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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:11 AM
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A better plan needed for 4-year-old panhandler (Parents refused help from San Fran)
Little Gavin Mills, the 4-year-old panhandler who evoked so much sympathy and concern from San Franciscans, has been taken from his parents by Child Protective Services.

It is an incredibly difficult decision to take a child away from his mother and father, but in this case it is the right choice.

"Gavin deserves a chance in life," said Mary Long, who began a crusade to improve Gavin's and his mother Toni's life after seeing them at the Embarcadero BART Station. "He wasn't getting one being used as a panhandler tool by his chronically homeless mom."

City officials say the family was repeatedly offered beds, services and child care. But their offers, they say, were rebuffed, and people like Long kept seeing Gavin panhandling.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/0...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:47 AM
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1. I wonder when the last time was that Gavin's parents saw a doctor.
It's must easier to make them the villians. Good job, San Francisco!
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:57 AM
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2. They're not necessarily villians
but they're also not capable of caring for him if they're refusing help.

Sad situation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:10 AM
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3. At this point, we don't know what they're refusing.
People like that don't have press agents. :(
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:15 AM
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4. If it is a hard decision... find another line of work
Children should never be victimized because their parents are fucking morons. If this has been going on for months it needs to be MUCH easier for the state to intervene on behalf of children.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:27 AM
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8. agreed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:19 AM
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5. Put him in a foster home....
And spay and neuter the so-called "parents."
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TaffyMoon Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:08 AM
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10. Yeah, bring back eugenics!
Really, really moronic.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 12:45 PM
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11. They made choice.
Not us. They are ones who failed.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:20 AM
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6. Other folks offered to get them off the streets, the parents refused
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:25 AM
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7. not to be too cynical...
but this seems the most likely scenario...

http://flimmr.passagen.se/movie/beavis_and_butthead_bea...

To get to the point, skip to about 3/4 of the way through.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:25 AM
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9. Just as an aside...
Took a weekend trip while on leave to San Francisco and while the day was enjoyable a 3 block walk in search of food at night was definitely the low point of the trip. Literally every 30 feet another person begging for cash and God help you if you stop for a bus or tram.

It really put us off the whole city and it will be a while before we go back.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:20 PM
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12. Ca. law requires Mental Health workers/Social workers to intervene
in any situation where they even think a child may come to harm.
Most other states require reporting in cases where harm has happened or is occurring, but Ca. requires
"foreseeing the possibility" of a problem.
Thus once the situation had been reported in the paper, action was mandated by law.

I lived and worked in SF for 5 years. I could write a dozen books about the homeless, the begging,
the urine and feces on the streets, sidewalks, gutters, the complete openness of drug use, prostitution, across the street from schools, and the incredible revolving door of services which have no oversight or audits at any level.
Unfortunately, the foster home system is no better or worse than in any other state.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:28 PM
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13. Several years ago in Denver,
a woman discovered that her new babysitter was using her children to panhandle, someone who knew the family asked the mother why her children were near an exit ramp with a woman and other children(kids were little and couldn't tell mom themselves). Turned out the babysitter spent a few hours a day with her own kids (and those she was being paid to care for) panhandling.

Children don't exist as a devise to make profits for adults.
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