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Esquire: When Did Americans Turn into a Bunch of Raving Lunatics?

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Esquire: When Did Americans Turn into a Bunch of Raving Lunatics?
A look back at how we got to this apex of the "birther" movement and — more frightening still — a road trip into the heart of Obama hater country. Part one in a two-part series.


This is the most frightening thing I have heard in a very long time: According to a poll conducted by the Daily Kos, which I fervently hope is wrong, 28 percent of Republicans believe that President Obama is not an American citizen. Another 30 percent are undecided. A wider survey to be released tomorrow takes that 58 percent of potential "birthers" nationwide up to nearly 70 in Virginia alone. And this is not in dispute: Ten Republican congressmen have now signed on to a bill demanding that Obama prove his citizenship.

If a majority of our conservative population and that much of its elected leadership think that even some of this "birther" stuff is remotely possible, some very dark times may be heading to this country. Early this spring, I spent two very long days traveling around Kentucky with Orly Taitz, one of the leading "birthers" in a nation full of them. So I can tell you with confidence — and show you later in this week's column and next — that this is much, much crazier than most people imagine — and alarmingly in sync with the "tea parties" and wild accusations of socialism that seem to define the current "conservative" opposition.

-snip

Others argue that the whole thing is getting overblown because it's August — the "silly season" for news — and because the more reasonable and mainstream Republicans don't want to take a stand that will further alienate part of their base. This is probably true. But it also obscures a troubling truth: By focusing on the "news hook" about our president's birth certificate, we are ignoring the broader mixture of paranoid apocalyptic fantasies that feed this troubling — and growing, perhaps into the tens of millions — group of people. People who told me they're not just looking for the president's birth certificate. They're looking for his death certificate.

Bear with me before I introduce you to them, because the litany of events that got us to this point in American history should give anyone with a conscience cause for concern — or at least a moment's pause.


http://www.esquire.com/print-this/obama-birthers-moveme...
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   That is some scary stuff.  madaboutharryDU Moderator   Aug-04-09 08:48 PM   #1 
   true  parasearchers   Aug-05-09 06:53 PM   #89 
   Inspired by the Brits  izquierdista   Aug-04-09 08:55 PM   #2 
   Those Brits that got you SNL ;)  Azooz   Aug-05-09 04:32 PM   #70 
   Have wondered more than once if these folks are products of inbreeding/"homeschooling" nt  quiet.american   Aug-04-09 09:06 PM   #3 
   You're not giving NCLB the credit it deserves.  DCKit   Aug-05-09 08:31 AM   #18 
   'cept these are grownups we're talking about.  rucky   Aug-05-09 11:18 AM   #39 
   Think about where it's coming from... the first test cases.  DCKit   Aug-05-09 12:13 PM   #43 
   Absolutely right! "No Child Left Thinking" was pretty much the goal.  FiveGoodMen   Aug-05-09 04:08 PM   #63 
   My kids are homeschooled, and they're  VWolf   Aug-05-09 09:49 AM   #26 
   No offense intended -- that's why I put "homeschooling" in quotes.  quiet.american   Aug-05-09 10:47 AM   #32 
      None taken. Thanks.  VWolf   Aug-05-09 01:06 PM   #50 
         :) nt  quiet.american   Aug-05-09 02:32 PM   #59 
   perhaps you should distinguish between  wolfgangmo   Aug-05-09 11:05 AM   #33 
      There's a reason I put "homeschooling" in quotes there - that's just what I was doing. :) nt  quiet.american   Aug-05-09 11:08 AM   #35 
   I think it started when we began burning "witches"  jmondine   Aug-04-09 09:11 PM   #4 
   Good comment.  madaboutharryDU Moderator   Aug-04-09 09:57 PM   #6 
   Actually, we were talking about that before he posted it  tavalon   Aug-05-09 04:09 PM   #64 
   Just a point - witches in this country were hanged, not burned  LisaM   Aug-05-09 07:41 PM   #95 
      I thought they were drowned  northernlights   Aug-05-09 09:13 PM   #102 
   Sometime back in the 1700's I believe.  Kaleva   Aug-04-09 09:40 PM   #5 
   they have been around forever  Blue_Tires   Aug-04-09 10:12 PM   #7 
   It always amuses me when people writing articles like this think they've discovered anything new  rockymountaindem   Aug-04-09 10:14 PM   #8 
   60% of the GOP are straight up racists. They can't accept a black president.  TexasObserver   Aug-04-09 10:50 PM   #9 
   They never accepted Clinton...  WCGreen   Aug-05-09 12:04 AM   #12 
   No, with Obama there is the racial element.  TexasObserver   Aug-05-09 12:11 AM   #13 
   But Clinton was the best Republican president the US ever had!  DutchLiberal   Aug-05-09 07:32 PM   #92 
   Or that mankind and dinosaurs co-existed...  TTUBatfan2008   Aug-05-09 12:49 AM   #14 
   hehee - one creationist museum was foreclosed recently  ChairmanAgnostic   Aug-05-09 08:55 AM   #23 
   it was not foreclosed - it was seized by the IRS for non-payment of taxes. n/t  Lance_Boyle   Aug-05-09 04:53 PM   #72 
      thanks for the correction.  ChairmanAgnostic   Aug-05-09 06:31 PM   #87 
         LOL...  TTUBatfan2008   Aug-05-09 09:54 PM   #104 
   They even had nice haircuts!  madaboutharryDU Moderator   Aug-05-09 09:08 AM   #24 
   Um ... nice haircuts?  wolfgangmo   Aug-05-09 11:08 AM   #34 
      I was talking about the girl with the dinosaur!  madaboutharryDU Moderator   Aug-05-09 11:25 AM   #40 
   OMG!  road2000   Aug-05-09 04:26 PM   #68 
   When creationist "museums" get foreclosed on/seized by the IRS and their property auctioned off...  BreweryYardRat   Aug-05-09 05:59 PM   #82 
   that is because the GOP pushed out all moderates over 20 years.  ChairmanAgnostic   Aug-05-09 08:54 AM   #22 
      The 'moderates' went to the Democrats and turned it into a corporatist party...  DutchLiberal   Aug-05-09 07:34 PM   #93 
      "...a fruit consisting of a hard or tough shell around an edible kernel."  DCKit   Aug-05-09 11:52 PM   #105 
   Obama's presidency is just shining a torch on what people of color have been saying  Number23   Aug-04-09 11:50 PM   #10 
   and there you have that  noiretextatique   Aug-05-09 01:36 PM   #53 
   I feel so sorry for those people. They are so being distracted so that they  applegrove   Aug-04-09 11:58 PM   #11 
   Now's not the time to feel sorry for them. We'll be feeling sorry for ALL of us...  BlooInBloo   Aug-05-09 12:51 AM   #15 
   I think we should all talk about how sorry we feel for the freepers and the birthers because  applegrove   Aug-05-09 01:11 AM   #16 
      I don't feel sorry for anyone who is intent of screwing up ...  wolfgangmo   Aug-05-09 11:10 AM   #36 
      There's a difference between ignorance and willful ignorance.  Individualist   Aug-05-09 12:18 PM   #45 
   That's the goal, isn't it?  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-05-09 04:23 PM   #67 
   We took a sharp turn towards Dumbfuckistan when Reagan got in. nt  Arugula Latte   Aug-05-09 01:12 AM   #17 
   .  lukasahero   Aug-05-09 08:46 AM   #20 
   That's when people started becoming proud of their ignorance.  JBoy   Aug-05-09 10:30 AM   #29 
   "Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"  redqueen   Aug-05-09 12:16 PM   #44 
      Don't forget "Ketchup is a vegetable"  walldude   Aug-05-09 05:23 PM   #77 
   It's "Morning in America"  Terry in Austin   Aug-05-09 12:21 PM   #47 
   I totally agree with this.  Liberalynn   Aug-05-09 12:23 PM   #48 
   Well, it the author is waiting for "reasonable and mainstream Republicans", all I can say is  old mark   Aug-05-09 08:35 AM   #19 
   Obama is President because the majority voted FOR him  lunatica   Aug-05-09 08:49 AM   #21 
   He's president because vested interests wanted to apply a friendlier face to biz as usual  Echo In Light   Aug-05-09 10:32 AM   #30 
   When the Fascists convinced Uhmericans their problems were caused by the "have too littles".  HughBeaumont   Aug-05-09 09:21 AM   #25 
   I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of two people: McCain and Palin  justiceischeap   Aug-05-09 09:57 AM   #27 
   What a ridiculous question...  BolivarianHero   Aug-05-09 09:59 AM   #28 
   That would be...  wolfgangmo   Aug-05-09 10:44 AM   #31 
   November 4, 2008  piratefish08   Aug-05-09 11:13 AM   #37 
   Recommend. I'm going out to buy the Esquire with this in it. If they have the cajones  bertman   Aug-05-09 11:17 AM   #38 
   Been saying for decades.  freebrew   Aug-05-09 11:30 AM   #41 
   It's slightly off-topic, but cutting grants and pushing student loans has really ruined us.  caseymoz   Aug-05-09 12:18 PM   #46 
   There is some very strong propaganda orchestrating the "Birther" movement.  caseymoz   Aug-05-09 11:53 AM   #42 
   The short answer...  WinstonSmith4740   Aug-05-09 12:33 PM   #49 
   It's an inevitable progression.  Orsino   Aug-05-09 01:17 PM   #51 
   i wish  noiretextatique   Aug-05-09 01:43 PM   #54 
   Go read through the 9/11 forum.  scrinmaster   Aug-05-09 01:30 PM   #52 
   The media. Nothing more and nothing less. nt  anonymous171   Aug-05-09 02:00 PM   #55 
   Oh, 1980.  moondust   Aug-05-09 02:02 PM   #56 
   That sounds just about right.  Libertas1776   Aug-05-09 04:31 PM   #69 
   AFAIC, God help the RW if anything. . .ANYTHING. . .happens to Obama  DinahMoeHum   Aug-05-09 02:14 PM   #57 
   There have always been Americans that were raving lunatics  Caliman73   Aug-05-09 02:27 PM   #58 
   An evangelical Christian told me that the election  madaboutharryDU Moderator   Aug-05-09 04:59 PM   #73 
   Who else?  immoderate   Aug-05-09 05:34 PM   #79 
   yeah, those people are very confused.  Caliman73   Aug-06-09 01:31 PM   #106 
   So very true  Mopar151   Aug-05-09 05:52 PM   #81 
   re: There have always been Americans that were raving lunatics  pauljulian   Aug-05-09 06:06 PM   #84 
   Looking for his death certificate - that scares me silly. And Rush and friends feel no respnsibilit  patricia92243   Aug-05-09 03:52 PM   #60 
   The question infers they were once sane!  L. Coyote   Aug-05-09 04:03 PM   #61 
   Or human history for that matter, though we did seem to get more than our fair share  tavalon   Aug-05-09 04:09 PM   #65 
   These thugs ALWAYS existed, but were not as obvious.  DailyGrind51   Aug-05-09 04:07 PM   #62 
   The end result of GOP Control....They have succeeded in Dumbing Down America  opihimoimoi   Aug-05-09 04:10 PM   #66 
   I ask myself that everyday & include our lunatic government  katty   Aug-05-09 04:50 PM   #71 
   Around 1980, Ma'am....  The Magistrate   Aug-05-09 05:02 PM   #74 
   I think that the stage was set by Nixon in '68.  amandabeech   Aug-05-09 05:21 PM   #76 
      True, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Aug-05-09 05:37 PM   #80 
         I think that there is a strong anti-intellectual streak in U.S. culture  amandabeech   Aug-05-09 09:12 PM   #101 
   Sometime after GOP became Nazis . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-05-09 05:14 PM   #75 
   "Anyone who voted for him should have to leave the country"  walldude   Aug-05-09 05:26 PM   #78 
   July 4, 1776.  ejbrush   Aug-05-09 06:04 PM   #83 
   The ol' Confederacy is like a wounded animal; very dangerous despite it's limited capacity  sasquatch   Aug-05-09 06:18 PM   #85 
   The american people have learned to distrust what they're told,  crim son   Aug-05-09 06:23 PM   #86 
   It's just a distraction.. They are still fighting two wars  Grinchie   Aug-05-09 06:50 PM   #88 
   I tell you one thing for sure  Richd506   Aug-05-09 07:08 PM   #90 
   s/Americans/Republicans  enki23   Aug-05-09 07:21 PM   #91 
   do not be afraid... this is their last hoorah  fascisthunter   Aug-05-09 07:37 PM   #94 
   "Idiocracy" is here and now. n/t  BumRushDaShow   Aug-05-09 08:27 PM   #96 
   Its really great to see RW insanity being pointed out  creeksneakers2   Aug-05-09 08:30 PM   #97 
   When did people start listening to their own hot air over reality?  JHB   Aug-05-09 08:42 PM   #98 
   Excellent read! Looking forward to the second part! k+r, n/t  ColbertWatcher   Aug-05-09 08:46 PM   #99 
   Sigh.  BlooInBloo   Aug-05-09 08:56 PM   #100 
   Severely paraphrasing Einstein here...  neuvocat   Aug-05-09 09:29 PM   #103 
 
madaboutharry DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-04-09 08:48 PM
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1. That is some scary stuff.
It amazes me that people could be so ignorant. Then maybe it isn't a surprise.

I think it all boils down to one thing: These people are racists and they can't bear that a black man is running the country.

It is so sad.
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parasearchers (210 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:53 PM
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89. true
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izquierdista (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 08:55 PM
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2. Inspired by the Brits
These Brits:
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Azooz (215 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:32 PM
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70. Those Brits that got you SNL ;)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 09:06 PM
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3. Have wondered more than once if these folks are products of inbreeding/"homeschooling" nt
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:31 AM
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18. You're not giving NCLB the credit it deserves.
"Teaching the Test", the intentional dumbing down of the populace and the complete elimination of critical thinking have been a hugh suckcess.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 11:18 AM
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39. 'cept these are grownups we're talking about.
Teh stupid is all-natural.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:13 PM
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43. Think about where it's coming from... the first test cases.
They didn't announce the program until they knew it was successful.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:08 PM
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63. Absolutely right! "No Child Left Thinking" was pretty much the goal.
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VWolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:49 AM
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26. My kids are homeschooled, and they're
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 09:50 AM by VWolf
intelligent, critical thinkers.

You might want to use a narrower brush.

Edited for spelling
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 10:47 AM
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32. No offense intended -- that's why I put "homeschooling" in quotes.
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 10:48 AM by quiet.american
I know there's homeschooling -- and then there's "homeschooling."
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VWolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 01:06 PM
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50. None taken. Thanks.
I'll call it unquoted homeschooling from now on :)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 02:32 PM
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59. :) nt
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33. perhaps you should distinguish between
Homeschooling and HomSkoolin.

Just sayin. As a former teacher I met many homeschooled kids who were WAY above the grade curve. And then there are those who don't show up to public schools or libraries or anything because their kids might be "indoctrinated." (although obviously they mean "indoctrinated" by someone, not their parents - it's kind of a slave owner mentality)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:08 AM
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35. There's a reason I put "homeschooling" in quotes there - that's just what I was doing. :) nt
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4. I think it started when we began burning "witches"
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 09:11 PM by jmondine
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6. Good comment.
n/t
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64. Actually, we were talking about that before he posted it
We have this neat extra DU feature called married to one another. Anyway, I said it started when we stepped on Plymouth rock. I never got around to posting mine until now though.

I tell ya, there's little more fun than two DUers of the same basic political philosophy being married to one another. He always makes sure I see the bestest stuff and vice versa.
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95. Just a point - witches in this country were hanged, not burned
I'm not saying it's right, but they were hanged.
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102. I thought they were drowned
I could swear when I was visiting Salem, Mass, they said they would tie rocks to them and toss them in a lake. If they drowned, they weren't witches. If they made it back to shore, then they were witches. Oh wait... That's when they hanged them.

neeever mind~!
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 09:40 PM
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5. Sometime back in the 1700's I believe.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 10:12 PM
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7. they have been around foreverUpdated at 8:36 PM
it's just that the internet, talk radio and media shills give them a much bigger spotlight (and more percieved legitimacy) than they ever had whereas in the past they were relegated to dad's bomb shelter or some fundie fringe backwoods church...
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8. It always amuses me when people writing articles like this think they've discovered anything new
If they'd deigned to tramp out in "red state America" prior to now, they'd know that this kind of BS they're writing about is/has been ubiquitous among certain segments of the population for years. They said pretty much all the same stuff, without the Kenyan angle, about John Kerry. Of course as a substitute for the Kenya stuff they had a bunch of BS about how Kerry lied about his war record or collaborated with Jane Fonda etc.

Go to a gun show these days and you can still get bumper stickers whining about Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy/Chappaquiddick and George McGovern. They're not letting even that go. Of course they're whacked out about Obama. If people from Esquire, Rolling Stone and any other big-name magazine would actually spend some serious time in my old neck of the woods. This hasn't sprung up out of nowhere.
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9. 60% of the GOP are straight up racists. They can't accept a black president.
They look for any rationale which allows them to justify their rejection of Obama as a legitimate president. It's not surprising that they have created this mythology to allow them their delusions. These are the same people who will tell you that blacks were happy under slavery because they were taken care of by benevolent plantation owners.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:04 AM
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12. They never accepted Clinton...
It's not a race thing, that's just part of it...

It is this idea that this America is not the right America and only republicans can bring the true America back...

It's as simple as thst.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:11 AM
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13. No, with Obama there is the racial element.
The map of birthers makes clear this is something that is mainly seen in the Old South.
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 07:32 PM
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92. But Clinton was the best Republican president the US ever had!
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:49 AM
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14. Or that mankind and dinosaurs co-existed...


Not just co-existed, but co-existed PEACEFULLY! lol
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:55 AM
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23. hehee - one creationist museum was foreclosed recently
Employment tax, income tax and property tax were unpaid.

They prayed for relief. I guess their god was distracted.
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:53 PM
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72. it was not foreclosed - it was seized by the IRS for non-payment of taxes. n/t

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:31 PM
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87. thanks for the correction.
in any case, good triumphs over evil.
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:54 PM
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104. LOL...
I'm a Christian and I believe in evolution, but I sure as heck do not believe mankind was around during the time of the dinosaurs. I pretty much look at evolution as God's tinkering. 7 days wasn't literally 7 days, at least not 7 days by our standards.
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madaboutharry DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 09:08 AM
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24. They even had nice haircuts!
How friggin' stupid.
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:08 AM
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34. Um ... nice haircuts?
Like some prehistoric woman actually had the latest in evangelical church basement lady haircuts.

Puhlease. Those haircuts aren't even nice now.
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madaboutharry DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 11:25 AM
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40. I was talking about the girl with the dinosaur!
This is not what early man looked like.
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road2000 Donating Member (781 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 04:26 PM
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68. OMG!
They plucked Linda Ronstadt out of the pigpen and stuck her with dinosaurs! Is this for real?
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:59 PM
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82. When creationist "museums" get foreclosed on/seized by the IRS and their property auctioned off...
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 06:05 PM by BreweryYardRat
I hope actual museums take the opportunity to buy up their dinosaur replicas and put them to better use. That's a pretty decent model of a young theropod. I'd like to see it get used for actual education, rather than disappearing into the private market.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:54 AM
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22. that is because the GOP pushed out all moderates over 20 years.
the smart people left. The ones who remain are intent on having sexual relations with a fruit consisting of a hard or tough shell around an edible kernel.
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 07:34 PM
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93. The 'moderates' went to the Democrats and turned it into a corporatist party...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:52 PM
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105. "...a fruit consisting of a hard or tough shell around an edible kernel."
The bestest description of Sarah Palin I've heard yet.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 11:50 PM
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10. Obama's presidency is just shining a torch on what people of color have been saying
about this country for CENTURIES.

"When Did Americans Turn into a Bunch of Raving Lunatics?"

TURN into lunatics???
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 01:36 PM
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53. and there you have that
:applause: there is nothing "new" about these people. they are the same people who've always opposed anything remotely progressive, especially if they believe it will benefit people of color.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-04-09 11:58 PM
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11. I feel so sorry for those people. They are so being distracted so that they
will never vote their own best interest (health care).
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:51 AM
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15. Now's not the time to feel sorry for them. We'll be feeling sorry for ALL of us...
if they win.

Worry about them after we win.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 01:11 AM
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16. I think we should all talk about how sorry we feel for the freepers and the birthers because
they are so ill-informed. Gettting angry at them just gives them fuel.
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:10 AM
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36. I don't feel sorry for anyone who is intent of screwing up ...
America
Our future.
My kids future.
The constitution.
The supreme court.
Women's rights.
Minority rights.
Privacy rights.
and Cogent thought.

Screw em.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:18 PM
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45. There's a difference between ignorance and willful ignorance.
I have nothing but contempt for the willfully ignorant.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 04:23 PM
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67. That's the goal, isn't it?
:shrug: Meanwhile the rest of us get screwed, too. That's the part that pisses me off the most and why I don't feel sorry for them.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 01:12 AM
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17. We took a sharp turn towards Dumbfuckistan when Reagan got in. nt
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:46 AM
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20. .
:spray:

Sorry, this just caught me off-guard this morning. Thanks for the laugh.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 10:30 AM
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29. That's when people started becoming proud of their ignorance.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:16 PM
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44. "Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 12:18 PM by redqueen
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles..."
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."

He was definitely a leader for the stupid... he inspired them to embrace their stupidity, and encouraged anti-intellectualism.
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walldude (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:23 PM
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77. Don't forget "Ketchup is a vegetable"
That guy was a genius!! :rofl: :rofl:
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:21 PM
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47. It's "Morning in America"
So hit the snooze button, roll over and go back to sleep...

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Liberalynn (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:23 PM
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48. I totally agree with this.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:35 AM
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19. Well, it the author is waiting for "reasonable and mainstream Republicans", all I can say is
don't hold your breath. They are all gone away somewhere, or have reverted to their true colors - Nazi red and black and lilly white.
They are all fucking crazy.

mark
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:49 AM
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21. Obama is President because the majority voted FOR him
These people who are making so much noise are the minority. We're just a lot more polite than they are and we're don't follow mob mentality, nor is our IQ stuck on stupid.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 10:32 AM
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30. He's president because vested interests wanted to apply a friendlier face to biz as usual
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:21 AM
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25. When the Fascists convinced Uhmericans their problems were caused by the "have too littles".
Of course, Uhmericans don't consider themselves as part of the "have too littles" group. It's this whole thing about superiority and implanted fear that they may become poor that keeps them eternally chasing the carrot of prosperity. Republicans were and still are great at reassigning blame (i.e. "did a POOR person ever give you a job?"); in this aspect, they've successfully convinced a great deal of the working poor that the corporation is their FRIEND, not their ENEMY.

Jack Welch once brazenly attested that he was merely helping the people who he laid off, because they were "complacent". It's a high pile of bullshit, for sure, but it sounds good to those who are still working . . . and chasing that carrot.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:57 AM
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27. I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of two people: McCain and Palin
Yes, there has always been the crazy, we know it, we've seen it. However, if memory serves, it wasn't until Palin and McCain started questioning Obama and his patriotism, calling him a socialist, inferring that he wasn't American that these nut bags took off and became much more vocal. Of course, the right-wing hate spewers that call themselves journalists and talk show hosts haven't helped the cause at all because of their encouragement of the issue. Hell, even Beck had to caution his followers that violence isn't the answer. Lou Dobbs has been chastised gently for giving the crazy airtime but it still goes back to the Presidential campaign and the two idiots that thought they could win an election by denigrating Obama are the root of this mess. That's my opinion anyway.
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:59 AM
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28. What a ridiculous question...
There's been an America that has always been batshit crazy; an America that, until met with a greater force, had embraced the enslavement of an entire subsection of its population decades after the rest of the word had rejected it; an America that rejects any form of science or of critical thinking because it goes against the alleged will of the Big HooHooHaHa in the sky; an America where people consider it normal to mix gun rallies and religious services; an America more willing to impose its myth on others than to embrace the reality which surrounds it.
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 10:44 AM
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31. That would be...
... When was 1776, Alex?
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piratefish08 Donating Member (493 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:13 AM
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37. November 4, 2008
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:17 AM
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38. Recommend. I'm going out to buy the Esquire with this in it. If they have the cajones
to print this, they deserve our support. Big time.

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freebrew (202 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:30 AM
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41. Been saying for decades.
Nixon signed away the GI Bill that gave free college education to the returning vets. Some of that was given back, but will never be as good as it was prior. After the "60's" and the Vietnam war was ended, the RW decided to stop all of this nonsense with educating the poor and middle classes. Sure, college is still available, but not the same. Grade requirements in some colleges have dropped, most are no longer requiring a 'well rounded' education. But, it really starts in public schools. Where better than to indoctrinate but the youngsters. I saw it. 2 - 3 years after HS, the classes later had turned to greed and self-gratification instead of looking at betterment of society. Then came the yuppies. Very bright as far as making $ off of the poor and working class, but again. No conscience. Greed was and now still is their god.

But the stupid comes from a long line of RW plotting to destroy our system of education.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:18 PM
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46. It's slightly off-topic, but cutting grants and pushing student loans has really ruined us.

The first thing Reagan did was cut student grants in favor of loans, and the interest on student loans was immediately jacked up two percent, as I remember. Then they made it impossible to get out from under the loans. Meanwhile, universities were allowed to raise tuition and costs to the stratosphere.

So, we now have a shortages in almost every type of advanced degree and grant visas to people from India just to stay competitive. And why that would be? If you get a Masters or Ph. D, you're probably going to owe $70,000 when you start your career.

I have no doubt that conservatives' higher education policy under Reagan was dominated by their vendetta against the Vietnam protesters.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 11:53 AM
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42. There is some very strong propaganda orchestrating the "Birther" movement.

It's called disinformation. They are taking the most paranoid and racists conspiracies and making them sound like they are even likely. Repubs learned something from the CIA media campaigns: Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and other such media projects. They are simply applying them to the domestic sphere.

Of course, we have loons in Congress, but many conservatives in Congress also know that this is exactly what's being done, and they are pitching in.
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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (253 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 12:33 PM
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49. The short answer...
Right after Reagan turned us into a nation of sheep.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 01:17 PM
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51. It's an inevitable progression.
A continent rich in resources to explore and settle, defended by Stone Age peoples against technologically and numerically superior racists ==> Manifest Destiny ==> The American Dream ==> capitalism's cargo cult ==> the worship of greed ==> supply-side economics ==> the outsourcing of actual work and thought ==> feudalism.

An underclass of white Americans, conditioned to think of themselves as privileged, are beginning to realize that they are merely serfs. That shouting you hear is the sound white privilege makes when it's wounded.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 01:43 PM
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54. i wish
i could recommend your post. america...your racist underbelly is showing :blush:
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scrinmaster (536 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 01:30 PM
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52. Go read through the 9/11 forum.
Insanity isn't restricted to one political persuasion.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 02:00 PM
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55. The media. Nothing more and nothing less. nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 02:02 PM
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56. Oh, 1980.
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 02:11 PM by moondust
That's basically when the Three Decades of Darkness descended upon the land.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 04:31 PM
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69. That sounds just about right.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 02:14 PM
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57. AFAIC, God help the RW if anything. . .ANYTHING. . .happens to Obama
or any other Democratic official.

Because, those RW fuck-asses will get the same thing they dish out, ten times over.

That's a fucking ironclad guarantee.

:nuke:
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 02:27 PM
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58. There have always been Americans that were raving lunatics
This is not a new phenomenon. There used to be klan rallies of thousands of people up Pennsylvania Avenue in the 20's 30's and 50's. There was a segment of Americans who sided with the Nazis and tried to help them in their quest to "purify the world" during WWII. There were hunts for "communists" in the 50's that ruined many lives. This is just a convergence of things. The idea that the US is changing from a White male dominated, corporation profits driven society to something where more people might have more of a say, is like the end of the world to these people. Fear and paranoia are easily spread when someone tells you that you may be losing your piece of the pie. The instant global media age and the internet also help to fuel the fires. The presence of a Black man in the most powerful office in the Western World is just a glaring sign that things may be changing, and these people are scared to death of it.
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madaboutharry DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 04:59 PM
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73. An evangelical Christian told me that the election
of Barack Obama was a sign that we are in "The End Times".
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:34 PM
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79. Who else?
Everything is a sign of the end times to them. Ask your friend if there are any countersigns. :)

--imm
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106. yeah, those people are very confused.
They try to take the bible literally, but they always fail to read the message that Christ left telling them not to worry about or try to predict when He would return. They always miss that part, which was stated to stop just this kind of nonsense. The basic premise of the bible is to try to be as good a person as possible, to love others as you love yourself, to try not to put worldly pleasures before your desire to do and be good, and to have faith that there is something greater out there that you are living for. Fundies and evangelicals for wanting to take the bible literally, always seem to pick the parts that suit their purposes don't they?
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:52 PM
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81. So very true
And Toffler's "Future Shock" predicted a lot of it.
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pauljulian (3 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:06 PM
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84. re: There have always been Americans that were raving lunatics
Yes, it's just that any yahoo can fancy him/herself a pundit, and the megaphones to shout with are so much more efficient (the RW MSM, and all the available webspaces).

And any idiot can yell through a megaphone (virtual or otherwise). It takes intelligence to make one's point softly, conversationally, and with nuance - something the "morans" lack, obviously.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 03:52 PM
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60. Looking for his death certificate - that scares me silly. And Rush and friends feel no respnsibilit
responsibility for that sort of thing. This is what all their hate mongering produces.
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:03 PM
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61. The question infers they were once sane!
Someone failed to read American history.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 04:09 PM
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65. Or human history for that matter, though we did seem to get more than our fair share
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:07 PM
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62. These thugs ALWAYS existed, but were not as obvious.
Milton Friedman gave them their theory. Reagan gave them their leader. Limbaugh gave them their slogans.
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:10 PM
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66. The end result of GOP Control....They have succeeded in Dumbing Down America
How else can we explain Bush 43??
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 04:50 PM
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71. I ask myself that everyday & include our lunatic government
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:02 PM
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74. Around 1980, Ma'am....
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 05:21 PM
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76. I think that the stage was set by Nixon in '68.
Reagan brought it to fruition in '80.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:37 PM
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80. True, Ma'am
The slide began then, and Reagan was the tipping point.

This is not pure humor, either: there has been a real change in attitudes.. Fifty years ago, people were inclined to recognize ignorance on their own part, and to accept that this meant their views on a matter they knew little of were not to be taken too seriously, even by themselves. People over the last couple decades have come around to being actively proud of ignorance, of being ill-informed, to the point of maintaining with a straight face that ignorant opinion is to be preferred, and privileged over knowledgeable comment.

"Anything I don't understand is easy!"

"For every complex problem there is a solution that is obvious, simple, and wrong."
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-05-09 09:12 PM
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101. I think that there is a strong anti-intellectual streak in U.S. culture
that pops up every so often.

Right now it's popping like an Orville Reddenbacher packing plant on fire.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:14 PM
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75. Sometime after GOP became Nazis . . .
at least 55 years ago !!!

'63 coup on people's government -- rising right wing propaganda --
wars --

and suicidal right wing elites have pretty much had control since then --

IMO . . . ???
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walldude (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 05:26 PM
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78. "Anyone who voted for him should have to leave the country"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: So let me get this straight, to prove you are god fearing, patriotic, Democracy and Freedom loving Americans, you want anyone who had the nerve to use their Democratic right to vote for the guy you don't like to be removed from the country.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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ejbrush (113 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:04 PM
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83. July 4, 1776.
Before that we were a bunch of raving British lunatics.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:18 PM
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85. The ol' Confederacy is like a wounded animal; very dangerous despite it's limited capacity
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:23 PM
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86. The american people have learned to distrust what they're told,
by the media or otherwise, which leaves them free to believe any fantasy they like as long as it suits their purpose. I believe the MSM is at least in part, directly responsible for this "lunacy".
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 06:50 PM
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88. It's just a distraction.. They are still fighting two wars
Staying in Columbia, maintaining the Drug wars, Employing ex monsanto lawyers in the USDA, selling off large acrages of the Tongass Forest reserves, reinflating the bubble, protecting Bush/Cheney and the rest of the gang, and now we get to laugh at the crazy antics of the "Birthers"

Who gives a shit. Try paying attention to the real issues before galloping of on the Media induced stampede to the next distraction.


Have we gotten Mandatory labeling of GMO food passed yet? You know it's been ten years since we asked for it.


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Richd506 (501 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 07:08 PM
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90. I tell you one thing for sure
When I was just a young kid and I used to watch the politicians on TV blabbing on and on about god knows what, I used to think to myself "I don't know what the heck they're talking about."

But now that I've grown and I now understand what these people are saying, I can't help but think "hell,they're the ones who don't know what they're talking about!" And the birthers, in my view, fit nicely within that category.
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enki23 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 07:21 PM
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91. s/Americans/Republicans
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 07:37 PM
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94. do not be afraid... this is their last hoorah
the Republican Party is actually creating a monster that will come back to haunt them. When a bully tries to bully you, you stand up to them.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:27 PM
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96. "Idiocracy" is here and now. n/t
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:30 PM
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97. Its really great to see RW insanity being pointed out
Before, any reporter who reported on it faced mass uproar destruction. So would the media outlet he reported from. But the wingers can really only focus on attacking one source at a time. When more than a few point out RW insanity, the RW can't fight back. That makes it safer for other journalists to follow in reporting the truth.

The truth scares the elected GOP who have long benefitted from the national psychosis. They have to distance themselves from the more public displays of lunacy. That angers the base and turns the base against the Republicans. Eventually, the Frankenstein of furious disinformed zealots the GOP created will destroy the GOP. Its out of control now.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:42 PM
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98. When did people start listening to their own hot air over reality?
Here's a quiz question: What did actions did Abe Lincoln take as president that were so intolerable that southern states felt they had to secede?

Answer: None: Secession began before he ever took office, because they were soooooo certain of what he was going to do. (It was one of those "pre-emptive" things).

Read Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. This has been with us a long, long time:

The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization... he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated — if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
***
The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional).
***
It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to combat secret organizations give the same flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret operation through "front" groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy. Spokesmen of the various fundamentalist anti-Communist "crusades" openly express their admiration for the dedication and discipline the Communist cause calls forth.

Ring any bells?
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:46 PM
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99. Excellent read! Looking forward to the second part! k+r, n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 08:56 PM
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100. Sigh.
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neuvocat (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-05-09 09:29 PM
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103. Severely paraphrasing Einstein here...
when you say 'damn the rules' and just do whatever you feel like you end up bitter and angry like the freepers.
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