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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 05:24 PM
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The Dead Or Alive award: Check out the NRA spin on the Thune amendment vote.....
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 05:25 PM by marmar
You spin me right round, baby right round like a record baby - round round round round :crazy:



Bipartisan Majority of the U.S. Senate Votes in Favor of National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity
Wednesday, July 22, 2009


Fairfax, Va. Today, by a margin of 58-39, a bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate voted in favor of an amendment offered by Senator John Thune to provide interstate recognition of right-to-carry permits. The amendment to S.1390, the National Defense Authorization Act, would acknowledge that the right to self-defense extends across state lines. Under this provision, individuals with carry permits from their home state, or who are otherwise allowed to carry a firearm in their home state, could carry in any other state that issues permits.

Todays strong majority vote in the U.S. Senate was an important step forward in the National Rifle Associations decades long effort to make right-to-carry and national reciprocity the law of the land, said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

Expanding right-to-carry enhances public safety, as criminals are deterred from attempting crimes when they know or suspect that their prospective victims are armed. A Department of Justice study found that 40 percent of felons had not committed crimes because they feared the prospective victims were armed. The Thune-Vitter amendment recognized that competent, responsible, law-abiding Americans still deserve our trust and confidence when they cross state lines.

Passing interstate right-to-carry legislation would not only reduce crime by deterring criminals, but -- most important of all -- would protect the right of honest Americans to protect themselves if deterrence fails.

While we are disappointed that the 60 vote procedural hurdle was not met, the vote shows that a bipartisan majority agrees with the NRA, said NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. We would like to thank Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) and Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), along with all senators who voted in favor of this amendment on both sides of the aisle. The efforts of these senators were not in vain, as the NRA will continue to work tirelessly to ensure this important legislation finds the right avenue to come before Congress once again.

-NRA-


http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=12...



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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 05:32 PM
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1. 58 to 39.....
We will win this issue soon!!!!!!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 05:41 PM
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3. Agree, progressive Democrats who fight for all inalienable rights will win when the 2nd is
incorporated in the 14th.

As SCOTUS said in Heller last year: "We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it shall not be infringed. As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), {t}his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed . . . .
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 05:35 PM
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2. The Senate vote will be interpreted various ways but an underlying question is whether RKBA is
incorporated in the 14th Amendment.

RKBA is an enumerated right protected by the 2nd and soon SCOTUS will hear cases to determine whether it is incorporated as are most other enumerated rights.

That question is important for other issues, e.g. same-sex marriage, because if an enumerated right like the 2nd is not incorporated, it is not likely that an unenumerated right like same-sex marriage will be incorporated.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 05:56 PM
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4. Fuck the NRA
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 06:53 PM
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8. And the horse they rode in on.
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N7255Q Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 06:00 PM
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5. That pesky 60 vote supermajority. Some people love it.
Even if it was a GOP invention.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 06:05 PM
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6. Also, we must remember..
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 06:06 PM by virginia mountainman
While they are fighting pro civil rights legislation...

They are distracted from pushing ANTI civil rights legislation!!

I am for just about anything that gives those Republican lead bastards heartburn! Let them fret and worry about their shaky house of cards...

After all...

Had they not pushed so hard back in the 1990's, We pro gun folks would not be so strong today...Now, let the Sarah Brady (R), Paul Helmke (R), Caroline McCarthy ex-(R), and M Bloomberg (R) lead forces feel the sting as most of the Senate, and Congress, slam doors in there faces

And they for damn certain don't want their endorsments...

What legislation should we push for next??
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 06:29 PM
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7. The pro gun crazytrain must be derailed!
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 06:59 PM
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9. LOL !!!!!!
My My, desperation setting in??

Get used to it....

:rofl:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 07:02 PM
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10. "Desperation" ????
Huh? :wtf:
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