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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:14 AM
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Imagine no Insurance lobby..no banking lobby..no Pharma lobby.. no Oil lobby
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 04:26 AM by SoCalDem
With the fantastic communication system we have, there is NO need to do much more than to create "political channels", and fire them up before elections.

Any viable candidate could have "access" (in equal doses, of course, with the other ones). They could lay out their agenda, without screaming heads interrupting them every 7 seconds. there could be actual debates too..real debates.

Election season would last 6 months..and 6 months only.

No paid tv ads would be allowed..only print ads..and ads that were proven false would be pulled.

This would be at no cost to the candidates. The only out-of-pocket expenses they would have, would be for a modest staff and print materials. With a 6 month campaign, there would be a lot less needed. With the internet everywhere these days, they could use it, and for a lot less money.

Lobbyist money should be illegal. It's quid pro quo, any way you slice it. There is NO way that a corporation "gives" a person the bazillions of dollars they do now , to "win a job" that pays under $200K, unless there are mega-returns on the horizon. Lobbyists are to politics, what steroids are to baseball. Cheating.

Public funding is ultimately cheaper than paying bribes dressed up as bad legislation, to billionaire business people.

SCOTUS made a huge error when they allowed "personhood" to corporations. Corporations "are" people, but each one of the people making up that corporation already HAS a vote. The only justification for giving corporate personhood, is to negate all those individual votes, in the form of massive campaign donations. Why would a corporation want to do that?

Take Walmart for example. Do all those downtrodden workers at walmart really NOT want health care, higher wages, better hours & working conditions? They don't have a chance against the all-powerful corporation that owns them.

Candidates we should be voting for, cannot compete, with things the way they are now. There are people "out there", from whom we will never hear, because their good ideas will never make it into the electoral arena. Corporatists like the legislators they currently own and operate.

By opting in to the "service economy", we have tied ourselves to the corporatists, like never before. Someone wondered aloud the other day, about why we don't have millions of people taking to the streets over the health care issue.

We don't have them because the jobs-situation is so bleak, that most people cannot afford to miss work to protest. They are hopelessly indentured. People are in debt, they have mortgages, they have kids who need health insurance, they have car payments, college tuition... they cannot afford to be seen "making waves".

Long ago, the powers that be decided that the welfare, comfort & personal security of the people were nowhere near as important as the balance sheets of a few powerful tycoons, and with the exception of a few rare times in history, it's probably always been that way, and always will be that way.

We all spend the first 2 decades under the influence of our parents & family, the next 3 decades under the thumb of our employers, and the remaining decades, at the mercy of our government. We are led to believe that we have freedom, but without the security to elect fair-minded, honest people to do our bidding, those freedoms are very limited.





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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:22 AM
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1. kr - succinct & too true.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:29 AM
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2. Lobbying should be banned
and corporations should lose their "person hood"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:33 AM
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:44 AM
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5. I am not advocating censorship. Just PAID ads on MY public airwaves
The candidates whould have FREE access on the political channels..hell even give each party a couple of them to use, and a combination channel for debates.

They can talk their little voiceboxes hoarse..andf it would even BE "free speech", since they would not have to pay for it.

That gives OTHER PEOPLE a chance to tell us about their good ideas too..

The corporate boss has free speech, and so do his/her employees, and they should have ONE vote per HUMAN..and NO Money-vote that trumps all the others.

In the "Animal Farm" scenario we have now, the pigs that are MORE equal than others (because of their money) , also have most/all of the public airwaves at their beck and call, and everyone else has virtually NONE. The lobbyists shovel money into the coffers of the chosen-ones, who in turn, shovel it into the coffers of big-media ..it's just one big circle and the money all ends up back in the same coffers where it started...but with EXTRA from the taxpayers..through all the shitty legislation that robs us blind, and does not help us at all.



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Coffee and Cake Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:07 AM
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11. They can have free acces on "political channels"?
What does that mean? Before you digress into "Animal Farm", can you please state what restriction you will put on people running for public office?
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:54 AM
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8. There is no censorship in banning corporations from their lobbying efforts.
The CEO or any board member would still have the right to contact representatives and address grievances.

Banning corporate lobbying (and true campaign finance reform) would put the government back in the hands of We the People.
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Coffee and Cake Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:11 AM
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12. L2Read.
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 05:15 AM by Coffee and Cake
I agree with you on the ill of crony capitalism, as I previously stated, but the OP wants to take censorship to the next level.

Instead of allowing people violation, the OP wants to creates a "political paradise" instead of relying upon voluntary action.

He wants to create "Political Channels".
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:45 AM
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17. Point taken.
You can't very well ban corporations from all advertising, although I think they could be barred from political advertising and fundraising activities.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:42 AM
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4. bugger them all, it says 'right to redress' and that includes we the people
fuck them! :kick: then push grover norquist into a fucked up mud puddle :kick: :kick:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:48 AM
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6. Grover Norquist
is as despicable as Richard the dick Cheney.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:53 AM
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7. People like him are the result of electing republicans.. they NEVER LEAVE the scene
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 05:03 AM by SoCalDem
Democrats know how to exit gracefully. They go off and do something else, and rarely try to rule from the "out-of-power" seats.

republicans just recycle into lobbyist spots, think tanks & FoxNews.. They are zombies..vampires & werewolves, all rolled into one.. They feel they must always "be there" , defending their miserable policies, and running down any effort at putting decent ones in place.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:59 AM
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10. Wish I had an answer
for this dilemma.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:57 AM
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9. K&R We could certainly limit length of elections and types
of advertising. I'm there. These long and expensive elections mostly assure that only those with deep pockets get elected. Lobbying is destroying our representative gov't. Yes, ban corporations as "individuals".
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:22 AM
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13. 3 Little Words: No Corporate Participation
And it's not really "about elections." It's about government in total -- our government -- you know, We The People. The ones in large type on the contract known as the US Constitution (currently in breach).

This is not simply some idealistic notion, but a matter of enforcing the terms of a long-standing contract. We merely need an injunction against their massive and ongoing "tortious interference" with our contractual right to govern our political affairs among ourselves for our mutual benefit.

There is no reason for any commercial interest to participate in our political process. Corporations can be free to have their "personhood" legal fiction for the purposes of torts and taxes. But there is no reason to confer upon them the rights, privileges, and duties (as if) of a "US Citizen" -- of a Principal to the contract that has existed between and among We The People since our founding.

We The Principals need to enforce that principle. If we did, the rest would fall into place.

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:32 AM
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14. Reminds Me Of A Song
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 06:33 AM by global1
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I love your quote: Lobbyists are to politics, what steroids are to baseball. Cheating.

K&R this post.
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daedalus_dude Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:45 AM
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15. ...it's easy if you try ...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:48 AM
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16. Ads proven false pulled AND the Advertiser PAYS for the retraction ad.
Otherwise there's still no incentive to be honest.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:50 PM
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18. Obama was wrong
Healthcare IS a prime issue... But election reform should have come first. Nothing meaningful will pass because congress is bought and paid for...

The entire system is biased to the money, not the people...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:54 AM
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19. Media ownership reform & election reform have to be first
or nothing else can happen fairly.

When the wrong people are installed in office, and the media distorts truth, is it really a surprise how messed up everything gets?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:13 AM
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20. Not a surprise at all
A politician's first priority is his/her next election... that takes money...

How can we change this crap?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:16 AM
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21. Artificial Persons (Corporations) should have no Constitutional Rights.
Edited on Sun Aug-02-09 12:16 AM by anonymous171
:kick:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:19 AM
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22. Dont you mean No Bribery of our Congress??
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