Lindsey Graham sets off my blackdar, anyone else?

[dsc]

Now I don't really care if Lindsey Graham is black but it is about the hypocrisy. He is against civil rights laws so it would be hypocritical if he were black, not that I have any real evidence, he just sets off my blackdar, if you know what I mean.

Now of course this is ridiculous. If I really believed that crap I would be borderline delusional. Why is it OK to replace gay with black in this?

[FSogol]

1. He sets off my beerdar - He's someone I never want to have a beer with. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

2. Your post reminds me of this rumored item.....

from a few years gone by....

There was a rumor about this guy....Bob Barr

:

[dsc]

3. you know I forgot about that

He would have been a great example.

[Jim Sagle]

4. Which reminds me....

:9

[salguine]

46. Who is that?

[Jim Sagle]

51. Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA).

[burning rain]

33. I immediately thought of Barr, too.

He had the irony of being vocally antagonistic toward blacks, while having facial features that suggested some black ancestry.

[mitchum]

61. Why, there's ol' "Passin' Bob"

[Ken Burch]

5. For a second there, I thought you wrote "Lindsey Graham sets off my bladder".

Which is also an understandable response.

[Quasimodem]

6. I thought so, too

Sort of like when a dog sees a tree, right?

[BlooInBloo]

7. If I didn't hear gay folks say that often, I'd be with you.

[dsc]

8. the fact some gays buy into the stereotypes don't make them any less stereotypes

[Ken Burch]

11. The question is...given that Graham has been an enemy of the LGBT community

why would it bother you to see it being raised? Isn't nailing the guy on hypocrisy a valid point?

It was never the centerpiece of my own political program to focus on this guy, but why do you see the use of this tactic against an enemy of LGBT people as being harmful? Doesn't look to me like it would actually harm that community, but I'd like to hear it from you.

And, well, if Graham was "passing" as well as closeted, somehow it wouldn't surprise me.

[dsc]

16. because I am sick to death of every bad person being thought of as gay

we never see Paul Wellstone was gay posts. Gay ends up being a point of attack. It happens literally all the time. Rush is gay, Lindsey is gay, etc.

[Uzybone]

20. and you respond with blackdar

are you saying you think being called black is also an attack?

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

24. (facepalm)

[Ignis]

41. But personal attacks convey your point so much more clearly.

:eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

23. Not every. I never hear about Chuck Norris being gay, for example...

:P


More seriously, note that it doesn't make sense to go after *good* people on hypocrisy (for any subject) - because then they wouldn't be *good*. It's the hypocrisy that gay and straight folks are after, when making such gaydar speculations.

It just happens to be the case that the hypocrisy in some Graham speculations is about being gay. Well, in addition to Graham's other hypocrisies - heh.

[dsc]

29. Oh please

It is hard to escape the notion that gay is bad if every time it comes up it is bad people. You would be the very first to complain if this were happening with black instead of gay.

[BlooInBloo]

31. (shrug) It actually never occurred to me that the Americablog folks...

associated gay with bad. I really thought they were pointing at the hypocrisy speculatively involved. But possibly you're right.

[redqueen]

64. I don't use the term myself,

cause I seem not to have 'gaydar'... but I've heard it used many times about people who weren't bad... they were just people who these other people thought were gay.

So in my experience it's not always used about 'bad' people... although in the context of politics it does often come up about republicans, most of whom we'd characterize as 'bad'.

[donheld]

25. Don't like my gaydar, too bad

It goes off on Graham. No stereotype about it.

[ldf]

42. mine, too.

big time.

:shrug:

[Ken Burch]

30. OK, I hear what you're saying.

I do think it's mainly other gay people who started this and that you're going to have to take it up with them.

[JVS]

52. What about Alan Keyes, he sets off lots of people's black-dar and I don't hear people call him gay

[Chulanowa]

55. I've only ever seen it used to attack the hypocrisy of the "pro family" dipshits

And never used to attack gay people.

The people most vocal about the "gay menace" very often turn out to practice exactly what they preach against. I'm not sure how noting this trend impugns other gay people. Perhaps you could explain it to my ignorant breeder ass?

[joeybee12]

59. Some SC politician...I forget her name...outed him, and then said whoops!

That started the buzz.

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. First of all,

is there any evidence that he IS, in fact , gay?

[Ken Burch]

26. I don't actually know, and, whether he is or isn't is not a huge priority for me

I'm just not sure why this guy's rep is our concern.

[dsc]

34. gee but you have no negative thoughts of gays

but here you say it would damage his rep. What a shock.

[Ken Burch]

38. I don't

But this goes to the whole question of "outing", and, were it to be determined that Graham was, in fact gay, it would be valid to point out that the man was, in that case, a hypocrite.

Don't look for reasons to attack me, here.

I've never said much of anything about Graham. Nor do I plan to start. OK?

[Smarmie Doofus]

36. You're being a trifle evasive but upthread you ask:

>>>>It was never the centerpiece of my own political program to focus on this guy, but why do you see the use of this tactic against an enemy of LGBT people as being harmful? Doesn't look to me like it would actually harm that community, but I'd like to hear it from you.>>>>>

And the answer is ... lacking any evidence at all that he IS gay....it is harmful because you're attributing homosexuality to him when you actually mean "creepiness". As another poster put it ( less ambiguously) downthread.

You don't like him. I don't either. He's a creep. But when one adds ... by implication or otherwise... " he's a homo"... one equates "gay" with "creep".

He's not gay, far as we know. He IS a creep.

Can't he just be a creep? Why does he have to be gay? Especially when he isn't.

The equation hurts gays. Not creeps.

Comprendes?

[Ken Burch]

37. I'm not attributing anything to the guy

I had nothing personally to do with the "Graham's a closet case" meme.

And I personally don't believe that it's a negative thing for a person to be gay.

So don't pin this on me.

[Ken Burch]

9. Wasn't the "Graham's a closet case" thing STARTED by LGBT's?

How did it suddenly get to be seen as antigay?

[BlooInBloo]

10. I don't know, and I don't know.

[Ken Burch]

12. I was posting in support to your post, not questioning you

n/t.

[BlooInBloo]

13. That's cool - I just don't know the answers to those questions. :)

[rurallib]

14. Babe Ruth was always the object of speculation

[dsc]

18. I had honestly never heard of that

[rurallib]

28. it was one of those things that was whispered about when he played

and finally became public in the '70s I believe.
His youth is cloudy. He was sent to a boarding school at a young age. The area of Baltimore that he was from was extremely rough. Speculation was that his real father was a black man.
The way he dominated baseball was unbelievable. I believe the year he hit 59 homers it was more than all the other teams combined.
Not to forget that he was a standout pitcher to start his career.

[Ken Burch]

32. I heard once, that in the television listings in Greece

they had a program description for this movie about Lou Gehrig, accompanied with Lou and the Babe walking off the field arm in arm, and it somehow came out like "this film depicts the relationship of Lou Gehrig and the beautiful 'Babe' Ruth".

[mitchum]

62. As was J Edgar Hoover (both the black and gay thing)

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. He sets off my creepdar

[Smarmie Doofus]

19. I'm thinking, that's exactly why he sets off people's "gaydar". nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. I don't equate gay and creepy

[Smarmie Doofus]

44. You don't; others do. Hence this thread. nt

[chollybocker]

21. Lindsey's Latina vibe is finally surfacing.

coo-chee-coo-chee

[Ken Burch]

27. self-delete

n/t.

[chollybocker]

40. Just follow the votes....

;)

[Sal Minella]

35. Sets off my Priggish Sunday School Teacherdar. nt

[Ken Burch]

39. If anything, he set of my "Ned Flandersdar"

[Lugnut]

45. He sets off my gag reflex.

:shrug:

[salguine]

47. He sets off my asshole-dar.

[ContinentalOp]

48. The "Lindsey Graham is gay" thing is just an acceptable way for Democrats to say..

har har, he's a fag cause of the way he talks.

[SleeplessInAlabama]

49. Lindsey Graham's battleship sets off my radar, anyone else? n/t

[blossomstar]

50. I think there's something "dark" about him.

I feel awful for thinking that. Just something about the way he smacks his lips sometimes when he talks in that southern drawl. He's hiding something awful.

[TheKentuckian]

53. The only people that would care if Graham is gay are the people that vote for him, that hate gays.

But I fully understand wanting no association with Graham and his ilk. Hell, I'm no longer calling myself human in order to get some separation from Dick Cheney.

[Sal Minella]

58. Does it work? The separation-from-Cheney thing?

If it works for you, I'm willing to try it.

[alittlelark]

54. Uhhhh, one is obvious on the surface, the other is not??????????

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[dsc]

60. not necessarily

under the old race codes one was black if one had one black great grand parent. I don't know if that would be obvious.

[Ken Burch]

63. The old "one drop theory", as explored by Mark Twain in Puddinhead Wilson

n/t.

[struggle4progress]

56. Lindsey Graham owes me a Loonie-meter™

I was testing it when he came along, and after that it was broken

Now, personally, I have nothing against loonies. Some of my best friends are loonies. Heck, most of my best friends are loonies. In fact, maybe all of my best friends are loonies. But you have to draw a line somewhere, and I prefer to draw that line before my loonie-meter breaks

[TaffyMoon]

57. Popinjay.

He certainly is.