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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:45 AM
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So is Cheney going to be offically charged?
Can he be charged with anything?
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:57 AM
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1. He's already left in his rocket-powered escape pod.
Currently, he and Lynne are relaxing at their secret moon base. Besides, his "pacemaker" is really a micronuke, rigged to blow if it ever comes down to a standoff. Nobody will ever take Cheney alive.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:13 AM
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2. Who's gonna charge him with anything?
And who's going to enforce the warrant if some entity (presumably Congress, as the DoJ obviously has stand down orders... and he's obviously untouchable by any state/county/municipal entity) does charge him?

I'm not convinced that the DoJ would enforce a Congressional Warrant against Cheney... now that the previous administration's precedent hasn't been immediately challenged...

Grin and bear it... the only accountability Cheney will ever possibly face will be from his heart maintenance technician.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:20 AM
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3. No, read here:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:54 AM
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4. Time Is The Avenger...
Right now what do you charge him with? I mean a REAL crime...not a politically-shrouded one like "traitor". We're just starting to see the scum rise to the surface, but the hard evidence isn't fully there...but it is coming out and each revelation shines an even brighter light on these war criminals.

I'm all for a full war crimes inquiry coordinated or led by the World Court as these crimes were on the world, not just the U.S. But the wheels of justice do move slowly...right now there are still too many of his moles and toadies in government and the corporate media that are stonewalling and sheltering him.

There was a reason he and then his despicable daughter were shooting their pie holes off on the teevee. They know a day of revelation, if not reckoning is ahead and put out the word to their operatives to either delay it or squash it. We must continue to press our representatives for accountability and support those who are pushing for investigations.

Yes, there are crimes, but the good stuff is yet to come...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:35 AM
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5. How about a criminal conspiracy to violate FISA?
How about criminal conspiracy to commit assault? (Unusual maybe, but that is what the torture was on one level)

How about conspiracy to lie to Congress?

Review Cheney's documents and you will probably find many more crimes.

And, the penalties for conspiracies are usually the same as the penalties for just plain committing the crime.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:19 AM
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6. How About Isn't Solid Evidence
The smoke is there...the smoking gun isn't. Again...conspiracy is a political, not a criminal charge. It's not up to me to review his crimes...I'm ready to frog march him into the Hague with boooshie and the whole rot. However, this is still a country of laws and a judicial process/system...one that still operates under the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Thus, conspiracy needs to be firmer...either as an accomplice or accessory. We have documents without names...not direct links. The only way to get those is to subpoena these people. Be it through Congressional Investigation, Grand Jury or civil suits, this is where you start...then let the real trail of crimes be uncovered...direct connections, direct orders, direct eveidence and testimony. That way justice is served properly.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:19 AM
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8. "...but I did it for America." Is not any sort of defence.
Cheney, Bush, et al, have all damned themselves and each other on public record and have dones so without the benefit of parliamentary priviledge.

They have admitted to the crimes on public record. And the only defence they have ever offered is: It's not a crime because we said it wasn't. And even if it was, it isn't because we did it for Amurika.

I doubt there is any significant member of the last administration who is not open to prosecution with a slam dunk case on something without having to gather a single shred more evidence, given an honest judge and competent prosecution.

The only reasons not to prosecute are political and probably a fair sized dose of self preservation on the part of the far to many of "our own" up to their necks in their own pecadillos.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:29 PM
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9. Politics vs. The Law...
Again...I want real justice...based on solid evidence and with as little politics as possible. I haven't heard either boooosh or cheney admit to a crime on public record...they've refused to cooperate in most the probes and their testimony was "off the record".

I didn't say not to prosecute...I want it done and done right. Make a case based on the rule of law that is iron-clad and would gaurantee convictions of any and all who led this country to war under false pretenses, lied to Congress, abused power and other war crimes. Damning isn't good enough...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM
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10. We need a serious investigation of the facts, but I believe
that crimes were probably committed. Have you read Jane Mayer's book, The Dark Side?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:22 AM
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7. Now we know why he's disappeared from making all the tv comments the past months
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:27 PM
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11. Cheney is called "The Trillion Dollar Man" thanks to Fraud and US Looting!!!
Chainsaw Cheney, who has the unimaginable sum of a trillion dollars, can purchase people's silence, loyalty (even Congresses).....almost anyone and anything he wants.

Looking into his undoubted ill-gotten gains through Halliburton and possible looting of various areas of US gov't while Vice, would alone put him in Prison, removing the last vestiges of greed and power that he is currently capable of wielding with his $$$ and possible threats of personal and family bodily harm to anyone who would present evidence against him.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:28 PM
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12. DLC won't let that happen.
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