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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:22 PM
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Here's me being honest: Obama's NAACP speech tonight kinda irritated me
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 09:30 PM by cboy4
if only slightly.

I'm not trying to cause a scene, but the reason I did grumble at times is I'm immensely frustrated.

Hey ... I can't even begin to express how excited I am for African Americans and other people of color that they were able to live through and experience the joy of watching the very first black POTUS, deliver an address at of the 100th annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in New York!

Such a moment. My gosh

The problem I have will probably get me in lot of trouble (not that I'm not used to that), but it's the truth .. and it's in my heart as another minority...

Black Americans reportedly make up roughly 13 percent of our population.

Gay Americans are said to make up roughly 10 percent of our population.

I didn't expect Obama to talk about Don't Ask Don't Tell or the Defense of Marriage Act tonight -- even though there are most certainly black people who are gay.

However, yet another well-delivered Obama speech once again got me thinking!

Am I, and my people, going to have to wait for a gay president to help us?

I don't think -- and I still don't think another person necessarily has to walk a mile in our shoes to understand the heartache and discrimination and danger we face every day.

However, the sooner President Obama moves to help end the ban on gay people serving in the military .. and the sooner he gets involved in helping to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act ..the sooner all of this ends and gay people are mostly free.

Outstanding, wonderful, historic .. you name it .. that President Obama addresses the NAACP at its 100th annual convention. Who would have dreamed?

He talked about the racial gaps and discrimination which still exists within the black community.

Gay people completely understand the hurt, sir. Now it's time for you to help do something about it Mr. President, instead of hosting luncheons at the White House. You know?

We are tired.

We are so very tired. Please? The time is now.

===========

on edit: my writing sucked the first time!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:24 PM
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1. Obama: Discrimination Cannot Stand... Color, Gender, Religion or Who You Love
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:38 PM
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10. Well first if all, "color" or "gener" or "religion"does not unclude
sexual orientation.

And I already heard the youtube clip that you posted.

Maybe you can tell me how what he said gets the ball rolling toward the goals I mentioned in my OP.

Politicians say anything to generate applause babylonsister.

What did he say about my point and how soon can I expect him to get busy on this.

I'm being serious.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:47 PM
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15. "Who you love" does.
I know gay people aren't happy. I'm not happy for you. But I honestly believe in my heart that this is going to happen and you'll get the rights you deserve.

I can't be any plainer than that, nor can I force anyone's hand. But I still think this prez has your best interests at heart, unlike the last.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:55 PM
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20. While you are mostly right
"We" cannot afford to be patient and wait until the expedient time for someone to get around to our aspirations at a time when it is convenient for the people who are not affected. I hope you understand, if we wait, we will end up waiting for ever, They, all need a burr in their saddle, and that includes our very well meaning president.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:59 PM
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22. Hey, I'm all for "burrs in the saddle". When I can help, I do and will.
I realize the importance, and want to see equal rights as history, because everyone will have them.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:17 PM
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30. Well the 'health care reform' bill is a discriminatory law
so you could stop posting wee snarks at those who point out the flaws. Discriminatory law.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:38 PM
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34. I've seen your complaints. I don't work for this admin, and I don't
know enough about this health care reform plan to know if you're wrong or right. I don't want to argue. And I hope you and your family get what you deserve asap.

As for snarks, me defending whatever I feel needs defending shouldn't be considered snark, and I reserve the right to change my opinion when I'm proved wrong.

I get plenty of snark at me, and I deal.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:25 PM
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:42 PM
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12. Well, that's the way it goes
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 09:43 PM by mitchtv
None are free until all are free. If that bores you there, are other sites.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:48 PM
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16. Take a nap.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:25 PM
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3. So are we.
And I don't mean it in a mean way, but please don't use this one for your soapbox. He'll give another speech soon and you can rain on somebody else's parade.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:27 PM
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4. First people have to understand that a lot more than 10% are gay.
There is no fixed line. If you add the people that are bisexual you have a lot more than 10%.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:52 PM
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86. Yea, I was trying to keep it near the Kinsey 10 percent figure in order
to avoid triggering all of the homophobes from coming out of the woodwork and arguing it's a choice, etc.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:31 PM
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5. And your point is?
I'm not trying to be offensive, but to be fair African-Americans have had the hardest journey of any group of people in this country and it's not comparable to any other struggle. It's taken years to get this far, it takes every group years to get far and there is still work to do here. It makes no sense to try and pit one group against another.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:42 PM
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13. LOL. Yes, well I'm not criticizing African Americans....I'm criticizing the
President of the United States.

So please don't accuse me of that.
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:32 PM
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6. Oh good grief! N/T
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:45 PM
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14. don't worry the grief will continue
get used to it
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:51 PM
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46. A lot of hate speech in this thread, isn't there Mitch?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:54 PM
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47. and more to come
there was an old tv show called "you asked for it"
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:34 PM
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7. When you consider people who aren't white protestant males in this country...
that's a significant group there who feels he's speaking to them: women, those of mixed race, Muslims, Jews, bi-sexuals, the poor, atheists, or anyone who feels they have been discriminated against because of race, gender or religions/non-religious affiliation. If you put all the minority groups together, they make up a majority.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:00 PM
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23. How about addressing my point, instead of rambling?
I made a specific point.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:34 PM
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8. interesting
I think you make some fair points. I liked the speech tonight, but I completely understand where you come from on this one...how long are Gay Americans going to have to wait for basic equal rights ? Is it ever going to be a "politically convenient" time? I have hope that it will be a lot sooner rather than later, but it won't be soon enough.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:01 PM
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24. Thanks
:)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:37 PM
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9. Good points. k+r, n/t
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:39 PM
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11. I get where you are coming from..
oh, and, btw.. we're tired too.. and women make up, what, 51% of the population!
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:54 PM
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18. Yes, watching the SCOTUS hearings remind me it's not just about race it's
also because she's a woman. And men are still trying to legislate control over our bodies. So yeah, it's not over for women either.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:52 PM
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17. Even though you have me on ignore, I'll go ahead and say my peace.
You take one situation and conflate it to another. I suppose I should be used to it after all your missives in another forum. I honestly cannot take anything you say at face value in regards to the African American community. Has your race ever been a slave in this country? Has your race ever been denied the right to vote in this country?

Move along cboy4.


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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:54 PM
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19. Well said! N/T
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:58 PM
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21. Gold medal winner!!!!
in the Opression Olympics
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:07 PM
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59. + 1
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:51 PM
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84. If this were not anonymous behind-the-screen com, you would never dare pull that "Oppression"
If this were not anonymous behind-the-screen com, you'all would never dare pull that "Oppression Olympics" shit to someone's face, "of color" or otherwise.


:evilfrown:


Might get tolt what time is it.


Aside from the fact that there is a WHOLE SPECTRUM of folks of color or not, gay or not, either/and/or, of diversity, that meme really needs to get examined and retired ASAP by those who are not clueless.

:hi:
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:04 PM
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25. my feeling is...
that he will wait for a second term to take really decisive and public action, so as not to give the 'cultural conservatives' a platform to sink other big initiatives like health care. He has completely stayed away from the gun issue too which tends to be a big divider. I know that may be too much realpolitik for people who supported him so wholeheartedly. I think he has to do SOMETHING sooner than that, at least get at this don't ask don't tell fiasco which I think most of the public no longer supports although some military brass are very much in support, largely because our military has a surprisingly large and committed contingent of Christian conservatives in leadership positions. Apparently they have made a conscious campaign to exert their influence in the military, to further their influence in American policy in general and possibly to fulfill certain eschatological goals. Good article in The New Yorker about this recently.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:15 PM
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28. Why? The latest figures indicate 75 percent of United States citizens are
in favor of allowing gay and lesbian people to openly serve in the armed forces in, among other crucial positions, as linguists who can translate Arabic and Farsi.

Forget, for a second, Martin Luther King Junior's mantra, "a right delayed is a right denied."

You don't think we need people this very second who speak those critical languages?
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:12 PM
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64. yes, I think we do
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 11:15 PM by DeepBlueC
And I have read that he could quietly order the Army to stop enforcing don't ask. I hope he does that. The resistance is not from the public; it is from homophobic Christian Conservative Army leadership. Because of them it is unlikely that he can do anything quietly.

Don't challenge me about the 'rightness' of it all. I'm a woman. I think I understand about justice delayed.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:35 PM
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80. Who cares what the "homophobic Christian Conservative Army Leadership"
thinks DeepBlueC?

Did you know that when the President of the United States tells them to jump, their only choice of answers is: "Yes, sir. How high?"

Obama is the Commander in Chief.

What he says goes when it comes to the military. If he issues an order, such as, we will no longer be singling out gay people, guess what!!??

Their response will have to be: 'YES SIR MISTER PRESIDENT."

Think about that DeepBlueC, before you start arguing .. or at least insinuating, that Obama's hands are tied by the fundy military leadership. They are most certainly not.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:38 AM
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120. the Army does have some say in how the Army works
or the Army doesn't work, as a practical matter. And who the Army leadership is matters and over the last eight years the fundies have entrenched themselves. Bill Clinton didn't have don't ask don't tell in mind when he looked to make a place for gays in the military. I'm a veteran of many long and wearying and discouraging and infuriating equal rights campaigns that are not over yet and nothing is as uncomplicated or easy as it would appear to be and what can be acknowledged in argument as simple justice turns out to be anything but simple to make happen.

You're right, you're right, you're right, I'm saying, and that doesn't matter as much as you might think. I wish it were not so.

:shrug:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:03 AM
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137. Yea, the military has some say regarding a number of topics. However, it's
nothing more than input as you know.

And this is for people unfamiliar with the military.....not you:

The President of the United States makes the call, and everyone has to listen and obey. Period.

Can the a general say, "Mr. President, I don't think we should come in from the north because that's how the enemy expects our troops to arrive..."

Or course, but it's only a suggestion.

And, if the same general says he/she thinks allowing gay people to join the military will harm morale -- he/she is more than welcome to say so .. but if the CIC, after he/she stops rolling around on the ground in laughter says, "fuck that, we're letting them in...", guess who wins that argument?!!

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:09 PM
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26. By the way, the
of people have a long way to go in their journey toward embracing equal right for gay people, such as being allowed to work as an Arabic linguist.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:12 PM
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27. Well said. Equal protection should apply to everyone.
Marriage rights are civil rights.

:dem:

-Laelth
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:17 PM
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29. K&R
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:27 PM
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31. The problem is the heterosexual community
and the bigotry they hold so tight. They are the problem.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:50 PM
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Bullshit. Jesus Christ is that the best you can come up with?
The entire heterosexual community is not bigoted against gays. According to some polls, about 65 percent of Americans believe that gay couples should be able to have some sort of recognized status in government.

Of course, that doesn't mean that we are all 100% in for gay marriage. But your statement is just flat out stupid.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:32 PM
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32. I would like to see the Republican
candidate that would fulfill your desire.

When you find one please let me know.....kthxbai
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. Oh I see. Democrats get a free pass because the Republican candidate woud
be worse?

I can't think of a more embarrassing argument "Hutzpa."

You do have a perfect screen name. I'll give you that.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:10 PM
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62. cboy4
sorry to come across as condescending but you're not trying to be fair to the
President, he actually reffered to the GBLT community saying they are part of
this generations fight to break down the barriers, they are working on writing
policies that will help further the argument on gay rights, what else can he do(?)
he was giving a speech at a convention celebrating an organisations' 100 years
of fighting equality and you want him to give a policy speech there, c'mon,
lets be fair...huh!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:59 PM
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91. No, you didn't come across as condescending. You WERE condescending.
And if you would read my OP, instead of the first couple of words before pulling out and referring to your talking points ... you would have understood that my criticism continues to be actions speak louder than words.

And if you would have read my OP, you would have learned I praised the historic nature of the speech, and the excitement of the moment.

So yea, lets be fair.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #91
122. I can live with that
I guess I asked for it, having read most of your posts and threads I can accept that,
no malice.

But I did read this post...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #91
126. Bullshit. Authoritarian bullshit.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. so... stfu?
get real and get used to us
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:14 PM
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67. You need to turn it down a notch
CHILL!!!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:33 PM
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33. Glad to see no one plays the race card when talking about GBLT issues
at least that what I keep hearing on DU.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:39 PM
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35. Heh indeedy.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:45 PM
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39. +1
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. Yup I admit it. My frustration over a lack of human rights is nothing
more than racism.

Too bad the point sailed, just like always, right over that skull of yours.

Ha Uzybone? When one'ss mind goes blank, charge playing the race card!11!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:49 PM
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44. you are the one that played the card
I just called you on it.

It would be nice for the first President of color to address the NAACP without getting misguided potshots.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Then you should post at Obamaisperfect.com
This is a a discussion board.

Not a kiss Obama's ass board.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
65. "If" a person of color did this...
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 11:21 PM by bliss_eternal
...i wonder how some would feel about that?

If a person of color, perhaps created a thread to express their disappointment with a GLAAD celebration event? Where no one bothered to *address* the issues faced daily by people of color in this country? including that experienced w/in the glbt community by people of color?

Or would that be perhaps, considered inappropriate piggybacking? Poor taste? Or um....I don't know, being all mean to caucasian glbt's? :shrug:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #65
73. It would be a dickish thing to do
but the point is not to play these comparison games, on any side. It is not helpful.


BTW the President did address all kinds of discrimination including GBLT discrimination in his speech.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:28 PM
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77. Yes, it is divisive.
...I totally agree. I apologize for the misunderstanding, as I'm not attempting to compare. Merely suggesting that those that want to be treated w/respect may try offering some (and consider how they may feel if the situation was reversed).

Thank you for sharing details of the speech, as I didn't see it. It's nice to know that the President did address these issues.
:hi:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. No problem. Indeed, putting the shoe on the other foot gives much better perspective.
:)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Well...
...I thought your comments were pretty cool, too. :hi: :hug: Thanks!

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #77
101. Didn't even see or hear the speech and accusing people (me) of being a
racist.

Classy.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #101
113. Pardon me, cboy....
...need I remind you, I compiled "the best of" thread. You should know, I've been kind where you are regarded and not linked every negative thread you've created on this board that mentions race, and I assure you some *did not* show you in a favorable light.

So if I were you, I'd go easy on what you are accusing me of.

Last I checked, you are in no position to define what is or is not racist for me. As one who is not ethnic, maybe you should pay attention to what others have tried to say to you here, instead of telling us what is or is not "racist."

respectfully attempted,
bliss
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #113
125. Oh dear .. there are people on a list (GASP) who *did not* show me in a
favorable light.

I have an idea bliss. How about you climb down from your high horse?

Now I realize it makes you furious that I'm technically a minority, even though I'm white. But perhaps you should check your handbook. I'm pretty sure you'll discover you don't hold a patent on minority status.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #125
128. Your BS can no longer hold any crediblity. It's just baiting, pure and simple.
:freak:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #125
134. feel better?
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:58 AM by bliss_eternal
having said that to me?

maybe someday you can buy a clue regarding your inherent white priviledge, and stop attempting to define discrimination for people of color...as i've never attempted to define gay discrimination for you (and would not).

as i've told people (on du and elsewhere) regarding your rights--when someone from a group you don't belong to, says something is offensive--your job is to listen. nothing more or less. NOT dismiss, insult, dictate, condescend or be rude. try it sometime.

if you can't do that, you have no business creating topics about other groups of people.

your comments, your inability to take responsibility for what you've done here, is the exact reason "why" i didn't "address you directly"...thanks ever so, for proving my point.

take care, cboy.

i sincerely wish you well.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #65
85. Bliss, you know that person would be accused of playing... what's it called??
Oh yes, Oppression Olympics.

Apparently, Obama is not allowed to stand before members of one of the oldest civil rights organizations in the country and speak about issues that directly affect their membership. And even when he actually DOES speak openly about the evils of gay discrimination, it's not enough.

It's no different than if he went before GLAAD and started speaking about the evils of the Holocaust. Or went to an event at the American Indian Museum at the Smithsonian and spoke about the horrors of Japanese internment.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #85
105. I can't believe what I'm reading? It sounds like a number of DUers are playing
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 AM by cboy4
quarters or doing beer bongs before they weigh in.

Embarrassing.


on edit...typo
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #105
111. Made more sense pre-edit. And it didn't make a damn bit of sense then.
:)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #105
117. If anyone should be embarassed....
...it's you. I assure you, I'm sober and tired of seeing posts like this from you...it's offensive because it's completely insensitive.

I always told people on this board to allow you (and other glbt's) to define what is offensive for yourselves. When do I get the same right? Or respect? Or do I (and others that look like me) get any of that because we share an ethnic background with Obama?

Maybe you'll get the respect and rights you desire, when you are willing to offer them to others in kind.



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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #117
129. He's walked out on the gangplank and hasn't turned around to see his meanness is on its own.
:evilfrown:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #105
123. Dig cboy4! Dig and keep on digging!!!!!!!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #85
106. It would just be nice...
...if some were capable of the great empathy, compassion and respect they seem to expect of others.

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #106
109. Please see post #70. Prime example of the kind of self-centered foolishness we're dealing with
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #106
115. Sorry, but that's earned in kind.
You're not going to see me showing much compassion and respect toward Dick Cheney any time soon.

I can tell you that.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #115
118. I am not Dick Cheney.
...and I have no idea why he is relevant here. *I* have shown you respect on this board. Yet you disrespect me and others that look like me over, and over, and over again.

I see people telling you in threads, "...stop, this hurts my feelings" and you rail on.
Then you wonder why so few show *you* respect on DU?

Think about that.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #118
124. He's just glad you can still see him at all
:thumbsdown:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #65
97. Nice passive aggression
You're right, I'm just a racist.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #97
110. Sorry about that, cboy...
...but somehow I doubt you would have responded differently (imo) whether I spoke directly to you, or to someone else. I chose to speak to someone that seemed like minded, that I could have a conversation with.

You made a choice to create a thread, utilizing race. In my opinion, that is race baiting. If I'd never seen this sort of thread created by you in the past, perhaps I'd be less inclined to such comments. But given your posting history on this issue....make of that what you will.

respectfully submitted,
bliss.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #110
127. bliss, honestly I didn't take the OP that way.
I think it's just emotionally draining to be pulled in both directions, to feel joy over what's been accomplished, and simultaneously to feel like your rights are being denied by the person standing there giving a speech about civil rights.

I respect your opinion and am listening to you, but also I can't fault anyone who is currently having rights denied for having some level of bitterness over the whole situation, and it's a very difficult thing for me to look at them and tell them they aren't being bitter at an acceptable time or in an acceptable way.


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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #127
130. that's your right...
...but how do you feel when people enter discussions when you've shared your concerns and tell you, "...i don't see it that way?"

given my prior conversations w/you, i believe you called it dismissive and minimizing. kindly don't do the same to me, noamnety.

best,
bliss
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #127
132. Sure it is, when it's presented in the petty way this OP was.
And the OP continued in the thread, with any reasonable voice like yours.

It seems a game. Not to be taken seriously by him or others.

If it were, there would be some attempt to meet halfway with the lucid voices in this thread. It's all arrogant and insulting bullshit. Flamebaiting and racebaiting.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #110
131. It is race baiting. No "opinion" about it.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:40 PM
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36. Barack Obama didn't help the NAACP ... they've been helping themselves for 100 years
That was the occasion for this speech: the NAACP was celebrating its 100th year of work ... It was not Barack Obama giving them a pony.

I'm referring to your statement: "Am I, and my people, going to have to wait for a gay president to help us? "

As a strong advocate of gay rights (possibly for more years than you've been alive), I have to admonish you for waiting for someone to deliver help to you. All civil rights and liberation struggles have had to work for decades and decades and decades for every modicum of progress they've obtained. And their efforts continue. This will be true as well for the gay rights movement. Remember that the movement for marriage equality really only started less than a decade ago. (I know: I worked in Massachusetts to garner support in the Commonwealth's senate and house for the constitutional convention; I was also around during the "Act Up" years, when the idea of gay marriage would have been both laughable and repugnant to activists.) Remember that the women's movement still has not achieved full pay equity, and the ERA has never passed.

I'm not dissing the goals of marriage equality and the repeal of DADT. I fully support those goals. But if you think they should be handed to you by someone, you've missed the point. All things considered, amazing progress has been made on the front of gay rights in this country in recent years. My friends and family members have gotten married; my nephew and his partner adopted a beautiful baby this year; and the public has, all in all, reacted very positively. That Obama hasn't achieved your goals in the first 5 months of his presidency, during a time the economy is on the brink and health care for all (gay and straight, black and white) MUST be passed, should give you pause. As your president said the other week, you will be pleased before the end of his term. In the meantime, keep working (and we all will work with you), and don't be jealous of other groups who have struggled, organized, and put themselves in the way of dogs and fire hoses for 100 years to achieve part of their goals.

PS: Obama did mention gay rights in his NAACP speech tonight, and people there cheered.



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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:47 PM
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42. excellent, but may fall on some deaf ears
your words are true.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:50 PM
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45. Small amendment: people there, and everywhere cheered.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:55 PM
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87. "don't be jealous of other groups who have struggled, organized
and put themselves in the way of dogs and fire hoses for 100 years to achieve part of their goals."

You just brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:58 PM
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90. Spot on and beautiful. Thanks for selecting that.
:pals:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #90
99. I do try. Even amongst OP's like this there are jewels to be found.
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:07 AM by Number23
:)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
89. Well let's see. The Best Post of Thread has one Excellent, several Deleted and an Ignored...........
Thank you so much for your LUCID post. And for bringing up something that is NEVER mentioned:

"I was also around during the "Act Up" years, when the idea of gay marriage would have been both laughable and repugnant to activists.)"

The total amnesia about that is a testament to the power of Reaganism and The Return of the White Wedding!!! (That won't make sense to some, but there it is.)

And there is a huge disconnect b/w gender issues movements now, which if you want to comment more on.............

"Remember that the women's movement still has not achieved full pay equity, and the ERA has never passed."

The relationship is not even a CONCEPT now.

What a great post. I hope it opens some eyes and hearts. Thank you.

:yourock:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
92. the modern movement for marriage equality
actually started in Hawaii in 1993 when the case of Baehr v Lewin made its way to the Hawaii Supreme Court and the Justices ruled that the case had merit under gender discrimination (the state's ERA) and remanded it back to the lower court. Their ruling was a shock at the time, as it was worded so that the lower court would have to show a compelling state interest be successful, a fairly strict standard. This led to a series of local and national political and legislative events which culminated in the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

You actually can trace some of the ideas which gave birth to marriage equality back to the Mattachine society, which was founded in 1950 in Los Angeles.

It's not a great idea to lecture gay people on their own history and/or activism, when many of us have been involved it firsthand.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. It's not necessary to add your threat at the end, after contributing to the common history.
Perhaps you're unaware of the reference to when the notion of marriage WOULD HAVE been scoffed by gay activists.

It's part of the history, too.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #94
103. get out of my face
You are completely disingenuous.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #103
107. Or else what, exactly?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #103
108. All you've got in YOUR "Oppression Olympics" is a personal attack and refusal to find common ground?
:puke:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #108
135. I didn't use that phrase nor did I discuss it
so your comment is wholly misdirected. And if you would ever demonstrate that you care about GLBT people of color, and not just flaming other people's posts, then perhaps I would take what you write more seriously.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #135
136. bullshit
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #136
138. you're right
I probably woudn't take you seriously, even then.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #138
139. you EXEMPLIFIED IT
your word games and deleted posts nonwithstanding.


You were off to a fine and lucid start and then had to stick the hooks in and make it about Us vs. Them, rather than solidarity.

Don't fuck with me, R. :thumbsdown: and don't deny the DU community the intelligent and heartfelt contributions you probably are capable of.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
37. I watched the clip earlier today. About that part that is supposed to make us gay people feel good -
as he finished speaking I said out loud to my tv

"words, just words".

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
53. If Obama was damned for what he said, he'd be damned for what he didn't say.
in otherwords, he's damned.

That's understood.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. I have no idea what your point is.
words, just words
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
79. like the Bill of Rights
the fight for them is still going on. I often wonder what happened to te right of free assembly. There is more of it in former SSRs than here.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:48 PM
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43. Some points....
I appreciate your pain. I really do, though you surely won't believe it.


and secondly.... Obama *will* do right by the LGBT community. Before this term is up.


But goddammit the political reality is this ... 6 months is the blink of a freaking eye... and Health Care and the Economy and the wars and so many other things *MUST* be done now, while his political capital is high.

Bill Clinton burned off what little political capital he had by addressing LGBT issues during his first few months, and it killed his agenda for two years and helped lead to the slaughter of 1994 in congressional races. In many ways, it crippled his Presidency.

Obama has learned from that history. Political capital is not static...it begins to wane almost immediately upon taking office and it MUST be spent during the first year or it is gone. The blunt reality is this, and you're going to take it in some twisted "don't tell me to go to the back of the line!" way but so be it...

Obama has to tackle REALLY big issues this first year with his political capital. Issues that affect 100% of Americans, not just 6 to 10%. Health Care and the Economy *MUST* come first. Taking on DOMA and DADT *NOW*, during the first few months, would expend the capital that he desperately NEEDS to get Health Care done.

DADT will be taken care of... and so will DOMA.... when the Health Care and other domestic priorities are finished. I'm 99% convinced of that.


If DADT is still in place when the 2012 elections come around, I'll be right with you in complaining.


But don't shit on every issue that Obama addresses just because it is not YOUR issue.

LGBT is your #1 issue... I respect and understand that. But it not even close to the #1 issue for America right now. We're losing our jobs. We're getting sick with inadequate health care to help us. This isn't meant to sound as cold as I'm sure it is going to come off to you, but those things are just far more important to far more Americans right now than DADT... which affects 1/10 of LGBTs, who are 1/10th of the American people.


Yes... it is a CRIME that Gays can't marry in this country. It is a CRIME that they cannot serve their country without hiding who they are.

But there are dozens of other wrongs in this country right now that are ALSO crimes.... and they are affecting millions more people than DADT and DOMA are.


Obama still stands at 56%+ approval. He has the capital to get Health Care done now, or to take on LGBT issues right now. He already expended tons of capital getting the stimulus passed to avoid a freaking Depression. He has to take care of Health Care now, and all else - except national security - must wait.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. Thank you for the reminder
that gays should feel forever feel guilty because they almost single-handedly cost us the congressional elections in 1994 and crippled the Clinton presidency by getting all uppity and wanting rights when there were more important issues at hand (as there always will be). :eyes:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. It's just that Clinton had no political capital left when it came to doing Health Care Reform...
...and it died.... and when it died, it put Democrats in the congressional wilderness for 12 years.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. Yes, yes, we all don't have health care because of the gays.
got it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. Please... drop the strawmen... that's not what I said and you know it

Clinton burned what little capital he had on DADT and on his omnibus budget (which passed by just one vote).

When it came time to Health Care, he was already down in the low 40s in approval and it wasn't going to happen.



Gays aren't the reason it didn't happen... Clinton's lack of enough political capital, and his prioritizing Health Care as somewhere OTHER than #1, is what killed Health Care


If Clinton would've made Health Care priority #1, then it would've happened.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #71
93. Maybe you can find a better way to express your empathy
than drawing a bunch of lines showing how gays were responsible for us not getting health care, is all I'm saying. You can backtrack all you like now, but that IS what you were doing.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. Okay. So let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt....Even though Obama
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 11:07 PM by cboy4
can halt the expulsions from the military (not talking executive order, but halting them) until congress votes to change the law .. give me a human rights time table.

Since my human rights are out of my hands and in your hands, when can I expect some good news?

Do you have a window? August 2011? February 2013?


on edit...my typing sucks
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #56
63. I think sooner than that...

I think that after Health Care passes, DADT goes away shortly thereafter.

DOMA will take longer.... and might end up being a moot point anyway, since 6 or 7 states have already legalized same-sex marriage and more dominoes seem ready to fall.


Obviously, it is not in *MY* hands..... it's my gut feeling that Obama has your back. I understand your cynicism, which you have every right to have based on how you've been shit on by politicians for years.


But I'm telling you.... Obama will do right by you. I'd bet a month's paycheck on it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:58 PM
Response to Original message
50. No Shit! I am so surprised.....
Not!

But I will say that Black folks didn't wait for a Black President to help them....
they helped themselves through courts, perseverance, patience, organization, marches,
and the passage of time.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #50
76. I appreciate your passive-aggressive attack, however to insinuate that
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 11:27 PM by cboy4
gay people are waiting for anyone, per se, to help them is ridiculous.

You'd think however, that someone who grew up with racism, and continues to be subjected to racism despite his job title, would be a little more sensitive when it comes to the urgency of all human beings enjoying equal human rights.

Gay people aren't asking for Obama to do everything. But his limited help is required. No question about it.

And BTW, why shouldn't gay people approach Obama for help? It's true that there were no minorities in the White House to help black people back in the day, but you don't think they would have been pounding on the door(s)?

Just because none of this affects you, and just because you don't care about any of this, doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed.

Know what I'm sayin


typo
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #76
121. Then why did you?
"however to insinuate that gay people are waiting for anyone, per se, to help them is ridiculous."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #76
133. I was just going per your op....
when you said...."Am I, and my people, going to have to wait for a gay president to help us?"

That wasn't me who wrote that.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:07 PM
Response to Original message
57. You feel left out? Try being homeless....that's definitely untouchable country.
When do you hear homelessness being mentioned... at least in any kind of supportive way?

Yup.

NEVER.

First they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi.

When do we homeless people get out of stage one?

Would you like to join forces to get more visibility for both?

Especially considering that there are homeless gay people, especially youth?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. What about the Gypsies?
No one ever stands up for Gypsies - not even Gypsies.

Roma's Unite Now!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:21 PM
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72. Thank you so very much for belittling the suffering and deaths of homeless people.
You're all heart.

Such a "progressive"

:puke:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:33 PM
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78. If you want to talk about this issue -
you can start another thread. You are trying to re-direct this one to your area of interest. I tried to use a little humor to make that point but I gather it didn't work.
:hi:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:18 PM
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70. I would love to join forces to be more visable, even though
homeless people can serve in the military, homeless people can get married, homeless cannot be fired from a job based on their sexual orientation, etc., etc.

I'm not in the least trying to minimize what is a devastating situation being out of the streets.

But...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:24 PM
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75. Oh, gawd... where to start, Self-pity much? When have you even tried to GET a job while homeless?
What the fuck is this about, that you can't even see the suffering of others, but you INSIST THAT PEOPLE HONOR YOUR SUFFERING?

I invite you to rejoin the human race. Whether you like to admit it or not, we're all in this together.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:47 PM
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:06 AM
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104. LOL and now you're accusing him of being "despicable"?!! This is a joke, right? Good one!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:28 AM
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116. cboy4
you've just bait and switch on us..... :rofl:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:05 AM
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102. "I invite you to rejoin the human race. Whether you like to admit it or not, we're all in this"
"I invite you to rejoin the human race. Whether you like to admit it or not, we're all in this together."

Well put.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:03 AM
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100. LOL
:rofl: :rofl: oh get real
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:10 PM
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61. If it irritated you, you could have switched TV channels
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:23 PM
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74. That sounds like this - American love it or leave it.
Guess you must have been for the Vietnam War because you are using the same right wing reasoning.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 AM
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95. Actually you are.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:22 AM
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114. uhhhhh brilliant
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #74
96. delete
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 AM by Solomon
dupe
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:55 PM
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88. He is a church guy. I think that is your answer. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 AM
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98. K&invisibleR
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:35 AM
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119. Here's me being honest: this kinda flamebait and kinda racebaiting kinda irritates me
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:36 AM by omega minimo
and anyone else with any multicultural sensitivity and half a brain.

There are some great and peaceful replies to this unfortunate and misguided racebaiting here, which have been met only with condescension and insults.

It's truly pathetic.

As pointed out to one noxious soul, if this wasn't dismbodied, anonymous speech, that whole Oppression Olympics crap would be gone right quick. Slimy posters are not gonna actually get in someone's face and pull that shit.

Esp. when there are so many cross mixtures of diversity that make this faux conflict between gays and people of color TOTALLY absurd.

So why does this bullshit and baiting have so much legs and credibility on DU? I dunno.

Another question is why the lucid and peaceful comments are not met with some sense of camaraderie, but with the arrogance and belligerence that women's issues meet when those non-supporters get their jock straps in a twist.

Ultimately, the success of subgroups in achieving equality will be due to joining together, just as it has always been. Someone here who calmly pointed that out was met with obnoxious dismissal:

7.When you consider people who aren't white protestant males in this country...
that's a significant group there who feels he's speaking to them: women, those of mixed race, Muslims, Jews, bi-sexuals, the poor, atheists, or anyone who feels they have been discriminated against because of race, gender or religions/non-religious affiliation. If you put all the minority groups together, they make up a majority.

What does the OP answer to "If you put all the minority groups together, they make up a majority"?

cboy4 (1000+ posts)
Thu Jul-16-09 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
23.How about addressing my point, instead of rambling?

I made a specific point.

:wtf: :wow:

Aside from completely ignoring the relevant comment to our common concerns, THAT is an exact expression of the AUTHORITARIAN dickheadism that has us ALL under sway. The attitude of "It's all about ME, the Great and Terrible OZ. SILENCE!!!!! Only what I SAY is of any importance!!!!!!!11"


Then another peaceful poster makes a common point, absolutely reasonable:

Hutzpa (1000+ posts)
Thu Jul-16-09 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #38
62.cboy4

sorry to come across as condescending but you're not trying to be fair to the President, he actually reffered to the GBLT community saying they are part of this generations fight to break down the barriers, they are working on writing policies that will help further the argument on gay rights, what else can he do(?) he was giving a speech at a convention celebrating an organisations' 100 years of fighting equality and you want him to give a policy speech there, c'mon, lets be fair...huh!

IS THEN MET WITH THIS:

cboy4 (1000+ posts)
Thu Jul-16-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #62
91.No, you didn't come across as condescending. You WERE condescending.

And if you would read my OP, instead of the first couple of words before pulling out and referring to your talking points ... you would have understood that my criticism continues to be actions speak louder than words.

And if you would have read my OP, you would have learned I praised the historic nature of the speech, and the excitement of the moment.

So yea, lets be fair.


cboy4 (1000+ posts)
Thu Jul-16-09 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
49.Then you should post at Obamaisperfect.com

This is a a discussion board.

Not a kiss Obama's ass board.


THIS IS NOT A KISS CBOY4'S ASS BOARD, EITHER. :evilfrown: At this point, your posts cannot be taken seriously, they are so distanced from actual progressive values and cooperation.


madinmaryland (1000+ posts)
Thu Jul-16-09 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
17. Even though you have me on ignore, I'll go ahead and say my peace.

You take one situation and conflate it to another. I suppose I should be used to it after all your missives in another forum. I honestly cannot take anything you say at face value in regards to the African American community. Has your race ever been a slave in this country? Has your race ever been denied the right to vote in this country?

Move along cboy4.


Move along DU. Get with the 21st Century. Don't put up with any more race baiting and false divisions b/w common cause and the voice of reason, no matter where it emanates from.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:07 AM
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140. What he or she said.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:09 AM
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141. Sorry. Civility got lost along the way. We're locking.
Thanks all.
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