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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:47 AM
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Holder Joins Conyers in Demanding Action
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers has called on Attorney General Eric Holder to open a criminal investigation into the misdeeds of former president George W. Bush and former vice president Richard B. Cheney.

Holder, in turn, has now called on Conyers to open impeachment proceedings against former head of the Office of Legal Council Jay Bybee, now a judge in the Ninth Circuit.

Conyers, in response, has demanded that Holder open a complete investigation of 14 different areas of criminal enterprise and appoint an independent counsel, offering a list of eight possible candidates.

Holder, in reply, has insisted that Conyers reissue all of the subpoenas his committee has failed to enforce over the past two and a half years and use the Capitol Police to enforce them at once.

In response, Conyers' office has issued a new report on the need to weed out corruption and undo politically motivated prosecutions by the U.S. Department of Justice.

This morning, the attorney general remarked at a televised press conference, "Chairman Conyers proposed five months ago to extend to 10 years the statutes of limitations on crimes allegedly committed under the previous administration. Introducing a bill might be a way to begin making that happen. Just an idea. I'm no expert."

Surprisingly, John Conyers removed a large Easter bonnet that had been disguising him, stood up in the back of the room and shouted: "Mr. Attorney General, the former vice president of the United States confesses to authorizing torture every time he leaves his house. You are required by law to indict him. Are you waiting for Marc Rich's permission?"

Attorney General Holder cut him off, declaring from the microphone at the podium: "The distinguished gentleman has spent the past three years refusing to enforce subpoenas or attempt impeachments, making a laughing stock of one branch of government, and now wants another branch to act on the basis of his reports as if we can't do our own thinking and must employ the U.S. Congress as a think tank. Does he imagine we don't know that torture is against the law?"

Conyers, age 80, stood on a chair and announced: "Mr. Attorney General, the vice president's house is about two miles across the river and I would be delighted to point it out to you."

Holder appeared to consider this momentarily before replying: "Chairman Conyers, it has been over a year since you subpoenaed Mr. Cheney. If you've given your Mapquest directions for his house to the Capitol Police and they haven't found it yet, something must be defective."

"You're scared," was Conyers' startling reply.

"No, you are," was the remarkable response from the attorney general.

The press conference continued to degenerate, and recounting the rest would serve no clear purpose other than embarassment.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:58 AM
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1. I missed that on C-Span but it pleases me greatly that you were able to capture it
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 08:00 AM by ThomWV
Because your recantation is just as I envision what could easily have been.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:01 AM
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2. you mean
you don't really believe me? :-)
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:02 AM
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3. There is no question in my mind ....
we share minds ...
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:18 AM
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4. If only this really happened
John Conyers in an Easter bonnet!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:23 AM
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5. Danged if you didn't just sucker punch me
Oh how I wish this was true. I know I know, shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which fills faster
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:01 AM
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9. just woke up..beenn offline for a few days..still sleepy and this the first thing i read
in my half dream state... you got me for a minute ....
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:28 AM
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6. don't go breaking my heart. . . .
Paragraph two made my spirit soar. .

Paragraph four made me tear up with joy. .

Paragraph six sent me crashing to Earth.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:47 AM
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7. so
sorry
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:26 AM
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33. The DoJ doesn't do "the people's" business any longer.. Can't even stop the Siegleman fiasco.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:27 AM
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34. How can we begin to de-Bushify the gov when Obama won't replace the USAs
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:28 AM
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35. The very same loyal Bushies are still in place. WTF Holder.Don't U care about the DoJ?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:31 AM
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36. The press would be all over this if it were a repub president.(Stevens instead of Siegleman)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:59 AM
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8. Rueful lol. nt
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:42 AM
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10. Sadly, too close to the truth to be funny n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:53 AM
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11. devastating. on Conyers...what the hell gives with this man? what do they have one him?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:54 AM
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12. You really should put "Satire" in your subject line. NT
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:16 AM
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14. Nope. The whole point of writing something like that is to see
how far he can run with you on the spoon before you fall off.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:18 AM
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15. Well, I think it's cruel and rude to waste people's time. It erodes trust. YMMV. NT
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:19 AM
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18. self-delete nt
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 11:24 AM by Mithreal
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:15 AM
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13. The perfect illustration of the current circular firing squad! n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:20 AM
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16. What they said. Great piece David.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:04 AM
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17. yeah, david....in our dreams! n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:21 AM
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19. That was just CRUEL!
Shame on you!
K&R
:patriot:
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:08 PM
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20. my, my david! from whence within did this come? lol . k & r
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:26 PM
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28. some
preexisting condition i've got
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:55 PM
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30. some ailments shouldn't be cured. n/t and be sure...
to send a copy to each of those gentlemen (and their friends).
Mark it as a "Petition", for it is as elegant
a petition commanding action as I have long seen.

I'd be pleased to be included as co-sponsor.
-Piewhacket

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:18 PM
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21. K&R
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:28 PM
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22. Damn, you had me going there for a minute.
:patriot:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:13 PM
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23. Send this to Mr. Conyers, and Mr. Holder.
Let them know that this is how you imagine them working on getting a hold of the the criminals.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:02 PM
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25. Better yet, have a cartoonist print it up....barring that, a LTTE
This belongs on a billboard....or full-page ad!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:58 PM
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24. K & Rec +31
:kick:
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:10 PM
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26. I hate these kind of jokes, especially from you.
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 04:11 PM by mirrera
UGHHHHHHH!!!

Please put something to indicate it is satire.

Edit to say I mean "from you" because you are an absolute hero, and I read all your posts first.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:27 PM
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29. thanks
and sorry
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:17 PM
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27. Love it, David Swanson. You really pegged them. What cowards.
No wonder Cheney says that Obama is not willing to defend the country. He knows because if there is anyone that Obama should against whom Obama should be defending us, it's Cheney himself. And Obama (and Holder) and friends are doing nothing about Cheney's crimes.

When Cheney asserted publicly that the difference between his view of torture and the view that Obama has expressed is one of policy Cheney sort of drew his sword. He challenged Obama to assert that torture is a crime, not a matter of policy. Obama has remained silent on this crucial question. Of course, in the end, only a court can decide, and the U.S. Supreme Court is packed with judges hand-picked by Cheney and other extreme right-wing conservatives.

It may be that Holder and Cheney are simply waiting until they can get stronger people on the Court to counter Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas. Sop far, Obama has not even been able to get Sotomayor's appointment approved although that is a pretty obvious fait accompli.

But, somehow, Obama has to challenge Cheney's assertion that whether to torture or not is merely a policy issue, not a crime. This is the most important issue of our day.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:26 PM
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31. My Goodness. Why Didn't Obama Step In?
Oh right. Too much drama for Obama.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:08 AM
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37. He did. That's the problem!!!
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HiyaEmerald Eyes Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:57 PM
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32. we all have our dreams
.
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Creationismsucks Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:16 AM
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38. Don't Waste my Time Like That Please.


Jesus,

I post in the wrong forum, and everyone tells me about it. Why do people get away with this kind of bullshit?
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 02:49 AM
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39. I believe it when Boosh and Darth Cheney are behind bars.
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mdavies013 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 05:41 AM
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40. Just email post to Conyers and Holder - Titled "Your Job Evaluation via True Democrats"

Doubt they will open...throw in a little more hope...and hope that they do.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:00 AM
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41. Kicking like hell.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

And, rec'ing, too.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:05 AM
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42. Hey! Maybe you can BOTH do stuff at the same time!
:think:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:18 AM
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43. Thanks David....exasperated chuckling here...
:D
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:19 AM
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44. Well, I for one liked it.
And I wasn't TOO taken in. Just sorry it WASN'T true. Nice piece.
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johnhkennedy Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:38 PM
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45. Rep. Conyers Blocked Impeachment and Is Blocking Investigation and Prosecution in His Committee
Millions of Amercians worked to have Cheney and Bush Impeached. Most of us thought we could trust and count on Rep. John Conyers to start Impeachment Hearings as soon as he became Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee in January of 2007.

We even delivered to Rep. Conyers a petition with over 1,100,000 signatures asking him to start Impeachment Hearings.

The 80 year old congressman who has been in office for 40+ years used to have a great liberal reputation. Conyers has been described as the “powerful Chairman of the Judiciary Committee” but has accomplished very little in protecting our Constitution from the ravages of the Bush-Cheney Administration or bringing violators of our Federal Anti-Torture Laws to justice.


His House Committee is where the Impeachment Process had to be started.

Conyers has been a big disappointment to Impeachment and Torture Accountability Advocates. He portrayed himself as the Champion of Impeachment in the House, but blocked Impeachment for years and kept Rep. Kucinich’s Bush-Cheney Impeachment Bills from ever being seriously debated in his committee or voted on.

Conyers accepted an IMPEACHMENT PETITION SIGNED BY 1.1 MILLION VOTERS but IGNORED IT AND HAD THOSE DELIVERING IT ARRESTED. He never mentioned the 1.1 Million Signature Petition after that day.

Strange behavior from the “Champion of Impeachment”.

Conyers is on the board of Progressive Democrats Of America but even they can't get him to do his duty.

Now we see in the Washington Post that a "Conservative Group Calls For Probe Of Conyers - Wife's Case Raises Disclosure Issue" http://tr.im/uezF

and in the Detroit newspapers that Rep. Conyers could be involved in his wife's Federal Bribery Conviction.

"Riddle implicates Rep. John Conyers in wife’s corruption troubles"
http://tinyurl.com/mkxftx

"What did Rep. John Conyers know?"
http://tinyurl.com/mp9t4l

"Rep. John Conyers not talking about waste-well letter.-Explanation asked for shift"
http://tinyurl.com/lczr6q

"Rep. John Conyers defends switching position on toxic wells"
http://tinyurl.com/nhqnnu

"Rep. Conyers’ office defends flip-flop"
http://tinyurl.com/mdd3sv

Perhaps given Conyers age, poor performance holding the Bush-Cheney criminals to account And his possible involvement in his wife's Bribery Scandal we should not expect Rep. Conyers to do anything we want. Oh, but that would be absurd. He took an Oath to protect our Constitution. Pelosi should replace him as Chairman.

If HJC Chairman Conyers does not soon start hearings in his Committee on the crimes of the Bush Administration
WE Must Call For His Resignation.



SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes
at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG


ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG



We must hang in there...
or our children or grandchildren may
be tortured and imprisoned without cause because of our failure.

.
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