I'm starting to think that the birth certificate nonsense is code talk for "He's Black"

[Odin2005]

Sure, there are a lot of suckers who really think that he's not a naturally-born citizen, but I'm starting to think that the "core" Birthers don't really believe the BS, they use it as racist code talk for "blacks aren't real Americans and shouldn't be president."

That's all it comes down to, is race. If not the Birth Certificate BS they would of found some other way to imply that he shouldn't be president because of his race. It's disgusting. :puke:

[Forkboy]

1. "Starting"?

;)

[HowHasItComeToThis]

19. HI

[HowHasItComeToThis]

22. OOPS

[Forkboy]

29. I like the cut of your jib.

:)

[Forkboy]

2. "Starting"?

;)

[EFerrari]

25. I vote we rec this thread because Odin is right and someone might not get it yet.

:)

[Odin2005]

26. +1000

[Forkboy]

30. It's a deal.

:hi:

[Fuzz]

3. Starting?

[MADem]

4. Hee hee...you're just figuring that out? NT

[WeDidIt]

5. Wow, I came to grips with that one more than a year ago.

:evilgrin:

[madmax]

6. The ahaaa moment :-)

:hug:

[Odin2005]

23. LOL, thanks!

:hug: :hi:

[Confusious]

7. I'm with the first poster "starting?"

I knew it was the minute I heard it.

[Odin2005]

13. Ack, must be one of my Asperger's moments!

Only getting these implied code things long after most other people do is my MO! :spank:

[EFerrari]

17. Well, you're right. It is racist code.

And don't :spank: yourself. :hi:

[Odin2005]

21. Thanks!

:)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. Always view these off-the-wall capers

as having racism at their roots, and you won't go wrong.

But, congrats on having figured it out.

You'll see racism a lot if you look closely...............

[Confusious]

44. Don't kill yourself

I thought "family values" meant family values for a while.

[Skittles]

8. JAYSUS ODIN do I need to KICK YOUR ASS?

it's always been easier for these bastards to question a birth certificate than it is for them to wail about a black president - get with the program already

[nc4bo]

9. More like "not like 'us'".

(Did I do the quote thing correctly?)

If Obama were say a Latino like Sonya Sotomayer....they'd be saying close to the same (haven't they proved that already?).

[EFerrari]

12. When you say not like us to Republicans, that means black, for future ref.

[nc4bo]

14. Then what do you call what they have said about our future SC Justice?

black, brown, yellow - not like them.

Just so happens "that one" is black.

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[Renaissance Man]

11. Wait..

You're just starting to believe this? So, after this was proven to be a total nut-based conspiracy theory before he was elected, that thought didn't cross your mind?

[Odin2005]

15. LOL, see post 13.

:)

[AnneD]

16. Every one knows......

slaves don't have BC....do you really need a sarcasm icon?

[sandnsea]

18. Only white people are Americans

Everybody else is an interloper. That's what it's code for.

[AllyCat]

24. It is. Anyone I talk to who realizes the craziness of this mentions

"it's just because he's black". I think most people get it or are on their way. Welcome to the club!

[Arkana]

27. That's always been it.

He's a *gasp* NEGRO! And he's *double gasp* PRESIDENT!

[Odin2005]

34. The racists' heads have been exploding since November.

Though I fear some crazies of them will do a lotta violence when they blow! :scared:

[Bolo Boffin]

28. Yes, indeed.

They get to say "Kenya, Kenya, Kenya, Kenya" all respectable-like.

Got it in one.

[donheld]

31. Glad you finally arrived.

You're late! :spank:

[Odin2005]

33. I'm ALWAYS late!

I have Asperger's Syndrome, I suck at seeing little implied code things like that! :banghead: :rofl:

[rocktivity]

32. DING DING DING! Odin2005, you're our grand prize winner!

Of COURSE that's what it's all about! Saying "Blacks shouldn't be president" would be too OBVIOUS. But "Obama isn't really an American" sounds a lot more--SERIOUS. That's why it's so hard for them to face facts--even when the Obama-Gates-Crowley affair has literally handed them a "legitimate" racial issue.

Talking about birthers and Obama-Gates-Crowley serves another purpose--it prevents them from talking about health care reform. They don't want to do that because any public option will cost them health care industry advertising revenues.

:eyes:
rocktivity

[travelingtypist]

35. They're pissed off that this -- insert racial epithet here --

is the president that they're channeling that rage into the only "acceptable" outlet they have. If they could get away with it, I think some of them would openly advocate for lynching him. What were those folks at the Palin rally saying? "Kill him, kill him, kill him."

[Odin2005]

37. +1

Remember "THAT ONE!!!"? that pretty sums them up.

[MellowDem]

36. I think it's more "he's foriegn" personally...

And his skin color is part of that for sure. His name is a lot of that as well. Also the fact that he's not African-American in the sense of most black Americans but Kenyan-American (as well as Irish and other, which the birthers generally ignore), with a lot of international creds as well.

Indeed, the only reason the birth certificate can be an issue is because of his percieved "foriegness". If he was African-American, they would be taking a different tact entirely.

Don't forget the religious connotations as well. Being a Muslim and whatnot.

I just feel the foriegn aspect is really the part being pushed, a general xenophobia, though race is part of that puzzle.

[Odin2005]

38. Uh, Obama's not a Muslim, that's a Puke talking point.

:wtf:

[MellowDem]

41. I know...

I was listing that talking point that they use against him as another example of pushing him as being a foriegner. :)

[Odin2005]

43. Doh, there is my Asperger's again, taking things literally!

:rofl:

[MellowDem]

48. It's ok...

I wasn't very clear. I could say how it could be taken that way. :)

[Odin2005]

49. No problem!

:hi:

[anonymous171]

40. These freeper types think that only whites are "true Americans"

[Odin2005]

46. +1, You get a cookie!!!

:)

[MellowDem]

47. Yes, white...

and Christian, and born in the lower 48, preferably the Heartland, certainly not bi-racial or going to school in Indonesia.

It's scary enough that his skin color isn't the same, but the rest just terrifies them even more.

[Turborama]

56. Muslin*

And, let's not forget this one that they had a lot of fun with...



Also, "Pallin' around with terrorists" was another dog whistle they used...

Remember http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E?">these loons?

It was all intended to plant racist seeds about Obama in the minds of the already bigoted wingnuts and possibly brainwash along the way a few more who may have similar inclinations. There's lots of room in their racism tent.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean those seeds didn't germinate, as can be seen with the recent resurgence of the "birther" movement.

ETA: this post isn't aimed at the poster I was replying to, it's more of a general summation in agreement with the context.

[optimal-tomato]

39. I'm starting to think these glasses I bought are racist.

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Welcome to the game. n/t

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

45. He's Kenyan dontcha know.

They aren't exactly subtle.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. Ha! Starting to? Its a fucking dog whistle to the point hat crowd

[Froward69]

51. yes but

they will accuse YOU of reverse discrimination, if you point this simple truth out to them.
I simply question their sanity.

[Historic NY]

52. Really, no, you figured out the code....you can have..

:donut:

[unblock]

53. "hmmm. something's different about this guy. can't. quite. figure. it. out. wait, don't tell me"

"maybe he's, uh, canadian or something. no, that's not it. definitely something different about this guy. hmmmmm."



yuppers. straight from the republican playbook about how to appeal to bigots without overtly being bigoted yourself.

[Odin2005]

54. KICK

[PVnRT]

55. Yes. 100% racist garbage.

It has been since this popped up way back in the primaries.

[LeftishBrit]

57. I've thought that, ever since it started!

And also he has too many connections with all those Bloody Foreigners (e.g. stepfather from Indonesia, and he lived there for a while; brought up in Hawaii which is full of non-whites and really *shouldn't* be part of the USA from the RW point of view!) so he can't be American. Someone like Dubya, who never travelled abroad before being president despite having plenty of money, and who certainly doesn't know any foreign languages, is much more their type!

[suffragette]

58. Glad you posted this

It's good to say point blank what the motivation really is.
K&R

[jmondine]

59. Ya think!?

[ieoeja]

60. I was going to post "starting?" but see I was preceeded ... by everyone.

I believe you got it 100% when you say it is code for "blacks aren't real Americans." I imagine a whole lot of folks were saying, "Obama's not a real American," before someone came up with the idea of disbelieving his birth certificate.

[rosesaylavee]

61. Well... Yeah!

But I guess I am late to the thread and you already know that we all think that too. K and Ring for others who are not aware of this yet.

[sabrina 1]

62. What else? Have you read some of their

stuff? I always thought that's what it was about. It was bound to happen, they just think they found a way to make their 'concerns' seem legitimate. A few of them are probably dumb enough to believe it but the majority of those I have seen are truly scary, hateful creeps.

I picture them in sheets. I haven't noticed any minorities among them ~

[marshall]

63. They do often reference the use of the word "African" to describe Obama Sr.'s race

Supposedly the common phrasing back in 61 would have been "Negro", as a parallel term for "Caucasian".