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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:10 PM
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Don Imus - Typical Northern Yankee Bigot
Imus has been an institution in the North, and has been spewing his hate up there for 20 years. His racial smears are typical of the conversations in the North, the casual racism and sexism is the way most yanks think. Isn't it funny how *surprised* they are that people might be offended?

Walk around most of the cities in the North and you'll hear anti-Black slurs like "moulignon" and "moolie" on a daily basis. Of course, in "polite company" typical yank bigots prefer to use euphemisms like "bad area" to describe a Black neighborhood, or something barely concealed like "gangster".

Of course "officially" the North isn't segregated anymore, but in reality it is. Last time they tried to integrate the schools the yanks rioted and beat up schoolchildren and fought the police. Poor Black people in the North are basically restricted to "public housing projects" surrounded by barbed wire fences and going out into the White neighborhood might get you arrested or worse - Blacks can't walk into White neighborhoods in Boston or Brooklyn or Queens without getting beaten up. Forget Chicago - that's the birthplace of the modern KKK.

Then of course there are the racist cops - Blacks can't use a cell phone without getting riddled with bullets, kids can't go on the roof of their apartment buildings without being shot by police, and don't even TRY to go out for a Bachleor party with other Blacks - that's just asking for a shoot down. Nothing has really changed since the days the Whites burned Black schoolchildren to death cause they didn't want to free the slaves in the Civil War.

The North was literally built on the graves of the Natives they murdered and on the backs of Black slaves. The entire Northern Culture was based on racism and it's still based on racism. Don Imus? Why would anyone be surprised?

This video is pretty much the attitude of your average yank bigot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnqL6BDNNMo

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:11 PM
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1. .
:popcorn:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:13 PM
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6. yea same guy who was just saying
how Al Gore shouldn't run a few threads back
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:15 PM
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:18 PM
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15. so? Gore isnt' a candidate
nothing in that post resembles anything even mildly Republican - so what's the problem? Gore shouldn't run, I'd rather vote for Obama or Edwards.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:20 PM
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21. You used words
like shill, fake, and weak to describe Gore. Kinda makes one wonder.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:22 PM
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23. Gore is just like Lieberman
He's not a candidate. There are plenty of non-shills and non-fakes like Obama and Edwards and Dodd and Kucinich. I don't like Gore, Gore is basically a conservative and I'm glad he's not running.

So that makes me a freeper? Because I want a LIBERAL candidate? :eyes:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:16 PM
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11. Yeah, there's a few freeper posts here now. I usually ignore them, but
sometimes I play along. I just cleared out my Ignore list. I guess it's time to build it again.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:19 PM
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16. You're gonna get busted.
Against the rules, y'know.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:20 PM
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20. Okay, I'll just put him on Ignore. nt
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:19 PM
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18. Nope - not a Freeper - he's being IRONIC.
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 05:21 PM by Clark2008
For all you South-bashers on the board - how do you like the taste of YOUR OWN medicine.

I think it's fucking hilarious!

P.S. And if you don't South-bash, this post isn't directed toward you. It's directed toward those who are constanly reliving the Civil War like you think we do down South (when we don't).
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:24 PM
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25. ironic but accurate
There's nothing in that post that isn't ACCURATE. I have lived for years in the North and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Sheesh an anti-racist post and they can't call me "freeper" fast enough. I suppose if I defended Imus' racist remarks I could be a good Democrat??? :eyes:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:42 PM
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43. I know it's accurate.
My husband's from Boston and he says they're way more racist up there than we are down here in Tennessee.

And, while I don't agree with your assessment that Gore is more liberal than Edwards (Edwards is pretty dang conservative and I LIKE Gore, a lot), I can still separate this one post out from your others. People don't think in linear fashion.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:48 PM
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48. for the record, I think Gore is too *conservative*
My point earlier was that Gore has been a key player in moving the party to the right, especially on the economy, and he's been consistent about that for his entire career.

I do not understand why Gore is somehow considered "liberal" - he's a founder of the DLC!

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:12 PM
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3. Enjoy your time while it lasts.
Yankee Vermont was the first state to outlaw slavery!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:13 PM
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7. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize it. n/t
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:16 PM
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13. what's the objection exactly?
I'm a progressive liberal Democrat and have posted positive things about nearly all the candidates, and supported a number of current progressive issues.

So - what's the problem?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:12 PM
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4. Weren't you just defending Imus yesterday?
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:14 PM
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8. no
I've posted over and over again that he should be fired.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:13 PM
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5. and yet there is a school in Georgia who is having their FIRST INTEGRATED PROM (whites aren't going)
:eyes:

fuck off
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:15 PM
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10. Except he's not a Yankee
and he's not all that Northern, either.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Imus#Early_life
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:22 PM
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22. He's from California
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:16 PM
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12. Given that there has been entirely too much castigation of
southern fried bigots with the automatic broad brush that unthinking intolerant idiots use, I suppose an equal time rant could be in order, but don't you give a tinker's damn about your own credibility?
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:19 PM
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17. what's inaccurate?
Why would my credibility be damaged by posting the truth? Sure it's a little passionate but it's accurate - read the NY Post and there's a story every week about the cops shooting an unarmed Black man.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:18 PM
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14. well....
I think what the OP is trying to express is that racism occurs in all parts of our country. The south takes quite a beating around here.

I've lived in most regions of the country and by far, by FAR, the most racist place I've lived was Chicago, imho.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:32 PM
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33. I grew up outside of Chicago
and never heard the words he mentioned above or the "n" word used until I moved out of that area.

If you lived in a suburb I could see the racism-many suburbs have problems no matter where you go. But I never heard those words used (and definitely not in a public place, yelled out for all to hear) until I left that area.

BTW-I don't accuse the South of anything around here either. I usually stick up for Southerners since my best friend is one. (And if your best friend is from the South you might as well be too, since you'll be considered a member of the family anywhere you go.) My arguments have always been that it's a select group of people who are racists. The loudmouths always make everyone else look bad.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:41 PM
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42. I worked on the south side...
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 05:42 PM by Neecy
And I heard the n word a lot. I hated it (and always spoke out when I heard it). Some of the suburbs might be worse but the racial tensions on the south side were really bad. I lived on the north side and it was much more progressive.

On edit: I've never heard the words the OP used, either, anywhere I've lived.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:31 PM
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54. It just irritated me when the OP stated that people from one
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 06:37 PM by xmas74
region were racists. We both know that it has nothing to do w/ the region and everything to do w/ how certain people were raised.


And North Side vs South Side-they are as different as night and day. Then again, it's that way in nearly every city-one area is completely different from another.

Just wanted to add his argument about schools-I'm a white female. Growing up I went to schools w/ large hispanic and black populations. (Different schools because my parents moved a few times in the same city.) I never had a problem and I didn't know anyone else who had a problem w/ different backgrounds going to the same school. The only reason why my parents later sent me to a Catholic school was because I got lost on the bus-didn't remember which bus to take and it took me across town. After that happened they borrowed the money to send me to the Catholic school a block away from our house. They never had a problem w/ anyone I went to school with-it was all about the distance I had to travel. My mother didn't drive so I had to take public transportation, since the school district said I didn't qualify for bussing.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:20 PM
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19. I think i disagree and am greatly offended
I am a Yankee by birth, and I think you will disappear from my computer screen now.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:25 PM
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26. I am a Yankee by birth also and still am here in Northern NY.
I also disagree and am offended. I won't tell this person what I think of them, but I am sure thinking it!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:22 PM
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24. Hey troll?
Imass is from California!

Don Imus Biography (1940-)
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9542196

Radio talk show host. Born John Donald Imus, on July 23, 1940, in Riverside, California,
and raised in California and in Prescott, Arizona, with younger brother Fred, where his
father owned a cattle ranch......







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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:28 PM
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31. hey troll - his audience is the Northeast
he's friends with the Boston and NYC pols and political figures.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:25 PM
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27. what the hell are you talking about?
- A Chicagoan
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:26 PM
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28. Really?
I'm originally from the north and I had never heard the "n" word until I moved a bit further down. (Now in Missouri.)

In Missouri the "n" word is handed out like Tic-Tacs; when I lived outside of Chicago(I grew up there) I didn't really hear things like that. I had no idea what the KKK was until I moved. I didn't understand why such a thing should even exist and I didn't know why some in places outside of Chi-town thought it was such a big deal that one of my aunts was married to a black man and another married to a hispanic. The worst I ever heard growing up were comments back and forth about the Irish and the Italians. (Now I knew what those comments meant, since I am Irish and one of my best friends is Italian.)

Most of the racism I've run into has been as I've driven further south and it's only been by a few. Most Southerns are not racists and neither are most Northerners.

According to your logic, I should hate the children of one of my closest friends, since their mother is white and their father is black and I am a Northerner. I should also hate a few of my cousins, since they are half-Hispanic. And one of those cousins married a black man so I should really despise her and their children.

Guess what? People like you are the reason why we still have race relation problems. People like you want to blame an entire group instead of isolating the one troublemaker.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:27 PM
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29. I've lived in PA. for 57 years; have many Jersey relatives. I've NEVER, EVER
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 05:27 PM by WinkyDink
heard OR READ before now the words "moulignon" and "moolie".

I have no idea whom you think you are stereotyping.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:27 PM
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30. same here, I never heard these words before
I guess I should have paid more attention in my 34 years living in the Chicago area.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:29 PM
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32. I've heard it used in public on the trains MANY times
I've heard both terms used in public, on public transit between Boston and New York. Multiple times. By Whites referring to Blacks.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:33 PM
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34. thats a pretty easy thing to type
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 05:35 PM by LSK
but pretty damn hard for me to believe.

You need to learn about backing things up with facts versus just making up bullshit.

I lived in Des Plaines for 31 years then in Roselle in 3 years.

I went to UIC for college.

When were you ever in Chicago?

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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:35 PM
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35. uh-huh
I'm just making it up, no one really uses racial slurs in public - only on the radio I guess :eyes:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:37 PM
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37. how exactly do you pronounce "moulignon" and "moolie"???
:eyes:
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:44 PM
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46. here, check the dictionary:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:38 PM
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38. How do you know where they were from?
Please prove that the passengers you 'over heard' were from the NE or NY or where ever you claim this happened.

I think you're full of shit! Attacking people from the north to 'right a wrong', that you percieve in your little mind, is infantile.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:46 PM
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47. their accents sure sounded like New York
I can't believe that people would doubt this considering Imus' recent racial tirade. Do you really think America isn't racist, or that somehow we're "past" racism? *snicker*

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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:42 PM
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44. It didn't help that the
spelling of the insult is completely mangled. Having said that, it's pretty obvious the OP is either a troll or takes the Sopranos too seriously.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:13 PM
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50. ever thought maybe Sopranos watchers use the racial slurs
that are constantly used on TV shows like that? That's actually an interesting point, the Sopranos has some of the worst "ni--er" stereotypes on television.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:40 PM
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56. The only time I've heard the word "moolie"
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 06:46 PM by xmas74
was two Italian men yelling it at each other. I've always been told that it was a derogatory term about Italians. It took me a minute since I couldn't place the word as he was using it.

(And I grew up in a heavily Italian town. My hometown is just north of Chicago. And I just checked his dictionary definition of the word-that's not exactly how it's used by any means. It's derogatory but I've never once heard an Italian ever use the word against an African-American or even use it in reference to one.

I grew up around Italians and Sicilians and I've never once heard someone say it and have it mean the "n" word. When they said it the meaning was more along the lines of "f*cking idiot". )
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:35 PM
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36. Is this a satire?
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 05:37 PM by sleebarker
Because it does sound like the usual prejudiced anti-South diatribe painting every single Southerner as a KKK member.

But I admit that it did take me a few seconds to get it.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:40 PM
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41. It's all true, based on real events
Everything is based on real events that have happened up there. I'm not sure if it's satire or not but it's accurate.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:38 PM
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39. Holy trolly. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:39 PM
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40. I live in Mass and see what you say all the time.
We tend to associate racism with the South,but here in Mass it's just as bad,just under the surface (my own father used the term "raghead" the other day...this from a guy who votes Dem...go figure).In some ways it's more vile (if that's possible) because it's so casual like you say,and it gets dropped into conversations so offhanded it can almost be missed unless you're in tune to it.

I know some people are going to crucify you,but I see exactly what you're talking about.

Of course I have yet to go anywhere where I didn't find racists,sadly.If I find that place I'm moving there pronto.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:43 PM
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45. I live in MA and do not hear any of this.
Like any place in the country, MA has it's prejudiced people.
But to try to say this is the norm here, Forkboy, is bullshit!
Maybe you just hang out with some nasty people? :shrug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:25 PM
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52. Why infer I hang out with them?
I have no vehicle so I walk around a lot,take buses a lot,and run into a wide variety of interesting characters,99% of which I would prefer to never be within a hundred feet of.

I don't think it's the norm here,or anywhere,but that doesn't change it's negative effects on the people around those that have that view,norm or not.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:37 PM
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55. Probably the words you used.
"Everywhere you go..." "I hear it all the time in Mass..."

"Hanging out" means where ever you usually spend your time.

I didn't use it in terms of 'hanging out with your friends'.

Where I hang out, my digs, my usual travels; I don't hear that kind of crap talk.

Capiche?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:53 PM
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57. if you say so...
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:52 PM
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49. my friend likes to tell a story about North vs South
When she was young she lived in Ohio, and met someone who was from Alabama and gay. She made a remark like "I guess you're happy to be up here instead of down their where it's so homophobic." He responded that it's worse - in Alabama you knew where you stood with someone, but in Ohio people would be polite to his face then make "fag jokes" about him behind his back.

Now obviously that's a generalization...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:22 PM
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51. That's what I've seen.
My buddy worked with a guy who did that all the time,and a few months ago my friend finally had it and called him on it.So he got his foreman,a rather large and muscular black man,into the room and demanded the guy repeat the joke he had just told.Needless to say to the guy was chickenshit,and was very friendly to the foreman's face.

When my friend told the foreman the joke he thanked him for pointing out the man's thought process and shook his hand.Made my friend's week.

And don't even get me going on how many people in school were like that. :puke:

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 06:27 PM
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53. Imus would have been elected president down south,,,,,, oh,, wait. eom
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:04 PM
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58. What he has SAID for YEARS is the QUESTION...not Regional Cultrual Differences
that you are trying to THROW OUT AS STRAW MAN ARGUMENT!

Imus said what he did and he's said more and about as evil for YEARS! Don't blame this on Yankee's who don't know any better.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:11 PM
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59. Locking.
"Do not post messages that are bigoted against (or grossly insensitive toward) any person or group of people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, lack of religion, disability, physical characteristics, or region of residence."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detai...

Thanks.

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