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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:02 AM
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Boiling the Frog - Paul Krugman (NYT)
Boiling the Frog
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 12, 2009

<snip>

Is America on its way to becoming a boiled frog?

I’m referring, of course, to the proverbial frog that, placed in a pot of cold water that is gradually heated, never realizes the danger it’s in and is boiled alive. Real frogs will, in fact, jump out of the pot — but never mind. The hypothetical boiled frog is a useful metaphor for a very real problem: the difficulty of responding to disasters that creep up on you a bit at a time.

And creeping disasters are what we mostly face these days.

I started thinking about boiled frogs recently as I watched the depressing state of debate over both economic and environmental policy. These are both areas in which there is a substantial lag before policy actions have their full effect — a year or more in the case of the economy, decades in the case of the planet — yet in which it’s very hard to get people to do what it takes to head off a catastrophe foretold.

And right now, both the economic and the environmental frogs are sitting still while the water gets hotter.

Start with economics: last winter the economy was in acute crisis, with a replay of the Great Depression seeming all too possible. And there was a fairly strong policy response in the form of the Obama stimulus plan, even if that plan wasn’t as strong as some of us thought it should have been.

At this point, however, the acute crisis has given way to a much more insidious threat. Most economic forecasters now expect gross domestic product to start growing soon, if it hasn’t already. But all the signs point to a “jobless recovery”: on average, forecasters surveyed by The Wall Street Journal believe that the unemployment rate will keep rising into next year, and that it will be as high at the end of 2010 as it is now.

Now, it’s bad enough to be jobless for a few weeks; it’s much worse being unemployed for months or years. Yet that’s exactly what will happen to millions of Americans if the average forecast is right — which means that many of the unemployed will lose their savings, their homes and more.

To head off this outcome — and remember, this isn’t what economic Cassandras are saying; it’s the forecasting consensus — we’d need to get another round of fiscal stimulus under way very soon. But neither Congress nor, alas, the Obama administration is showing any inclination to act. Now that the free fall is over, all sense of urgency seems to have vanished.

This will probably change once the reality of the jobless recovery becomes all too apparent. But by then it will be too late to avoid a slow-motion human and social disaster.

Still, the boiled-frog problem on the economy is nothing compared with the problem of getting action on climate change...

<snip>

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1

:shrug:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:05 AM
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1. The survivors, perhaps, will demand action
unless there's a last, functioning plasma TV. Then they can watch that, instead...
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:53 AM
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15. In Max Headroom, TVs were provided for everyone-
even homeless people had access to TV. IIRC, it was illegal to turn the TV off.




"Twenty minutes into the future."

Another sci fi movie that reminds me of where we are headed is "The Running Man" with Arnold. The game shows, the reality shows, altered video as news, it's exactly what is happening before our eyes.
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humanahumana Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:05 AM
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2. i suspect the frogs will start jumping out the pot when they have nothing to lose anymore
which sounds like many will begin jumping late this year and they will be followed by a steady stream from there on out if the economy continues to be raped by the global corporate masters.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:08 AM
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3. Welcome To DU, humanahumana !!!
:bounce::toast::bounce:

Glad ta have ya aboard!

:hi:
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humanahumana Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:32 AM
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9. thank you WillyT
it's great to be here, where rational thought is actually a common occurrence... unlike in the M$M :hi:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:37 AM
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10. And when they do, some of them will be the nut bag freeper types with
stock piles of weapons and ammo. That's what concerns me more....not so much massive protests and demonstrations, but the violence from the pea-brains that are already riled and rattled by election of Obama.
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humanahumana Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:41 AM
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12. i hear ya, and that is already occurring, unfortunately but it is bound to get much worse
and i don't see any way out unless obama brings some major change that demonstrates to the people that he is at least on the peoples side during the coming hard times.

considering the folks he has picked to oversee our financial policies and how everything gets so watered down in the end i am not filled with much hope any more, i am sorry to say.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:49 AM
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13. I hear ya, its like screaming at a wall.. However, it is interesting the news
about the Family... It remained so secret for a long time.. and thanks to the affairs or pugs, spotlight focus on this group, their beliefs, and their influence.. perhaps, we will eventually rid ourselves of them. Unfortunately, 2 yrs away may be too long.. perhaps, they will vote better with scrutiny.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:09 AM
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4. It's the Trade Policy Stupid
We can't survive as country if our only exports are Bad Loans

Wall St, and Multinational Corporations have bought off Washington. Globalization, Free Trade are a Myth made up to justify rich Multinational Corps destroying our manufacturing economy so they can profit off cheap Chinese made products
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:16 PM
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17. Paul's an unrepetant free trader. nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:12 AM
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5. Does Paul even see
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 12:13 AM by ProudDad
that the first "Stimulus" went to the wrong people? :shrug:

Of course, it will be a jobless recovery -- working people don't bankroll Congress and the Presidency, the rich do...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:17 AM
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6. I don't think most of the forecasters are taking into account
The effect of state budget cuts into this process. Nor the effect of a bankrupt California. This will destroy any projected GDP growth.

I believe when this process started we all wanted to believe this was something other than what it was...30 years of accumulated bad policy.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:23 AM
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7. Just like Argentina in the 90s - all the money is leaving the country
Then president of Argentina fully embraced Globalization and Free Trade policies and moved his whole country 100% in that direction. The effects where catastrophic.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:26 AM
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8. Fully agree
The sad thing is trying to convince people that free trade is the culprit. I have a friend who was sleeping on the floor of a charitable institution's office for a few weeks who is still a rabid free trader....I gave up after that.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:26 PM
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20. That's exactly it. & look at detroit & other rust belt cities to see what happens
when the money leaves.

i saw it happen in my own town under reagan.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:37 AM
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11. We will all have front row seats to
'Disaster Capitalism'.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:09 AM
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14. Morning Kick !!!
:kick:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:08 PM
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16. Paul Krugman (formerly a happy globalist shill) has little credibility as an economic populist.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:51 PM
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18. If the economy comes to a standstill
the reduced consumption of carbon based fuels will decrease dramatically. It might give us a few more years of wiggle room to reverse Global Warming.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:15 PM
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19. K&R
:kick:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:27 PM
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21. +35 in GD, 0 in GD:P
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 05:27 PM by Lilith Velkor
:rofl:
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