:52 PM
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38. Freepers now speculating that President Obamba was born in Canada.
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 03:53 PM by chat_noir
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:21 PM
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46. Oh man they are in a real dither over there. Very entertaining if you can stand the smell.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:26 PM
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47. ROFL!
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 04:27 PM by BattyDem
Kenya ... Canada ... yeah, I can see why they would get those two countries mixed up. :silly:

I can't wait to see the Canadian birth certificate. B-)

I wish he was Canadian ... maybe we'd have a better chance at getting single payer! :P

edited: typo :blush:

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:37 PM
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29. The babysitter is a good Democrat
I tried to email her but it bounced back. I'd love to see her correct this story.


http://www.seattlechatclub.org/museum.html

Mary Toutonghi who now lives in Soldatna Alaska, (2) recalls Barack as a really alert baby, very happy and a good size. She does not remember him ever crying (although she adds she is sure he likely did but does not remember any undue fussing). She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962.





http://redoubtreporter.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-baby-...

She was looking forward to seeing President Obama take office, and not just for the thrill of 40 years-removed fame.

I just think weve been through eight years of hell, Toutonghi said, referring to the war in Iraq, mounting national debt and the countrys downward spiral into economic recession during President Bushs administration.

Shes hoping the alert, inquisitive boy she once took care of now takes care of the country.

I think hes got a horrible job ahead of him, but he seems to be taking it in stride, she said.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:38 PM
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30.  Jerome R. Corsi ...bwahahahaha....bwahaahhaa
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:44 PM
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32. I'm not going to click on that link, so maybe I'm missing something. But doesn't one "sign up" for
classes several weeks in advance of classes actually starting.

One would think that this would be done often by mail back in 1961. Maybe even one could do it by phone.

But like I said, I'm not clicking on that link so there might be more "facts" that I haven't read in the piece.

Either way, the relevance of this "breaking news" is ZERO.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:46 PM
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34. there's an image of her transcript right on the page
and it says plain as day, Correspondence Courses for the fall semester
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:45 PM
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33. Obama started grunge!
Did he kill Cobain?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:11 PM
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42. No, but 'twas Obama broke up The Beatles.
Even at such a young age, he had that kind of power.

Scary.

mikey_the_rat
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:47 PM
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35. Would a fellow Alaskan please call the babysitter
Her company info is out there, with phone numbers. She's a good Democrat. In one interview she is complaining that someone stoler her Obama yard sign.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:58 PM
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41. I just asked Mudflats to call her
Hope she does!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:51 PM
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37. I'm still waiting for Jerome Corsi to prove that he doesn't fuck walruses while eating human shit.
C'mon, dude. If it's not true, show us the evidence.

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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:56 PM
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39. Hey Jerome. Why would there be a public record concerning how long it took

an ordinary and completely unknown 18 year old college
student to find an apartment in Seattle sixty one years
ago.

This isn't Germany or Japan where you have to register
your change of residence with the local police station.

Plus you don't have to register in person for night courses.

Next the Birthers will try to refloat the Obama was born in
Vancouver BC meme because health care in Canada was free in
1961. Which it wasn't btw.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:16 PM
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45. Hey, Jerome!
moo
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